@der aristokrat,
regardless of us not agreeing, i am enjoying the debate, especially as ur arguments have a lot of subtance (unlike ur No1 fan ben10). FYI im a very big fan of SA and Springboks rugby, i watch the currie cup and all saffa teams as well as NZ teams in the spXV religously and im often defending ur clubs on NZ sites which like saru.com, are chock filled with one eyed supporters. IMO the RWC is a joke, a tournament that comes around once every 4 years, but gives it winner the title of world champion which goes unchallenged for the next 4 years. the IRB No1 ranking which the All Blacks have held for almost 80% of the time since its inception, is a far more accurate account as top who is the world champion, cos it takes into account EVERY single rugby test match.
im also a believer that theres no shame in the All Blacks losing to the Boks or the wallabies, even with whitewashes like in 2009, it has happened before and it will happen again. it dosent mean i like it, but i have mad respect for our TriNat brothers (not the aussie spXV clubs though) and thats why i rate beating the Boks in south africa as the ultimate scalp, IMO its better then beating the aussies anywhere and better then winning the RWC.
if i also came across that i dont rate jake white, then that was not my intent. im just saying that henry is a better coach then white. u say im bleating stats without taking them into context, but the reality is, u can look at the stats upsidedown, sideways or standing on ur head, but they still wont change. an aussie commentator said it best when talking about robbie deans, u can take all the good work and solid foundations that the coach has built with the team, but its the results in which u are u judged by.
BTW, what stats on jake white exactly did i take out of context??? cos ur so called blunders on henry (which i will address) were sadly mistaken, but before i do let me quickly address ur other issues.
those utube links, ive seen them all before, icluding the ones on poc0ck and brussow, but that does nothing to educate me on IRB being biased, at best it shows the incompoetence of the referees and nothing else. IRB has two saffas on its board, as do NZ and other main players of rugby, the point is, the evidence while overwhelming on poor reffing (which no one needed to see in rolaind case) it shows ZERO about IRB involvment, so save the davinci code theories for ur countrymen where its all the rave, cos i deal in hard evidence and not he said she said.
also, i take it by ur no comment on mitchell vs eloff, u agree with me???
so called henry blunders,,,
2004 - 81.8%
henrys debut year started with two tests against RWC champions england, where they were smashed 36-3 in the first test and 36-12 in the second (FYI white lost his firs two against england).
yes we lost the TriNats that year and the Boks were deserved winners, but as we both know, the series finished with all three countries winning all their home games, as for that win in the last minute, errrrrrr should i apologise for that??? considering the Boks scored three tries to one, u could also argue that the Boks were at fault for not putting the All blacks away.
2005 - 91.7%
the weakest British lions team??? u sound like a kiwi with that much conviction seeing as how NZ have won 76.3% of their matches with the lions while the Boks have only won 50%. i remeber UK media hyping the lions up to be the strongest ever and blamed mangemnet for the unsuccessful tour to NZ.
but i will humor u mr aristokrat, lest say that was the weakest lions team ever in history (LMAO), how exactly is that henrys blunder???
and cmon bro, pretorius was injured and u lost a good kicking option, that is all part of the rough and tumble package that comes with rugby. tell u what u should though, u should start a petition where teams are only to play other teams if all their players are injury free, and if any player should get injured during the game, it is immediatley stopped, untill that player/s is deemed injury free, lol. and again, pretorius injury another henry blunder???
2007 - 83.3%
i take it that ur convinced that henry didnt blunder in the TriNats??? especially as we beat u in both tests, including the All Blacks 33-6 complete and utter domination of the Boks in the last test.
but ur right, henry did blunder with team selections and i mentioned that earlier when i was repoding to ben10. there was also playing carter injured which IMO is just stupid as it leaves the door open to the exact thing that happened in that quater finals. all this was on henrys head, but a poor RWC from start to finish??? get ur facts straight, we faced italy, portugal, romania and scotland and ran them off the park accumulating total points of 302 for vs 35 against.
2008 - 86.7%
u didnt mention anything, but just wanted to say that the All Blacks beat the Boks in newlands 19-0, 4th time that the All Blacks have held them scoreless and the first time any country has done it on SA soil.
2009 - 71.4%
while it was definately henrys worst year, his 71.4% was still better then whites 3 of his 4 years. wasnt a big fan of the way the All Blacks instent need to run and morne and FDP masterfully controlled that game, it was also pierre , spies best perofrmance ever IMO and i remeber screaming at the TV for someone to tackle him lol.
but while that was henrys worst TriNats outing, he didnt let it wear him down and we progressed on the end of year tour with conviction, unlike the Boks who lost to saracens, leicester (o_O WTF???) france and ireland, while the All Blacks won all their EOYT test matches.
2011 - 83.3%
could u be any more wrong??? the reason we lost the TriNats was simple, henry prioritised the RWC over the TriNats. after the spXV the crusdaers who have the lions share of the All Blacks, were all deemed to have been worn out after a long laboirius season which saw them play no home games due to the earthquake. hence henry and co making the desicion that crusaders and key All Black players would not be travelling to SA to play the Boks. this team was missing, owen franks, richie McCaw, kerean read, dan carter, brad thorn, conrad smith, maa nonu.
this was the blunder on henry and prioritising the RWC and not giving each test the respect it deserves is what cost us, cos IMO our full strength team would have beaten the Boks in PE. my only reasoning is that henry thought even if we lost to the Boks, we could still win it in australia aginst the wallabies, but the wallabies played the first half of that test as if their live depeneded on it and put the All Blacks on the backfoot, we came back to dominate the second half, but the damage was already done, and im not talking about the wallabies first half, im talking about not sending the A team to south africa to lock the TriNats up once and for all.
the reality is, most coaches would kill for stats like these, despite the unsubstantiated claims of blunders. yes henru made mistakes, he is human after all, but his mistakes are outweighed by his success in such a manner, that ur blunder argument is on the verge of a rant. but to best sum it up i will steal and modify a line from u, ur take on henry is a joke.
