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Big Flip to face the music (Red card level offence?)

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
29 Sept 2013, 13:12
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29 Sept 2013, 13:12#1

Springbok lock Flip van der Merwe has been cited for alleged foul play during the victory over the Wallabies at Newlands on Saturday.

Van der Merwe is alleged to have contravened Law 10.4 (a) Punching or Striking when he made contact with Australian winger Joe Tomane in the 39th minute of the match in Cape Town.

The referee for the match, Jerome Garces, issued a Yellow Card for the incident.

Upon further review of the match footage the Citing Commissioner deemed in hi s opinion the incident had met the Red Card threshold for foul play.

The citing is to be considered in the first instance by SANZAR Duty Judicial Officer Nigel Hampton.

All SANZAR disciplinary matters are in the first instance referred to a Duty Judicial Officer hearing to provide the option of expediting the judicial process.

For a matter to be dispensed with at this hearing, the person appearing must plead guilty and accept the penalty offered by the DJO.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Sept 2013, 14:00
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29 Sept 2013, 14:00#2

Flip is always a liability in any game - his discipline is very poor at the best of times.   He is in competition with Nonu and Retallick in the yellow and red card race.  LOL

 

No loss - maybe Meyer would benefit fro him getting a ban - that would force him to change the present dysfunctional lock situation

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
29 Sept 2013, 15:49
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29 Sept 2013, 15:49#3
 I hear they will also be looking at Dr Jannie's eye gouge on Moore as well. I didn't realise he was an Opthalmologist. Maybe he was just upholding his Hypocritic oath to do no harm, although I hope he has a licence for (not so) private practise. Moore will probably be invoiced at a later date. I also wonder if Bismarck is employed to (knock out) anaesthetise his patients before he treats them in their family practise.
Hakwa as usual asking the hard questions that people think but dare not speak.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
29 Sept 2013, 17:17
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29 Sept 2013, 17:17#4
 The eye gouge was way worse,he had time to think about it ,walk over ,wait for the opportunity then reach over and rake his eyes .If you get caught doing that your career should be done there and then as there is no defence or justification especially the way this was done .It disgusts me on so many levels but people still seem to think its ok or should be left on the field ,uhh no its got nothing to do with playing good hard rugby ,its just utter filth.Would like to see him interviewed and asked about it after viewing the replay and see what he says .
BU
BuzzClub Pro175 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:01
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29 Sept 2013, 19:01#5
All off the ball issues really should be cut out. Aus also tried hard to instigate their own level as well. Flip deserves a ban. But then again we have seen pretty shoddy after game citings and dealings. MaNonu should have seen more of the inside of a citing commission room for his repeated shoulder charges, but as Hansen has pointed out, he only does it because he carries a shoulder injury. Flip Van De merwe has let the Boks down, Jannie needs a break to get his head together and maNonu needs to get that injury sorted out. poor petal !  
Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:08
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29 Sept 2013, 19:08#6
 Question:

What was the difference between Bismarcks elbow to the neck and Flips elbow?
Much of the same to me.... yet Bissie didn't get a red card for what he did.
Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:11
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29 Sept 2013, 19:11#7
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Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:15
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29 Sept 2013, 19:15#8
duplicate. my bad.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:16
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29 Sept 2013, 19:16#9

 Excellent question flash dakota.

Highlighting the inconsistensies in the process and showing how some sweet talking South African on the SANZAR board has influenced the result regarding Bismarks blatant elbow to the throat of Messam.

 I demand an immediate investigation as there is obviously corruption being exposed here at the highest level.

BU
BuzzClub Pro175 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:22
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29 Sept 2013, 19:22#10
It was a habit they picked up off Liam Messam. 
Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:23
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29 Sept 2013, 19:23#11
 Brycy...
Agree on 1 point, disagree on another...

  1. 1Agree = Inconsistencies need to be sorted out (globally, not just SANZAR). I agree that an amount of corruption seems to be present at the moment.
  2. Disagree = I don't think either offenses deserved red. From a mutual standpoint, in my opinion, I really don't think malicious intent was the aim. Punish them with a 1 match suspension at most, but don't send them off during a game.

I would only send off, for repeated infringements of a similar nature, or if there is absolutely no doubt that the intent was to hurt or injure.

Im really not a fan of sending off. I'd much rather suspend players for a match, a month or a year (depending on severity of the incident), but why rob the general public, both teams and the supporters, who have paid thousands of bucks to watch the game, of an equal contest.

Just my opinion, I am open to debate (but not insulted) if you disagree.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:36
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29 Sept 2013, 19:36#12

 Greylings was the first one, Bismarks the second then VanDerMerve showing that this is how rugby players are taught to play in the South Africa.

 

The school curriculum looks something like this -

 

 

 Period one  :Stomping

 

 Period Two : Biting and Hair Pulling

 

 Morning break

 

 

  Period three: Head butting

 

  Period four :  Dirty Elbow strike 

  Lunch

 

 

  Period five: Eye gouging

 

  Period six: Shoulder charge with minimum use of arms

 

 

  Homework - Practice those innocent looks to use on    the referee..

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:51
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29 Sept 2013, 19:51#13
 Greyling's incident was a joke. That deserved in my opinion, a year or 2 out of the game with 0 pay.
Only intent there was to hurt.
He should have got a jail term for that.


Non the less.
If u keen to debate the issue regarding the other 2 , I'm all open.

Shot
Flash
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Sept 2013, 19:59
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29 Sept 2013, 19:59#14

 Yeah well when you're making any assesment it has to be made on multiple indicators.

How many elbows does it take before SA acknowledges they are serial offenders ?

 

Yet all we here is that they are victims and we hear stuff like the referee cost them the game instead of admitting there is a discipline problem they look for someone to blame.

Pathetic really.

 

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 20:13
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29 Sept 2013, 20:13#15
 If you look at the Boks since Heyneke Meyer took over, the only real idiot was Greyling...

ANd Meyer went public in saying that he won't tolerate crap like that. To his credit, we have never seen Greyling in the Bok squad again.

There is a real and well documented effort by Meyer, where is doing his best to clean up any off the ball nonsense.

Due to the nature of the game, there will always be some touch and go incidents, which need to be looked at and treated appropriately.

But to look at it from a neutral standpoint, there has been a big improvement of the Boks.

If you look at the SXV on the whole, I think the off the ball stuff has been pretty equal all round.

Brycy, do u live in SA or in NZ? Or somewhere else? Just asking.


BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Sept 2013, 20:25
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29 Sept 2013, 20:25#16

I'm here at the centre of the rugby universe in South Auckland home to the famous Ranfurly shield. Also home to Super XV Champions the Mighty Chiefs . 

 

 This is from where rugby lessons are handed out to the whole world .

Even European Champions Toulon want us to provide them with a rugby lesson next year and we are more than happy to oblige.

 

 

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 20:40
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29 Sept 2013, 20:40#17
 LOL
Difficult to argue with that statement.

Now also ppears to also be home to the worst ref in RWC history.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Sept 2013, 20:54
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29 Sept 2013, 20:54#18

 Nah mate Andre Watson takes the cake from where i'm sitting most recently anyway.

...But there are a few other yarpies that are also in contention if you remember the ABs 1976 tour of SA and the tours before they introduced neutral refs to the game.

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro805 posts
29 Sept 2013, 21:31
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29 Sept 2013, 21:31#19
Didnt know the AB's played SA in a 1976 RWC?

read previous comment closely my friend.

Regarding Watto, I'm not saying he was fabulous...
But at least he blew more hot than cold.


BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Sept 2013, 21:39
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29 Sept 2013, 21:39#20
 Why cherry pick world cups when there is so much more history between us that you choose to ignore. That's SA Blinkers Syndrome you got i think.
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
29 Sept 2013, 22:08
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29 Sept 2013, 22:08#21
Just like Andrew Hore's punch on the Welsh player last year? Wow, typical hypocrisy by a Kiwi, get you heads out of your arse and realise this is a contact sport.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Sept 2013, 22:13
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29 Sept 2013, 22:13#22
Bismarcks elbow was a yellow, just like Flip. But because he already had a yellow it became a red....the problem was the first yellow  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 00:05
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30 Sept 2013, 00:05#23
Brycy is it a full moon in kiwi land - I am imaging ou brycy sitting on a dustbin some where and baying at the moon. The oak is on meltdown mode.Seldom has one seen such drama queens as wee mcaaw and messam.   Nonu is the guy who should be banned - a serial dirty player. 
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Sept 2013, 00:09
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30 Sept 2013, 00:09#24
 Children, school is over for the day . Now run along and don't annoy the teacher.
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Sept 2013, 00:38
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30 Sept 2013, 00:38#25
 and practise your homework
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
30 Sept 2013, 05:32
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30 Sept 2013, 05:32#26

If it was red card offence WHY wasn't it issued on game day????????? The only advantage now goes to the nefarious cheating kiwis............... No wonder the kiwis jumping up and down about this.... Nonu should have gotten 8weeks for a lifting tackle this year and copped 3 - absolute disgrace and as much as Flip was a dog for the elbow to the jaw - no justice if hes cited v AIGs......

 

Anyway heard a good one this morning re Kiwi sailors:

 

Why do Kiwi sailors make the best lovers?

 

Because they stay on top for two weeks and still come second!!

 

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
30 Sept 2013, 05:36
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30 Sept 2013, 05:36#27
 Heres one I just made up .What do you call a bunch of wallies supporters standing on XXXX hill ?A thicket !
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Sept 2013, 05:47
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30 Sept 2013, 05:47#28

 Redsman thats quite flattering , it shows kiwis are great lovers with unparalleled stamina.

 

Not very good at this are you?

 

 

 

How about this one : Why did the Redsman cross the road ?

 

 

 

Coz he could'nt get his dick out of the chicken....

 

 

 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
30 Sept 2013, 05:53
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30 Sept 2013, 05:53#29

 As the Citing Commissioner said, "It's a red card offence".

So that's 2 games running the Boks have got off with a yellow when a red was the correct punishment! What's going on here? I smell a rat and a distinct favouring of the Boks by the whimpy refs!!

When will all this bias towards the Boks stop and the rest of the rugby world get a fair go I ask??????

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
30 Sept 2013, 05:55
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30 Sept 2013, 05:55#30
A kiwi cheater comes clean.



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