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Becs' Borehampton Stains vs a B-looking Bulls side

Started by Pakie37 REPLIES847 VIEWS· 14 Dec 2025, 17:03
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:03
#1
14 Dec 2025, 17:03#1

Especially the backline. I'm busy with a few things but will keep an eye. Kickoff 17:15 local.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:17
#2
14 Dec 2025, 17:17#2

Vorster dropping that offload like he's never seen a rugby ball coming at him before.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:19
#3
14 Dec 2025, 17:19#3

Nice turnover by Gans on Fin.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:20
#4
14 Dec 2025, 17:20#4

A respectful silence decends as Wolhuter kicks for posts but it helps him none, he shanks it like it's a rival gang member in prison.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:21
#5
14 Dec 2025, 17:21#5

Henry runs over Wolhuter. My stream has got no commentary, nice to hear all the onfield and crowd noises.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:27
#6
14 Dec 2025, 17:27#6

Stains scored while I was away. 7-0

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 17:28
#7
14 Dec 2025, 17:28#7

Williams almost in off a stray bounce but the dead ball area wins.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:15
#8
14 Dec 2025, 18:15#8

Watching the second half.

Wake up Bulls. If you need inspiration think of the Mighty Stormers!!!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:19
#9
14 Dec 2025, 18:19#9

Not much fire from Bulls.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:19
#10
14 Dec 2025, 18:19#10

Best thing about this game is Hollie's accent. Not enough to keep me sticking around though.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:25
#11
14 Dec 2025, 18:25#11

Bulls let in a try.

Score 21-5 to Northants.

What a hapless lot.

Wake up you plonkers!!!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:28
#12
14 Dec 2025, 18:28#12

Northants try disallowed.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:35
#13
14 Dec 2025, 18:35#13

Bulls get a yellow. Stupid.


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:38
#14
14 Dec 2025, 18:38#14

Saints score. The rout continues.

Saints lead 28 - 5.

Bulls are pathetic.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Dec 2025, 18:40
#15
14 Dec 2025, 18:40#15

Saints score again under the posts.

This is a disgrace.

Good luck Bulls I am out of here.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Dec 2025, 20:37
#16
14 Dec 2025, 20:37#16

This result was a mationmal disgrace. - 50-5. I think some real housecleaning is ncessary, The following needs to go:-


Le Roux, Vorster, Serfontein and Coetzee to start with,


Th Bulls culture change is a;spp necessary - a ru gby playin g squad comprise of 23 players operating as a TEAM - not of 23 individuals,


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Dec 2025, 20:43
#17
14 Dec 2025, 20:43#17

"The truth, sadly, is that the best South African players cannot play across both hemispheres all year round without the occasional break. And until that fiendish circle is even vaguely squared, their participation in northern hemisphere club tournaments will continue to create as many problems as it solves.

The format of the competition also has to take its share of the blame. Bulls have already lost to Bordeaux at home but a single bonus point win at home to Bristol next month followed by a losing bonus point in Pau may conceivably be enough to squeeze them into the last 16. On that basis why would middle-ranking sides necessarily bust a gut in the pool stages if they are not overly focused on securing home advantage in the knockout phase?"

Robert Kitson


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Dec 2025, 21:09
#18
14 Dec 2025, 21:09#18

One reminder Jake White took the same books to the final.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Dec 2025, 22:22
#19
14 Dec 2025, 22:22#19

Mozart


What books?


Con't think White will write a Book on coaching needs and requirements are concerned,


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Dec 2025, 23:19
#20
14 Dec 2025, 23:19#20

You haven’t read White’s book on non algorithmic strategy?

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Dec 2025, 00:23
#21
15 Dec 2025, 00:23#21

Oh no Uncle, Jake White took the same Bools, meaning players, to the finals:) Books was a spelling error or not?


I see Kade Wolhuter is playing for the Bulls now. I have always thought he is a really good Flyhalf.


Also Elrigh Louw started. He is back after his long lay-off. Cameron Hanekom is almost ready to start playing again, I read.


Dobbo should make a mission bringing Cameron home to the stormers, where he belongs.

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becsPro4,378 posts
15 Dec 2025, 01:29
#22
15 Dec 2025, 01:29#22

Well I was obviously quite pleased with the result !

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Dec 2025, 01:45
#23
15 Dec 2025, 01:45#23

Congrats Becs. A dominant display.

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becsPro4,378 posts
15 Dec 2025, 02:11
#24
15 Dec 2025, 02:11#24

Thank you, Mpower.


We made a lot of mistakes again though.

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XaviPro1,924 posts
15 Dec 2025, 10:46
#25
15 Dec 2025, 10:46#25

I don't get what the hype was around Kade. He looked average to bad this weekend. Bit of a shocker to be fair.


Elrigh Louw looks like he was never gone. I'd have him over BJD in the running for PSDT job.


6.Hanekom, 7.Louw, 8.Wiese.

Fire.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Dec 2025, 13:55
#26
15 Dec 2025, 13:55#26

Kade has been plagued by injury. But there has been glimpses of his talent at Flyhalf.


In the past, as soon as he starts to settle down, he usually got injured again.


I hope this time around he can build up some continuity at Flyhalf and let his real game shine.


Happy for Elrigh and yes a combo with him, Hanekom and Wiese, will be strong.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2025, 14:59
#27
15 Dec 2025, 14:59#27

Mozart


You seems to be mixws up totally as per normal. This comment was on a Champions Cup series not the URC serie White sabotaged the Bulls teams playing in teh C hampionship C ap tournament and they were last on the log,


The Bulls wasa a seriously flwed team in the three finals in the URC the got into and they lost all hree finals never looking potential winners.


As is normal with White h blamed the players for losing the final this year abd the day before the final he said there was no way the Bulls could win in the final'


Tha means he broke the ooaching isupport sta ff abd theyw ould not even sit in the coaching box with him. He caused a player rvol;t as happned in the case of the Sharks in 2014 and he was fored as athe Bulls coach, A vain and selfpraised man - he hought he was so good he could not paise himsel highly enough - who was toxic when it comes to rugby coaching,




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2025, 16:32
#28
15 Dec 2025, 16:32#28

You forgot to add that his coaching of the Sharks in 2014 doomed them in the URC in 2025.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Dec 2025, 19:38
#29
15 Dec 2025, 19:38#29

I still has White's Book amd when reading it was all about White - how he had to struggle to remain in charge of the S prin gboks in 2006/ How he ap[ealed o Mbeki to intervene on h is behalf - extremely dangerous since it opened s a cess-pool of politcal inteference in sport.


A ccordin g to Smit the 2007 RWC squad had no game plans and no coaching to sharpen the abilities in matchs, It came out in Stanger, Montpellier and the Bulls that white has some conduct that cause players to dislike and disrespect him - and hat his conduct woth Assistant coaches cased them m not t play nay real role.


Except th 2004 Three-nations - won on Point Difference and the 2007 when White had the luck of a poxdoctor - with the not facing a team ranked higher than the Springboks - he wonm that trophyas we;;. For the rest he coached a string of oher franchises and club teams that won no trophies.




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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Dec 2025, 20:14
#30
15 Dec 2025, 20:14#30

But most franchises improved after he took over and declined after he left. So far the Bools are no exception,

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Dec 2025, 07:56
#31
16 Dec 2025, 07:56#31

Partly because White has one peculiar talent and that is destroying team spirit and rebuilding is difficult - especiallyw hen t comes to contracting of players, his successors ineritd from him/


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2025, 17:11
#32
16 Dec 2025, 17:11#32

Actually when unpopular leaders leave there is pretty much an immediate surge in team spirit….so bullshit…try again.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Dec 2025, 20:46
#33
16 Dec 2025, 20:46#33

Bulls were fucking pathetic, especially the backs


vd Mecht for Saints was a non entity

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Dec 2025, 20:53
#34
16 Dec 2025, 20:53#34

No need to - only idiots would not realize when team spririt was destroyed and no game plans used it takes time to rebuld the team. That applies to both attacks and defense, When there are no game plans at all - it takes time to get players trained to deal with implementtion becaue players must effecively be retrained to fit into execution of such plans,


Besides the above - it also destroy the careers of players/





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Dec 2025, 22:51
#35
16 Dec 2025, 22:51#35

Getting to the URC finals destroyed nothing for the Bools players….it lifted their careers. Look at Nortje for example. The current display has nothing to do with nasty old Jake, stop talking utter rubbish Saaiman.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Dec 2025, 09:06
#36
17 Dec 2025, 09:06#36

Mozart


You missed t he point totally. First f all the issue relates to a Champions Cup match/ White disregarded the said series b sending B Tams to play in the matches,


How manys eries trophies ahs teams coached by White won since 2008. The teams coached by White gets to semi=final and even final stag es and then self-destructed. Not by bein g defeated - but losing by big numbers. It applied to the Bulls in 2014 in Super Rugby and in the case of the URC since 2021 in the finals. of the URC.


I use to be a supporter of White as a coach and evven have a bok signed by him Denny sent to me. However his escapades wirh the Sharks showed up why he destroyed his image and cause a player rebellion. I happened in the Bulls team as well.


No real gam plans and then blame everybody else because of that Whte deficiency, There are scores of players since 2008 that has no kind word to say about White. The damgae he caused to teams a a result takes a long time to overcome. In the end the fact is that White sef-destructed and blames everyone for failure bar himself.


White was effectively suffer from 4 effective firings as a result.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Dec 2025, 17:09
#37
17 Dec 2025, 17:09#37

You missed the point….teams do better after Jake arrives, they do worse when he leaves

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Dec 2025, 17:33
#38
17 Dec 2025, 17:33#38

By the time White left he has destroyed the teams already, He would not be fired 4 times for exactly the same reasons if what you claim is true. Your claim is superfcial and without any real proof. The reasons for his firing were always the same - no match planning and destroying the teams from within. Firing him once for the same reasons may be excused - firing him four teams showed what the real problem was Jake White.


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