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OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
15 Jul 2014, 18:37
#1
15 Jul 2014, 18:37#1

After the World Cup.


Some very interesting and generous quotes from the veteran player about many things including the rising youth players - seems he well knows he may not make the squad. It is clear there is no "old boys" connection, everyone in the squad knows they have to earn their spot. Meyer has maintained this from day one and it is often repeated by the players themselves.


From front page:


Springbok and Toulon lock Bakkies Botha has revealed that the upcoming season will be his last with the French club and that he plans to retire after next year's World Cup.

Botha recently helped Toulon to win the Top 14 title as well as the Heineken Cup. He was also part of the Toulon team during their 2013 Heineken Cup success.

"I do have the offer to extend my current contract, but I've already made up my mind," Botha told the My Players website.

"This will be my last season as a Toulon player. That will be the end of Bakkies Botha.

"My career has been given a new challenge in France, which is refreshing. I've had the opportunity to train and learn from world-class players, like Jonny Wilkinson, Matt Giteau and Carl Hayman. 

"It's amazing to see their strong work ethic at training. It inspires me to put in hard work.

"Toulon is also a proud rugby city. The players work hard to ensure we bring silverware back to the fans. It's also been great sharing this experience with South African colleagues, like Bryan Habana, Danie Rossouw, Juan Smith and the others (there are seven South Africans in the Toulon squad). 

"Hopefully, we can achieve more success as a club going into my final season."

The 34-year-old also returned to the Springbok Test side last year and caught the eye recently with his physicality on defence and attack during the June internationals. He has also impressed in a mentoring role for the Springboks' younger and less experienced locks.

Botha is keen to retire at next year's World Cup in England.

"If (Springbok head coach) Heyneke Meyer feels that he needs me in the Springbok squad, then I'll be more than happy to be part of the team at the next World Cup," added Botha.

"It's always an honour being part of the Springbok squad. In saying that, I don't want to be in the way of the younger players.

"There are talented young locks in South Africa, like Eben Etzebeth and Lood de Jager, who proved himself against Wales and Scotland. If it's meant to be, it will happen."

Botha was also reunited with long-term lock partner Victor Matfield at Springbok level last month. Matfield has also impressed at Super Rugby and Test levels since coming out of retirement at the start of the season.

"Many people were skeptical when Victor returned to the field at the age of 37, but I knew from day one he was still going to add a lot of value," said Botha.

"There's no substitute for experience.

"It's been great being able to play alongside him too. Everybody thought that the 2011 World Cup was the last of the Victor-Bakkies partnership, but we will continue to give our all to the Springboks when needed.

"We also pass on our experience to the youngsters whenever possible. Yes, it's great to pass on words of congrats to players via social media, like Twitter, but that time we get to spend with them one-on-one is invaluable.

"We teach them things like line-out jumping, scrumming, where to position themselves in different situations and the finer details of the game.

"Heyneke is doing a great job. He's setting great structures in South African rugby. There's a great mix of experience. Seeing young guys like Jan Serfontein and Oupa Mohoje coming through is testament to the work he's putting in behind the scenes. Springbok rugby is very healthy."


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Jul 2014, 18:45
#2
15 Jul 2014, 18:45#2

A true legend of the game

 

Never backed up  an inch......

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jul 2014, 18:50
#3
15 Jul 2014, 18:50#3
 He wants to be playing in the WC - what a farce that would be.  He used to be the greatest lock on the planet - but by last year - when he was given a chance to play for the Springboks in two tests  he produced nothing nearly good enough.
This year he played like a lion in the first ten minutes of the Welsh game and then petered out completely.   Sad to say - but he is way past his sell-by date.
     
OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
15 Jul 2014, 18:58
#4
15 Jul 2014, 18:58#4
 I don't think he could have expressed his desire to be in the WC in a more diplomatic or respectful way:
""If (Springbok head coach) Heyneke Meyer feels that he needs me in the Springbok squad, then I'll be more than happy to be part of the team at the next World Cup," added Botha.
"It's always an honour being part of the Springbok squad. In saying that, I don't want to be in the way of the younger players."

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jul 2014, 19:40
#5
15 Jul 2014, 19:40#5
 Oi-matey
Fine - but I do not think he will be in the squad.
It is something equal to what Kallis said - he wants to be considered for the Cricket WC next year.   But the issue is not what any player would like to see happening - it is what they actually can achieve through performance.  
Boeta Dippenaar recently said something about Kallis - which is very true.  Kallis's reflections went down and the pitches in the sub-continent make it look worse - he failed in the IPL and in the Sri-Lanka series as well.   So now for a series against Zimbabwe and Australia and New Zealand  in Australia in November which will finally determine whether his reflexes are not going to be too slow in all games.
I am afraid that ever since I saw the first rugby tests many years ago - too many players wanted to play past their prime and great as they used to be - damage their reputations in their last few tests.   I t is a wise player or sportsman who knows when to retire with grace.   
   
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
15 Jul 2014, 20:29
#6
15 Jul 2014, 20:29#6
Our stock of number 4 locks is very healthy, so in most like-hood he will be surplus to requirements come 2015 WC.
We have Eztebeth probably better than Bakkies ever was. We have lots of other good players such as Lood, Paul Willemse. 
I would prefer Bakkies to the stupid Flip penalty machine though. Bakkies could maybe cover injuries if it gets out of hand next year. 
But it is really time to hang up Boots and get a farm and make sausages. 
Number 5 lock is a position where their is less depth and more injuries.Stephanie Du Toit spends more time injured and may not have enough experience by next world cup 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jul 2014, 23:57
#7
15 Jul 2014, 23:57#7
Bakkies made a big effort to play for Jakes Barbarians after RWC 07... He maybe tough on the park, but he behaves with honour towards his team. A legend.  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Jul 2014, 13:10
#8
16 Jul 2014, 13:10#8
 
Time to move on.

He's practically got Meyer's dick in his hand with a request to play in the next WC in the other.

We have faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar better 4 locks than this hasbeen.

Like I said ... it's time to move on.


JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
16 Jul 2014, 13:47
#9
16 Jul 2014, 13:47#9
 "It's always an honour being part of the Springbok squad. In saying that, I don't want to be in the way of the younger players."

He obviously feels as though the younger players need game time to develop and he doesn't want to be in the way of that. In retrospect Matfeild relates to what has been said. The young locks that have the potential to really be world class is Etzebeth, Lood de Jager, Stephan Lewies, Ruan Botha and even more that are coming through the ranks, the players mentioned need to be considered first choice locks for the boks especially Etzebeth and Lood De Jager. The experience locks should rather come on off the bench if the intention is to have a team with a balance of youth and experience, we have seen Bakkies and Matfeild start in the june tests, i hope that is not the case in the RC and RWC 15.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Jul 2014, 14:02
#10
16 Jul 2014, 14:02#10
 
Why would he want to then take up a valuable spot, in a limited squad, when all he wants, is to "not be in the way" ... ?

He clearly has plans to play in the WC next year and his ticket is his friendship with this useless coach. 

It's best he stays at home, cause at least there he'll not be in the way.

We need every spot in the WC squad to be filled with quality players, each capable of slotting into the run on team if needed ... not dreamers and useless hasbeens that can no longer contribute to the Bok cause.


 
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
16 Jul 2014, 21:51
#11
16 Jul 2014, 21:51#11
at most the Boks will take 5 locks into the RWC, though more likely 4.

if 5 locks are selected then, then IMO it will be, v matfield, b botha, lady elizabeth, s du toit and lood de jager.
thats a pretty balanced lock stock to take filled with experience and x factor and IMO injury aside the one wer going to see in 2015.

im wondering what bekkers upto at the moment, meyer sort of had a thing for him.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Jul 2014, 22:17
#12
16 Jul 2014, 22:17#12
 Bekker is in the same boat as Johan Glaasen. When the going gets tough, the tough gets injured.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2014, 00:06
#13
17 Jul 2014, 00:06#13
 Then what about Matfield and Steyn  - whose non-physical performances is such that thy would never get injured.  The day Morne Steyn takes contact the sky will turn to yellow - it just does not happen.   Same with Mafield who plays around the fringes and never does the work associated wit locks.
You cannot get injutred if you do not take contact or do the hard yards.   Their going neve r gets tough.     
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2014, 00:47
#14
17 Jul 2014, 00:47#14
 Fok, maar jy kan kak praat. How many more clips of Morne making tackles and taking contact do want to see. Another blatant lie.

Looks like you do not even believe your own favourite "stats" either.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2014, 01:05
#15
17 Jul 2014, 01:05#15
 Morne taking contact happens about once e a year - and then by accident - not intentional at all.   The bugger has been found out by  Stade Francais after one month. But then - they know rugby 0 something you will never be able to comprehend.  
Most key tackles Morne miss in any event - so when can he get injured?  
The most clueless flyhalf in worlld rugby and your single malfunctioning brain cell still try to defend him.  You suffer from that dreaded disease called Shit on the brain - the shit consequently flows like lava from your mouth when you say anything.  Go and see a Shrink - maybe he will send you to an asylum where you can be cared for - you snivelling idiot.  
  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
17 Jul 2014, 02:13
#16
17 Jul 2014, 02:13#16
 And the blatant bullshitting just never stops. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2014, 02:26
#17
17 Jul 2014, 02:26#17
You can't blame the chap, but nobody manages his physical contact as carefully as Goosen.... his best tackle by miles is the one from behind. This guy is an exposed nerve end.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2014, 20:25
#18
17 Jul 2014, 20:25#18

These old farts should have retired from test rugby when they were at the top of their games......limping around the park like a bunch of geriatrics leaves a sour taste.

 

 

Bakkies and Victor were legends, they are now making arses of themselves  

OI
oimateyPro1,870 posts
17 Jul 2014, 20:35
#19
17 Jul 2014, 20:35#19
Makes total sense - these "old" guys should give up lucrative contracts, dreams of representing their country in the World Cup and playing the game they love to play because Meyer doesn't have the cojones as national coach to exclude them from his squad.
Puhleeze



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2014, 11:40
#20
18 Jul 2014, 11:40#20
Oimatey its fool like you and Meyer who think these old farts are better than our youngsters........its going to be a hoot seeing your calls when the wheels fall off  
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