CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 06:32#2
Jerome
Nice try - but there are a few changes that would be made. Those include an undertaking by Coetzee that De Allende will play at 13 for the Stormers. Am afraid that Kebble will be on the bench to replace the no 1 prop and that Malherbe and Cilliers would be the no 3 props. What about Jean de Villiers and Schalk Burger? And then there is also Kitshoff coming back from injury.
In the 7's game Senatla is a certainty - is he the same for the 15 man game? Not so sure - both Van Wyk and Howards seems to be better. Could be wrong here though.
Barring injuries - the Stormer has a nice squad to select from. Plenty of cover for each position.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2014, 08:09#3
There are some places up for grabs but here is mine:
Kitshofff (One of the best work rates of any prop in SA)
Liebenberg (If fit still in the top bracket of SA hookers. Otherwise Bongi)Malherbe ( The best tighthead in the country)
(Reserves, Kebble, Vermaak, Cilliers and Harris - if not leaving. Hookers Bongi and Scurra )
Ruan Botha and Etzebeth
(Reserves are Jean Kleyn, Elstadt and Steenkamp?)
Carr, Vermuelen and Schalk Burger. (Schalk Bruger should make the number 7 Bok jersey his own again. Any idea he cant play for 80 minutes is absurd as his stamina is legendary)Reserves, Rhodes, Elstadt, Notshe and possibly Kolisi if he improves.
Scrumhalf Chelsin Kolbe (Reserves Groom, Schreuder)
Flyhalf Coleman/Cat ( Difficult choice)
Centers Jean and Allende(reserves Howard, De Jongh, Taute)
Wings - Number one wing is van wyk. Other wing Senatal/Howard
(I have concerns about Senatla especially after saturday but we shall have to see. De Jongh coud be tried on the wing as could Kolbe)
Fullback Kolbe or Taute if Kolbe doesnt move to scrummie.
There are lots of possibilitiesSo in summary:
Kitshoff, Liebenberg/Bongi, MalherbeBotha & EtzebethCarr Vermulen and BurgerGroom (They will most likely blunder re Kolbe at scrummie)Coleman (He gets his backs moving abit better and is a greater attacking threat. In knock out play go for Cat)
Jean & Allende
Van Wyk, Senatla and Kolbe.
If Senatla struggles bring on Howard
If Jean is not going well Howard.
The fact is that Coetzee really needs to get rotation going so all these players should get a decent run in the Super 16. Form will decide who is going to make it. Injuries will no doubt happen etc. What is apparent is that the Stormers will have a very useful squad and barring bent down under refs and injuries should do very well.
I have a concern re Coetzee's ability to see the wood from the trees but I saw the hand of Smal beefing up the pack against the Bulle. (Rhodes and Elstadt at loose forward). had that not happened the bulle would have overrun us and won the game.
Smal needs to oversee matters and we should get more things right. Much better balance now in WP play and this will hugely benefit the Stormers.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 09:38#4
Beeno
If fDe Villiers is not playing Taute may come into the reckoning at 12. he was quite good in that position.
I did not want to get roasted - but I think Senatla is a top 7's player - but m hesitant abpout him in the 15 man gme. He may develop - but will he? Agree with you about Van Wyk though.
De Jongh as too many problems in defense (he was the secoid worse defender at ceter in Super 15 this year) and it may even be worse on the wing. I would rather have a physically stronger wing and the answer could be Howard.
If I have to select a Stormers backline it would be s follows:-
15 Taute, 14 Van Wyk, 13 De Allende, 12 De Villiers, 11 Howard, 19 Catrakillis/ Coleman, 9 Groom.
I would rather have Kolbe, Coleman/Catrakillis and De Jongh on the bench. The Stormers backline was always lightweight and it counted againstthem in the past - there defense out wide suffered as a result.
Just one question - does Coetzee have a free hand in selections - what is the role of Gert Saml in the background then?
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Oct 2014, 09:46#5
Have no clue as to what Smals exact role is. But obviously he and Coetzee must be in close communication.
Until proven that they cant cut it I would start out with Senatla and Kolbe. Your backline has a lot of pace and is strong and will be huge on defence as well.
We will have to see how Senatla and Kolbe go against strong opposition. I fully agree too many small backline players spells disaster. Groom, Coleman and Kolbe could be more than enough.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 14:04#8
Jerome
I have a problem - we are in desperate in need of a 13 and I think Meyer has put his mind on it that it woud be De Allende. Coetzee indicated that he has given Meyer an undertaking that De Allende will be played at 13 to give him time to grow into that position.
I am not sure about Howard at 12 though - but he may be the right choice.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 14:04#9
Saffex
So De Allende does not fit into you backline for the Stormers?
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 14:14#10
Yeah I'd have to play him at 12 although I'd rather have him at 13.....but there is no 12 at WP other than Jean and its time to move on from him
JEJeromeV
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20 Oct 2014, 15:03#11
Saffex
Rubbish you're preferences in players are far more irrational. Most of the players you have on the bench should in fact be starting.
These are the substitute players you named:
*Michael Rhodes (A quality loose forward who occasionally plays out a lock, his speciality is strong ball carrying and is decent in lineouts, overall he is for useful than Ruan Botha at lock.
*Patrick Howard ( Definitely one of the best backline players to come out the province and has been talked about frequently as a potential bok player in the future, he's got good strength and pace, he breaks the line quite often. Why leave him out?
*Nizaam Carr ( Awarded WP Player of the year and has been promising year in and year out for WP and Stormers, he is a integral part of the forwards, a crucial first choice player. Why leave him out?
* Bongi Mbonambi ( The new transfer this year is a very versatile hooker, Mbonambi is faster and stronger than Scarra Ntubeni from what I've seen and does all the basics well from what a hooker is required to do.)
If anything it shows you're lack of knowledge on the Stormers players, you would have to be have one stupid brain to not select the players I've named above who you regard as substitute players. You don't understand the value of the players and what they can do. Get real!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2014, 16:22#12
Dave has a problem with de Jongh, Kolbe, Carr, Aplon, Alistair Vermaak etc. The prejudice is obvious.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 17:09#13
Moffie de Jongh is useless........have I not got Kolbe in my side you racist prick?
SHSharky54
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SHSharky54Club Pro247 posts
20 Oct 2014, 20:38#16
Every player has their shortcomings. With the rampant, mobile Lions forwards the reason you cant have a 70kg fullback might well become painfully apparent this coming weekend. Sort of similar to how the Sharks monstered Kolbe last year.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2014, 20:56#17
Or Kolbe and Senatla could shred them....both scenarios are plausible. Personally I think we will be lucky to dodge the Lions superiority at scrum time and in the loosies.
SHSharky54
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SHSharky54Club Pro247 posts
20 Oct 2014, 21:05#18
Lets face it - the 'little' guys are going to get smashed occasionally but if we put stigma aside the evaluate the facts, it probably doesn't happen as often as what hype would like to suggest.
With Gio Aplon I started to get legitimately worried about him with the amount of times he was getting knocked out on the field at one stage. I am not sure being a quivering mass in a wheelchair at 50 years old is worth it.
Put it this way - it might not be as easy or happen as frequently that a smaller player gets dominated as suggested but it certainly can be said that it is a little more dangerous for them on a rugby field.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Oct 2014, 21:13#19
Mozart
I went through all your postings and came up with nothing - why not show some rugby knowledge for a change and give us your team.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:02#20
Moffie Kolbe would never make my test side. I was talking the Stormer you stupid moron
Wake up old man
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:23#21
I got you Dave....of course he doesn't meet your criteria. OOm to be honest I have no idea what the team should be. It's not a pressing issue at this stage, we have a CC final a new Bok squad and a YE tour which are more top of mind. But if pressed I hope we can sell Taute back up north, that seems like a good plan.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Oct 2014, 23:25#22
Moffie be a sport and grow up. I can play that pathetic racial game to - move on
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Oct 2014, 00:37#24
Moffie you could not win anything against me and that's a FACT.
It's not me who sat there telling me how much you hated black people.
One of us is lying.....Given your history in the lying department on this board I'm guessing it's easy to work out who the low life is
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Oct 2014, 01:33#25
What history...give me one case Dave (3/10)
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Oct 2014, 03:08#26
Still - no suggested team from Mozart - What a flop he is insofar as rugby issues are concerned.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Oct 2014, 03:41#27
Perhaps you should predict less and choose less teams OOm....that way you wouldn't be on the defensive all the time.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Oct 2014, 10:42#28
And you should show some rugby knowledge and be less offensive as to what others think and say on this site and reduce the personal attacks by you.
JEJeromeV
Club Pro492 posts
21 Oct 2014, 18:33#29
Saffex
You couldn't answer the simple questions, why leave out the players you consider bench players particularly Patrick Howard and Nizaam Carr? I stated a brief segment of why the 4 players should start and why they are superior to the others but you can't reply why they are not.
I am no expert as far as props are concerned I must admit. I am a fan of Steven Kitshoff of course, he'd be in my starting XV if he wasn't injured although I am curious to know how Alistair Vermaak would perform in Super Rugby.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2014, 00:53#31
Jerome
I like Michael Rhodes as a player - like him a lot. But is he not one who too often gets into trouble with penalties and yellow cards? That may ultinately count against him.
JEJeromeV
Club Pro492 posts
22 Oct 2014, 06:11#32
Mike
It's true however its all part of the experience playing rugby, players overcome certain obstacles and learn from mistakes which Rhodes has done. The player has matured this season and is promising. The 2 videos links I posted above shows how effective he really is in different aspects of the game, Ball carrying, Defence and Lineout Takes.
Back to the Cheslin Kolbe discussion - He has been the best fullback by a mile in the Currie Cup this year, the player is such a compete fullback that is good under pressure. The doubters are putting in the weight card saying he's too small for Super Rugby but it has been proven that players don't need to be 100kg's in order to be effective, Tim nanai Williams is around the same weight and has become well known at the Chiefs, having said that I think his weight is fine, body physique and strength is fine also. I'm sure he'll do well in Super Rugby.
You obviously are one of the doubters that prefer Taute over Kolbe as seen in this thread. Taute is way behind Kolbe in terms of abilities, in attacking, defence, tactical kicking and other aspects. Can you elaborate more into detail as to why Taute is more preferable?? I don't understand.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2014, 07:24#33
Jerome
From what I have seen Taute played better at 12 than he did at full back. I have no problem wi Kolbe at full back - but he may have problems in Super 15 in view of his size. He is likely to eb their first choice full back in any event.
Kolbe on his own may not be a problem - but adding in two other small players - Senatla and De Jongh - could have real defensive problems in the backline.
