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Best Players in the Springbok Team in 2018

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2018, 18:19
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27 Nov 2018, 18:19#1

The following from News24:-


"There were several others worthy of “honourable mentions” along the 14-Test way, but in the end I found it a relatively straightforward task to pinpoint a three-strong podium for the premier Springbok players of 2018.

Indeed, even establishing the final pecking order for the trio didn’t prove too hard ... at least as I viewed things.

A far from unimportant common thread, too, was that all three started matches extremely consistently - as good a sign as any? - during the up-and-down season which nevertheless provided enough shafts of light for a competitive RWC 2019 by the Boks.

Here is the selection:

GOLD: Pieter-Steph du Toit

Then an especially utility-value squad member, Stormers-based Du Toit began the 2018 Test campaign in a relative no man’s land: leading an essentially “reserve” combo - and from lock - in the controversial, watered-down international against Wales in Washington DC while most of Rassie Erasmus’s intended elite troops rested up for the first home Test against England a week later.

But the unassuming man from the Swartland did get to appear on the park in the Johannesburg heart-stopper (won 42-39), replacing Jean-Luc du Preez at blindside flank in the 50th minute ... and never really looked back from there.

The No 7 jersey pretty much became his sparkling home, even if his versatility still saw him posted in the second row from time to time as needs arose through injury and other considerations there.

Du Toit, 26, uniquely featured in every single 2018 Test, starting 12 and with eight of those on the side of the scrum, where he may well have been the year’s premier blind-sider worldwide for routine visibility and sometimes quite jaw-dropping graft-rate.

He made a truckload of crunching tackles in his adopted slot ... including as many as 28, according to at least one stats barometer, in the famous Wellington triumph over New Zealand, where his post-match tears (caught on camera) said so much about his combination of elation and utter exhaustion.

Du Toit was also terrific in the champagne-calibre Loftus follow-up against the world champions, a sure sign of his huge development in the flank role.

He deliberately slimmed down by a few kilograms during 2018 to add greater pace to his game - evidenced in some inspired track-backs when the Boks were under siege – and should look an even more complete figure at seven as his re-education, if you like, continues in 2019.

SILVER: Aphiwe Dyantyi

The sleek left wing had already demonstrated pleasing, regular effervescence in the Lions’ Super Rugby campaign, where they were losing finalists for the third time in a row.

But we still couldn’t be certain what to expect in his elevation to international rugby: he earned his maiden cap (then still aged 23) at No 11 against England at his home ground of Emirates Airline Park - an 81-point rollercoaster the Boks sneaked from a seriously iffy (3-24 once) start.

Dyantyi was caught out in a defensive-alignment sense - though so were others - during England’s early blitz, and truth be told it was a hallmark that never went completely away in his case as the season continued; expect vigorous remedial work for “World Cup year”.

But the Lions man, very importantly, lacks nothing in purely courage- or commitment-related terms on defence, including a pleasing willingness to put his body on the line in contestation for aerial ball whether going forward or backwards, so gremlins are likely to disappear with some rapidity as his Test journey advances into 2019.

The positives, however, enormously outweighed the drawbacks in his maiden green-and-gold campaign ... and would have been instrumental in his ascension a few days ago to World Rugby “Breakthrough Player of the Year”.

Even in that remarkable first clash with England, Dyantyi had demonstrated his composure (and reluctance to become unnerved by early trauma) by showing his offensive potency - sometimes from the tightest of spaces.

Apart from getting on the game’s busy try sheet himself in the 64th minute, he had made a deft inside pass for one of wing ally S’bu Nkosi’s brace of dot-downs.

As elusive and wickedly angle-changing as any wide raider on display in the 2018 Test year, Dyantyi went on to register six tries his 13 Tests: a sprightly start-out strike rate on the long road toward attempting to emulate legendary Bryan Habana (67 from 124 Tests) as a prolific-scoring Bok left wing ...

BRONZE: Handre Pollard

Somehow Pollard seems such a stalwart of Springbok rugby, and first-class rugby in general.

But consider that he is still only 24, raising the very feasible possibility that his best-vintage years may even lie ahead.

Now the holder of 39 Bok caps, 2018 turned out to be his most prolific calendar year in Test appearance terms: he earned 13, beating off the 11 amassed in the last World Cup year (2015).

That in itself said plenty about how he made the key flyhalf berth his own for the lion’s share of Erasmus’s first year as the national team’s mastermind.

Yes, there were two games where he was limited to the splinters, though one was the dead-rubber Newlands Test against England when the coach debatably decided to see Elton Jantjies’s wet-weather game ... in fairness, not that player’s favourite environment.

But in broadest terms, Pollard was a bastion of reliability at No 10, appearing to recapture much of the confidence and game-managing potential that had made him such an excitedly-used name by pundits and enthusiasts at then-IRB Junior World Championship level for (a rare) three years.

While it is true that the Boks often looked too sterile in backline play as a whole this year, I would argue that this was very seldom something you could place specifically at the door of the pivot.

He tended, personally, to generate promising go-forward with his willingness to attack the gain line as a sturdy and often fearless physical specimen, kicked with increasing authority and smartness out of hand, and his place-kicking also gained in accuracy as the year developed.

The big turnaround, I thought, came after the two Argentina games in the Rugby Championship, when the Bulls-based player had underwhelmed: from then onward, he became an increasingly rejuvenated presence in virtually all capacities.

Pollard certainly had a memorable European tour at season’s end, being largely at ease in all four matches - and especially influential in the back-to-back victories over France and Scotland.

He is, into the bargain, an inviting option for inside centre, where he looked accomplished whenever Jantjies was summoned to the flyhalf role as a second-half substitute and the pair dovetailed with eye-catching seamlessness."


Houwing - the reporter who wrote the above must be investigated immediately  for being mentally-deficient.   How can Mozart and AO be wrong - there massive rugby knowledge leads to their constant attacks on Du Toit and they want to have him out of the team - how the hell can  Houwing give him the gold medal for the top performer of the Springbiok team in 2018.


One would lik e to have a joke on site in this dour time of the year - so Mozart and AO give us your players for the three medals please     

 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2018, 18:37
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27 Nov 2018, 18:37#2

No t a fan of Howling Houwing, but he's probably on the money.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Nov 2018, 19:07
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27 Nov 2018, 19:07#3
I think Houwing is in love with Stephanie.....his reporting on the lad has been effusive. I think the slimmer Stephanie really does it for him......no mention of the season long 1.6 metres a carry or average 10 runs between tackle busts, or no offloads since the Wellington test.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:05
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27 Nov 2018, 20:05#4

"became his sparkling home"

I think Houwing will trade his own mother for a bag of adjectives, regardless of their quality or relevance.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:08
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27 Nov 2018, 20:08#5

But he made more tackles than anybody else and made more breakdown turnovers than Louw and took more opposition balls in line-outs than any other player.

Mozart - you are mostly nit-picking - who of the other forwards made a higher average in meters gained than Du Toit?   Definitely not Mostert.   Snyman had an excellent game in his first test - making 53 meters from 8 carries.    In the other ten tests combined he made 34 meters from 28 carries,      So be objective for a change.    

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:09
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27 Nov 2018, 20:09#6

Pakie

The same questions I asked of Mozart and tell me who are better amongst the forwards?   Please do not even mention your favourites Louw and Vermeulen.  

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:24
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27 Nov 2018, 20:24#7
Pieter-Steph by a country mile.
You'd have to be very stupid or very biased to disagree.
Most disappointing . . . Malcolm Marx. He h ad a great Rugby Championships but a poor November tour.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:40
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27 Nov 2018, 20:40#8

Agreed Rooi, I (we all) expected much greater things from Marx.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:49
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27 Nov 2018, 20:49#9

I might go for Faf purely based on the RC. I didn't see much of the end of year tour (saw most of the French game, bits of the others). Circumstances weren't such that I could watch all the games so I'll have to give them a proper view before I can make any calls on the whole season.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:53
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27 Nov 2018, 20:53#10
Faf, Pollard, Marx, Willie, Mostert, Stephanie .....in that order. Most intriguing unexplored idea....Thomas back at loosehead.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:57
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27 Nov 2018, 20:57#11

Pollard is coming of age...getting more solid by the day with glimpses of flair regularly shining through. 

Faf was the spark against New Zealand. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Nov 2018, 20:58
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27 Nov 2018, 20:58#12

Thomas at 3 seems to be trending.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
27 Nov 2018, 21:54
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27 Nov 2018, 21:54#13

No Eben? 

How many games did he miss? 

4(is my probably incorrect guess).

Surely the world's best lock should at least get an honorable mention for all his graft?

No? 

Guys in his prime after all.


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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
27 Nov 2018, 22:09
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27 Nov 2018, 22:09#14

Hey, Thomas is certainly a very positive trend. Who is the kingpin (i.e. real strong man) in the bench frontrow of Vincent Koch, Bongi Mbonambi and Thomas du Toit when they sub Louw/Malherbe, Marx and Kitshoff? The sub front row does all too often better than the starting frontrow.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2018, 00:24
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28 Nov 2018, 00:24#15

What a  funny collection of BS from Mozart and co.  Misrepre sentation is the name of the game when it comes to them,  


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
28 Nov 2018, 01:31
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28 Nov 2018, 01:31#16

To be the best you'd have to have the fewest flaws. Faf and Steph have been key Boks, both have a lot of errors on tape. Pollard, Willie, Mostert, Marx are others. For me, nobody looked entirely dominant all season. Every one of these players have had poor games. Mostert was nowhere in the second Puma test, the away Aussie test. Steph was poor in the second Puma test, the away Aussie test and had a poor first half against New Zealand. Marx has been poor at lineout time and looked tired mid-season. Pollard grew as the season progressed. He was arguably our best player on tour. I'd have to have a look at all the players before I determine the best. Right now, I can poke holes in all of them. Some of the most lauded have the largest collection of lapses. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2018, 06:14
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28 Nov 2018, 06:14#17

The funny part is the attack by Mozart, AO and Pakie si on their normal standard BS attacks on Du Toit. Pakie at least was honest enough that he saw only one test nearly in full and the highlight packages on all others if his words is taken on what he actually said. 

According to the greatest BSter on sight - the dishonourable AO - he has a full list of lapses - but his hero Snyman had none,  One cannot trust AO on anything he write s on site.       

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
28 Nov 2018, 07:23
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28 Nov 2018, 07:23#18

Where have I attacked Du Toit, Mike?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2018, 07:50
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28 Nov 2018, 07:50#19

Just read what Mozart writes in his attacks on Du Toit and then agreeing with him is an attack in itself.  Use that bit of logic for a change.    

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Nov 2018, 08:04
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28 Nov 2018, 08:04#20

It's taken an age to realize that Thomas the Tank is not a tighthead. It really is very worrying when the supposed experts of the game can't see this right off.

It goes to show that one should never discount the wisdom of the beer belly sitting in his lounge watching the game. Some know he game well ... and then there's morons like Poepies who doesn't know his arse from his elbow. 

What's your take on this, Mike? I know you were a big fan of him at 3.

Beast should have been replaced ages ago. There are a number of top looseheads to select from ... Tank Du Toit will do I guess.

Pieter Steff Du Toit is undoubtedly our best forward and has been for a few seasons now ... even when selected out of position. A class act.

Faff and Willie are by no means in the same league as Pieter Steff Du Toit and I guess that's why they didn't make the list. They are there because we have no better.

Pollard has matured and is playing some fine rugby. Finally. He should be left at 10 permanently. 

   


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
28 Nov 2018, 08:15
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28 Nov 2018, 08:15#21

Notice this Pakie, the critics have to lie to attack us. I have been attacking Steph all season? Louw is my "favourite"? He had no poor games or errors? I think Mohoje is better than McCaw? I think Kirchner is the best fullback in the world. They have to create an extreme narrative to make us look unreasonable, because in an adult debate, they'd be flattened. They have been, all season long. 

What did I say last weekend? I wasn't impressed with Snyman before he went off. I rated him lowly in another game on tour. Conveniently ignored. I rated Louw lowly in three consecutive tests mid-season, saying he'd have a hard time getting back into the team and needed a big game to dispell doubts. Conveniently ignored. The one with a hero worship mentality is the one who cannot acknowledge there have been problems with their favourite players. Who labeled Steph "greatest ever Bok" after the Aussie win? There, that's your cultic sect right there.

All that I have said has been verified in all forms of evidence. If there is a "biggest liar" there has to be only one candidate: Mike. He is caught in lies every day. That isn't even an exaggeration. He saves his most extreme lies for when he is exposed.

I have been apparently campaigning against Steph all season:

RSA vs ARG

Marx was another powerful weapon. So too Whitely and Steph. Steph (8).

NZL vs RSA

Honorable Mentions: Steph grew into the game, he made some great stops and contributed to that emotional energy which lifted the Boks in the face of adversity. There were errors, but he made so great contributions. Without those errors he may have been my MOM. As it stands, he was a key Bok. That first half is what counts against him. Definitely a tale if two halves. 

Dishonorable Mentions: Steph's was totally out of his depth in the first half. Beaten every which way on defence and never popping up for anything positive. He did redeem himself with a big 20 minute period in the second half. I didn't notice much wrong in the second. I grade his first half a 5.5, his second a 7.5.

Final rating of 7.0

RSA vs AUS

Steph (8.5): Initially had a couple of those blown coverages rushing out the line, but I didn't see that again for the remainder of the game. Very physical from beginning to end. Continual hassled and pressured the Wallabies and carried very strongly. Appears to be growing into the blindside flank position. Clearly the most influential player on the field. 

RSA vs NZL

Du Toit (6.0): Was very quiet in the first half. He sprang to life in the second and was very prominent in the last 20 minutes as he tried to hold the game together. Lots of energy and good carries. He did concede a needless penalty though. Some costly errors which overshadow his positive contributions.

ENG vs RSA

Steph (7.5): I saw no errors of any description. His rushes out the line were accurate and increased in intensity as the game progressed. Strong as a carrier. One of our primary carriers, if not our primary carrier. 

FRA vs RSA

Steph (5.5): I was disappointed in the sheer volume of errors from Steph. Had he not made as many positive contributions I'd have rated him lower. I probably ought to irregardless. Some of the same issues I've been identifying throughout the season.

RSA vs SCO

Steph (6.0) 

WAL vs RSA

Steph (5.5): Steph started more brightly, but faded more and more as the game progressed. Lacked nothing for effort, but he was being knocked back, lost several balls in contact, conceded penalties and was generally inaccurate and subdued.


Oh the humanity of it all! Such a campaign against Golden Boy. Or is it Yeled Zahav. 

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
28 Nov 2018, 08:18
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28 Nov 2018, 08:18#22

Hey DeepThroat ... how you doing?


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bluebokPro3,977 posts
28 Nov 2018, 08:25
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28 Nov 2018, 08:25#23
Plum, Eben may have been the best lock in the world before, but he certainly was not the best lock in the world this year. He had a couple of decent games, but many more where his presence on the field was almost unnoticeable. 
On Marx. I think he was overplayed this year. Also, the expectation on his shoulders was just too much. He is just a man, but with his breakout season he came across as being super human, and ultimately that is how he tried to play this year. Now that the hype surrounding him has settled a bit, I reckon we'll soon see him back to his best. 
As for Dyantyi getting silver. I don't think that is fair. He was fantastic early in the year, but almost invisible for the end of year tour. Much like Marx. The standard for the one should be the standard for the other. 
I like Faf, and he is the ultimate x-factor player, but he did have a couple of very poor games for the Boks. He is a match winner on his own, but he also cost us massively when he got things wrong. He is that type of player, but that does not change the fact that he did not perform consistently well. Players with X-factor and flair, like Habana, still manage to perform consistently, and that flair cannot be used as an excuse for rubbish performances. 
A final mention for Mostert. Probably no t worthy of being in the top three, but still one of the unsung hero's of the 2018 Bok campaign. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
28 Nov 2018, 08:32
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28 Nov 2018, 08:32#24

Blue, Faf sums up many of our best Boks, they make great contributions but brought many problems too. Faf was one of our 2 top try assists, and pressured the opposition into errors until the EOYT. He had many errors in every game. His passing improved markedly, but his kicking was patchy in all but two tests. It's his intangibles that make him a key Bok, his ability to create from seemingly nothing and inhibit the opposition.

For me, when selecting a best Bok of the season, I look for who was able to inhibit the opposition the most. André was one who was able to change the way the opposition played, Faf was another. If I was pressed to choose a Bok, it would probably be Faf. When he plays well it lifts the Boks and makes every aspect of our game more effective. Our best games of the season often had Faf leading the way. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
28 Nov 2018, 08:41
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28 Nov 2018, 08:41#25
Faf de Klerk's tactical kicking let him down, Malcolm Marx's lineout throwing was poor, Handre Pollard dies with the ball too often instead of passing or looking for the offload, Aphiwe Dyantyi missed a few tackles and his November form was average while Pieter-Steph du Toit missed the odd tackle and coughed one or two balls up . . . but those 5 players can keep on making those kinds of errors and they will still be the first 5 names on my team sheet because they are warriors who play with heart, passion and courage.
That's pretty much all I really want to see in a Springbok. You can have all the talent in the world but if you don't have the gees then you should not be wearing the green and gold. Those 5 players I mentioned have big hearts as well as wonderful talent.
Edit: Franco Mostert isn't blessed with the same natural talent as those other 5 but he's just as committed and until his position is challenged by a more skilful player who also plays with the same fire in his belly, he's also a starter in my team. Any time.
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
28 Nov 2018, 09:38
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28 Nov 2018, 09:38#26
Aug, I agree with you regarding Faf. I really do like him. The thing is, his flair and unpredictability cannot discount him from doing the basics properly. In other words, things like his box kicks have nothing to do with his flair, they simply have to be accurate at international level. Fix the basics, and we have a world beater. 
Rooiters, nicely put, pretty much agree with everything you h ave said. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2018, 14:05
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28 Nov 2018, 14:05#27

My only problem with Faf is his very real discipline problems.   I think most are due to rather reckless charges at all and sundry.   He should rather think before he does.

But one must never damper a players enthusiasm in playing the game - so maybe penalties will result.   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
28 Nov 2018, 14:58
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28 Nov 2018, 14:58#28

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
28 Nov 2018, 15:09
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28 Nov 2018, 15:09#29

I think most are due to rather reckless charges at all and sundry.

Not something De Klerk does all that much. There was a dubious chargedown attempt against France, I can't remember too many other instances this season. I'd venture that most of his penalties would be for offside since he tends to push the limits in that regard.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Nov 2018, 15:38
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28 Nov 2018, 15:38#30

Pakie

There were two matches in which De Klerk was  penalized three times in each test and  that makes for a problem.  He was perhaps over-enthusiastic in games - hence my comments on it.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
29 Nov 2018, 08:21
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29 Nov 2018, 08:21#31

Faf was penalised 11 times this year. 

  1. RSA vs ENG (2) (G2) 
  2. RSA vs ENG (3) (G3) 
  3. ARG vs RSA (1)
  4. NZL vs RSA (2)
  5. RSA vs AUS (2)
  6. FRA vs RSA (1)
Once again, Mike is wrong. Could this be an ulterior motive? Sacré bleu! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Nov 2018, 10:53
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29 Nov 2018, 10:53#32

AO

Conveniently left out the following tests: =

England - 2nd June test    =   2

               - 3rd June test    =   3

Aus vs RSA                      =   3

Faf played in 10 tests giving away 14 penalties  - not really acceptable.

I pleaded and pleaded with you how many times to  make sure of your facts before publishing BS on site.   Will you NEVER learn???????

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Nov 2018, 09:41
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30 Nov 2018, 09:41#33

AO

Nice try at updating your original post - you added the June tests against England to your list. 

However, the away test against Australia was not yet included.   Try again please.   

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
30 Nov 2018, 10:25
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30 Nov 2018, 10:25#34
14, yes.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Nov 2018, 10:59
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30 Nov 2018, 10:59#35

Pakie

Don't  you think it is a bit too many?.   I am particularly worried about the  case where Faf gave away three penalties each in  two games.,                                                                                        

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
30 Nov 2018, 11:40
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30 Nov 2018, 11:40#36

Probably, Mike. At least 4 of those 6 were for offside at the scrum/ruck, I haven't checked the rest yet.  So he'll need to work on being more accurate in that area because those are pretty soft penalties.

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
30 Nov 2018, 13:43
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30 Nov 2018, 13:43#37
What worries me about Faf way more than penalties is his lack of consistency with Box kicks. Playing on the edge as he does, will lead to penalties from time to time, that I can live with, but executing box kicks for example has nothing to do with playing on the edge of the fine line between legal and illegal. Box kicks are an elementary function of the scrum half. Some of the basic functions of a scrumhalf are his weakest attributes as a player. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Nov 2018, 14:36
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30 Nov 2018, 14:36#38

BB

Was there anybody making better box kicks than Faf in the squad?  I do not think so.   However, there are way too many box kicks made in the tests under Erasmus.   It should never be a regular - it should be a variation.     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Nov 2018, 14:36
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30 Nov 2018, 14:36#39

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30 Nov 2018, 14:36
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