Bargie and Bok teams ...a few interesting points:

Pretty much the same team that drew with the All Blacks, except for the front row. 

I am less optimistic about the Springboks beating the Pumas with that team for the following reasons:-

*   Erasmus apparently  decided that rolling mauls are not the way to go - the selectionn of Mostert proves that.

*   One should start praying Pollard can play 80 minutes - Steyn is a dead loss at flyhalf or center,

*    Hope the rest week results in an improvement in performance o f Vermeulen - he was desperately poor against the AB's

*     Louw is another has been that should not be in the squad - he was almost as bad as Vermeulen was against the AB's

Hope Willemse is back next week - any WC with Steyn around will  be a disaster to start off with,  

Maybe a timely reminder that he needs to play and not fiddle around will help Marx.  Etzebeth needs a similar reminder.   ,     

Etzebeth, Louw, Mostert, Vermeulen - all these guys were very good and involved against the ABs.

There is a segment of pundits who apparently thinks that if a forward doesn't make a bullocking run or two smashing through waves of opponents, he is not doing anything or he has failed. Look deeper for a change, down where the rough stuff happens and see who is there doing the donkey work to secure possession and plugging the holes when things unravel.

I am a Vermeulen fan and although he did some good things in the Allblacks match, he made more than a couple of errors and did not play to his normal high standards. I expect a big improvement by him.

Edit: Am didn't do much wrong, but he wasn't nearly assertive enough...Mapimpi is lucky to get another start.

Pakie

Vermeulen was very good and involved in the AB game - sure h was for the benefit of the  AB's.  His main bugger-up was the donating of the ball to them leading to the Goodhue try - even though you and the other Idiot Speakers tried unsuccessfully  to blame De Allende for scoring of the Goodhue try,  That was not the only ball loss of Vermeulen - there was another knock-on and two penalties given away by him - one of which was converted,  So Vermeulen was good - blaas my siel - he only handed 10 points on a platter to the AB's

As for Louw - he made one possession turnover - bit for the rest not a single ball carry and one tackle made in the13 minutes he was playing.  If that is not substandard for an open-side loosie, what is?

Etzebeth needs to be more involved in games - he needs a wake-up call - that is all I said,.

The complete absence of reasonably successful rolling mauls in Springbok Rugby says it all,  Like the case was with Matfield,  Mostert is turning the Springbok Tight 5 into a Tight 4.  Not physically up to standard.   In any event the line-out organization was a shambles in the AB test - s omething which cause accuracy problems for the hookers,             

I am a Vermeulen fan and although he did some good things in the Allblacks match, he made more than a couple of errors and did not play to his normal high standards.

He didn't make all that many errors, Draad. The possession loss that kicked off the AB try was unfortunate, one of the two penalties he conceded was questioned even by the NZ commentators as Vermeulen was on his feet with full rights to the ball. Players who are in the thick of things (to use the old phrase) all the time will inevitably make an error here and there, especially with the breakdown laws as ambiguous they are.

Pakie

Soft-soaping won't help - if Du Toit made the mistake Vermeulen made - you would write a book about it and Mozart would add two books to it and AO 4.   

Already Mozart and AO blamed De Allende for the try being scored and you add your support for the BS they wrote as per normal   

Nobody can ever trust any performance and incidents descriptions neither of the three of you give on site - it is always twisted in line with your prejudice and that alone makes it garbage writing.      

if Du Toit made the mistake Vermeulen made - you would write a book about it

Actually no, I wouldn't. When have I ever written a book about Steph? My stance on Steph is that he is a solid player, but overhyped in comparison to other players making similarly valuable contributions who hardly get a mention. That's it. I have no other beef with him.

Pakie, a couple is 2 and more than a couple of errors is obviously more than 2. With his amount of involvement in the match and keeping the opposition in mind too, it is certainly forgivable...still odd for the big man, so expect he will be back with a bang.

Mozart

The excuses you thought up about the Goodhue try and the Morne BS kick in 2014 is amazing and show clearly that your idea about rugby is totally twisted,   If Du Toit spilled the ball  like Vermeulen did you would write a book on site blaming only him for the try but because Vermeulen buggered up the try is now the fault of  De Allende and two other players,

Twisted thinking and totally so,  When  spilling of the ball like that occurs the whole backline defense line-up was not in a sound defensive condition and the defense was affectively disrupted - same as happened with Morne's shit penalty kick you blamed the defense against the Aussies.   De Villiers was the 12 in that game - was he to blame as well or was Morne himself - with hios eight tackles made and 7 missed to blame as well?

Keep it up - only you can come up with BS like you did here.  LMAO.  

Dup lication

Mapimpi didn't have his best game, but I still back him as our best wing. Nkosi is much improved this year, but still #4 in the pecking order. I choose Kolbe over Dyantyi. Mapimpi and Kolbe are our smartest and hardest working wings. 

I like the front row. I thought Malherbe was excellent last year, but he was half a tick too slow for almost every ruck. Fatigue? Whatever the reason, Nyakane is the form tighthead. Beast was never out of the equation. 

Damian offers us nothing. Andre is our premier 12, with Frans and Serfontein our only test viable alternatives. J-Raz is selling us very short here on both sides of the ball. 

I don't buy Herschel. 

Steph is okay against certain opponents in certain games. He can be horrifically exposed. An accident waiting to happen... again. 

Kwagga at 6 is a tease. We won't have him there at any point during the WC. The politicians were complaining when Kolisi was subbed, imagine not playing in a WC game? Particularly a big one! I had my doubts about Kwagga but he really did put his hand up throughout the All Black test. 

Heaven help - the Idiot has n ot learnt anything about rugby yet.  Andre - blaas my siel 

Huge difference -  Du Toit is physically stronger and much so,  Du Toit tackles players back 0 Mostert cannot even do that with a scrummie.

How any matches did you watch the Lions play in Mostert's last year?

So lesson no 1000 to you - because of slow intake.  The ball catcher do organize the forming of the maul and thereafter co-ordinate functioning of the maul.  Obviously has to have the strength the stands firm while his supporters form up behind him.  Problem is Mostert is not strong enough physically to initiate the forming of the maul,  Remember France last year when the maul went backwards by meters before Du Toit took over the co-ordination role.  Comprehende????             

Fair assessment by you - impossible.  Anybody that can excuse players who make bugger-ups and invent reasons why everybody but they are responsible for the resultant mess can never be fair, LMAO   

How many genuinely big carries does Steph make per gam e? They tend to be rather slow, and require up to three cleaners to secure. 

His average carrying distance is twice that of Vermeulen and Louw - and your assessment is dim as per normal.   Look at the situation in tests this year:-

Vermeulen  - 10 carries -  19 meters  beating NO defnders

Du Toit       -   9 carries  -  38 meters making 3 lean breaks beating 1 defender

Louw          -   9 carries  -  5 meters beating No defenders

Mostert       -   9 carries -   5 meters beating No defenders,

Idiot - try again - you are too stupid to interpret anything.     

Must I remind you again of the four bugger--ups Vermeulen made in the AB  test? 

We  have the test career runs of Vermeulen - outstanding player before his injury in 2015,  Played no tests in 2016 and 2017/  In  the tests he played in 2018 and his year - bar the first two England tests where he looked like the Vermeulen of old - his performances  were all sub-standard  to average in performance.

Pity - but his present Springbok performances have been questionable.      

Must I remind you again of the four bugger--ups Vermeulen made in the AB  test? 

We  have the test career runs of Vermeulen - outstanding player before his injury in 2015,  Played no tests in 2016 and 2017/  In  the tests he played in 2018 and his year - bar the first two England tests where he looked like the Vermeulen of old - his performances  were all sub-standard  to average in performance.

Pity - but his present Springbok performances have been questionable.      

Steph ranked 28th out of the top 30 South African ball carriers in super rugby, carrying for 1.7 metres per carry. Thor ranked 15th with 3.8 metres per carry. Lets put it this way, Dan du Preez was the most utilised carrier in super rugby, with 211 carries, for 2.7 metres per carry. Thor beat the number one rated carrier this season. You cannot begin to question Thor's effectiveness in relation to Steph any more than you can run whilst standing on your own foot. 

To add insult to injury, Thor was the second best pilfer this season. We need this man in the starting XV. It's non-negotiable. 

The usage of selected stats to prove something I leave to the BSters on site - they specialize in it.