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Best possible news for the AB

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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
14 Sept 2014, 14:22
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14 Sept 2014, 14:22#1

Forwards to be reinforced, but depth is apparent

James Mortimer     14 Sep 2014     Getty Images


All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has said that the fact his team is able to lose players and still perform is a testament to culture and the overall system, and having three key forwards back for selection will only create a pleasant headache.

Liam MessamJerome Kaino and Sam Whitelock are all likely to board the plane for Argentina.

“They have recovered very well,” Hansen said.

“There's been some great work done by the medical staff. Having this bye week has come at a nice time for us. It tells us we've got real depth. It seems to be working reasonably seamlessly.

“People go in, people come out. That's a reflection on the culture of the group that the leaders are driving.”

The All Blacks will name a 30 man squad for their matches in South America and the Republic with few surprises.
Ma'a Nonu will be the notable exception.
Bay of Plenty hooker Nathan Harris or Otago rake Liam Coltman have been earmarked to make their debuts for New Zealand.

This is due to Dane Coles wife expecting.

With the still to be revealed new hooker likely to be the only debutant, it would make this player All Black number 1135.


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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
14 Sept 2014, 14:22
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14 Sept 2014, 14:22#2
 Messam, Kaino and, specially Whitelock were all missed yesterday so very good news for the remaining of the RC.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
14 Sept 2014, 14:27
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14 Sept 2014, 14:27#3
 That of Dane Coles is not so good.
Hope he could play against the boks but it would depend on nature (or when his child will be ready to come).
Starting Mealamu and Harris or Coltman on the bench is not the best scenario to face the boks
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Sept 2014, 14:29
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14 Sept 2014, 14:29#4
We need another hooker badly, Kevin is not up to starting & he has lost confidence. 
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Sept 2014, 15:01
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14 Sept 2014, 15:01#5
 Get that blimmin' obstetrician off the golf course and on speed dial !Coles has come on well hasnt he ?
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
14 Sept 2014, 15:10
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14 Sept 2014, 15:10#6
  yeah, JW, I also think that Mealamu is no more up to starting. If he does so the AB could easily suffer at scrums and surely at lineouts.
The problem is that both H arris and Coltman have zero experience at test level and very little at SR. They are not even starting regularly at ITM cup this season.
Harris didn't play the last game against Auckland (may be he's injured) and come from the bench the previous. Coltman started the last against Hawkes Bay but come from the bench the previous.

Another option is Robinson. I wouldn't mind starting him ahead of the youngs but I don't think that the coach staff will be very enthusiast about making him debut at 31 yo

The Canterbury hooker Code Taylor is doing a great job this season. I don't know what happened to him during the SR, he played very little time. Probably he was injured. He's a very complete hooker, good at lineouts (better than Funell), good ball carrier (2 tries already this season) and good also tackling and at breakdowns (here probably Funell is better)
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
14 Sept 2014, 15:27
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14 Sept 2014, 15:27#7
 Tricky situation for expecting father Dane Coles

RICHARD KNOWLER



Hooker Dane Coles nervously told All Blacks Management he needed leave at a crucial time in play.

This was one ruckus Dane Coles wanted to avoid.

Although chuffed partner Sarah was pregnant with their first child, Coles couldn't help worrying about how All Blacks coach Steve Hansen would react to his hooker swapping scrums for a birthing unit at such a crucial point of the Rugby Championship.

From a rugby perspective Coles concedes the timing is hardly ideal; the baby is due in the first week of October, coinciding with the blockbuster test against the Springboks in Johannesburg and at a time when the All Blacks are short of experienced hookers.

Yet there is only one place he wants to be on October 5 and it isn't on a rugby field surrounded by 62,000 screaming South African rugby fans at Ellis Park.

''I was a bit scared, to be honest, about how they would react,'' Coles said when asked how he broke the news to the All Blacks management.

''I told Shandy (manager Darren Shand) and he talked to the coaches and they all said 'that is fine'.''

Forwards coach Mike Cron even offered an innovative solution; by tapping into his computer he joked Coles could remain with the squad and offer support to his partner from a distance.

''I think Cronno said 'hasn't he heard of Skype?' so there was a little laugh there,'' Coles added.

''But they have been really good. I think most of them are fathers and know how important it is to be there.''

The plan is for Coles to play Argentina at La Plata on September 27 and then fly back to New Zealand, leaving Keven Mealamu and Bay of Plenty's Nathan Harris to prepare for the test in Jo'burg.

This leaves Hansen to fondle the worry beads as he urges Mealamu not to put his troublesome calves under too much stress.

If Mealamu keels over the inexperienced Harris will be pitched into the Ellis Park furnace against Bismarck du Plessis and another player, possibly Otago's Liam Coltman, will need to be recruited from New Zealand.

This scenario once again highlights the need for Hansen to build depth at hooker because Mealamu, 35, is no certainty for next year's World Cup and Andrew Hore (retired from professional sport) and Corey Flynn (signed with French club Toulouse) are unavailable.

Last month Conrad Smith withdrew from the Wallabies test in Sydney, returning to Wellington to support his wife who was expecting their first child.

The disruption caused by going on baby-watch during a World Cup campaign was not lost on Coles.

''If I have another one, there will be a bit of planning,'' he conceded.

Engaging the respected Argentinean scrum at Napier's McLean Park on Saturday night seems to be a much less complicated affair.

''They gave the Africans a bit of a touch-up. They will scrum from anywhere and keep the ball in from like our 22m or their 22m just to milk that penalty.

''Even their loosies are pushing like front rowers. We have just to change our mindset that it is going to take an eight to really take them up front.''

- Stuff


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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
14 Sept 2014, 15:31
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14 Sept 2014, 15:31#8
 seems that is quite closed that Harris and Coltman will be the choosen
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Sept 2014, 15:44
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14 Sept 2014, 15:44#9
 This is why Ged Robinson should at least get a look in !
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
14 Sept 2014, 15:58
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14 Sept 2014, 15:58#10
 Ged seems to have authority issues Wardad. I believe he has moved to Canterbury because of his fallout with Jamie Joseph at the Highlanders (not that he is the only one with authority issues in the ABs squad - maybe that is a fallout from playing rugby in The West Island of NZ)
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Sept 2014, 16:27
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14 Sept 2014, 16:27#11
To us fans the weakness at hooker seems like a glaring oversight by the coaches but they must have been preparing Harris & Coltman as part of the squad - surely. 
They know Kev has injury concerns & I am not sure if he can go 60 minutes any more against the Argies or the Boks. They must have known Coles' partner was due in September/October. 
Harris & Coltman don't have experience at test level & practising in the squad is no guarantee of test level performance. 
Glad the starters (Whitelock, Messam, Kaino) will be back as that will add the starch we need to the forwards.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
14 Sept 2014, 16:28
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14 Sept 2014, 16:28#12
 He didnt seem to get the game time he deserved at the Landers did he ?
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