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Bigger than Ben Hur, Steve Hansen's touring All Blacks building for better things; by MARC HINTON

Started by Just_win13 REPLIES717 VIEWS· 08 Nov 2017, 13:48
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Nov 2017, 13:48
#1
08 Nov 2017, 13:48#1

The joke doing the rounds in the All Blacks right now is you don't want to be last on the bus, or to the buffet line. You might just miss out on a seat or, worse, your dinner.

 

But it's only half said in jest. Right now, in Paris on leg two of a four-week jaunt north, Steve Hansen has assembled what is surely the largest ever All Blacks touring party. Now that Canterbury skipper Luke Whitelock has been seconded from Baabaas duty to cover for the crocked Jerome Kaino (PCL), on top of his five previously determined team-mates from the invitation side, the group numbers 43.

 

At Tuesday training, as the players (minus the ill Liam Squire), coaches, medical staff and management poured into the suburban Parisian ground, it seemed as busy as the infamous Arc de Triomphe roundabout. With about as much room to manoeuvre as well.

 

Remember back when we used to mock England for the unwieldy size of their touring squads? Well, the All Blacks have joined those ranks. And they don't care what anyone says. There is method to their madness, and it is principally about building the deepest, most experienced squad possible for their tilt at a third straight World Cup triumph, and generating the revenue required to fund the retention of all those fabulous players.

Firstly the 43 players Hansen has in France this week is almost certainly a record. By way of comparison, the 1924-25 Invincibles, who played 32 matches between September of 1924 and February of 1925 on a tour of the United Kingdom, France, Ireland and Canada (and won all of 'em) had 29; and the 1996 Incomparables, who won the first ever series in South Africa on a tour that featured four tests and four midweek matches, had 36.

 

Hansen has added the extra players essentially to protect his test squad of 23 whom he wanted to keep as free as possible - with one or two exceptions - to focus on the three tests. Some even flew over late after some extra home time. There has been a seriously thought-out plan put together aimed at allowing these troops to do their team, themselves and their country justice at a time of the year that can feel like the last 5k of a marathon.

 

To the three mandated tests, NZ Rugby has added the tour-opening fixture against the Barbarians at Twickenham and next Tuesday's clash against a French XV in Lyon.

If you listen to Hansen, that's all about allowing younger, less experienced, potential 2019 World Cup players to experience top rugby in the best learning environment on the rugby planet. It's a sound rationale.

 

But there's another element not exactly shouted from the rooftops. The two fixtures in London and Lyon are also tipped to swell NZR's coffers by up to $5 million.

 

That's money desperately needed by HQ, not only to retain players in the face of unprecedented competition from the UK, France, Ireland and Japan; but also to pay the bloated wage bill of Hansen's squad.

 

In France alone NZR will have to dish out $322,5000 just to pay the base weekly salaries of the 43 assembled players. Bonuses, match payments and other costs will swell that figure further. Multiply that by four (weeks on tour), and you have a fair idea why those additional matches become so important.

 

All Blacks assistant coach Ian Foster said there were positives and negatives of having an enlarged squad. Staff were challenged, logistics stretched and individual teaching became difficult. But having dual XVs with reserves on the sideline allowed much more effective training.

 

"And there's plenty of energy round the squad. There are scraps to see who sits where on the bus ... they're fighting for every bit of food and every seat they can get. That has brought energy to the squad at a good time. We've got to make sure we don't get distracted by the size and stay focused on one task which is the test match."

 

Added experienced flanker Sam Cane: "The biggest difference is trying to find seats on the bus. The younger boys don't want to tread too far back. We've got a big bus and she's pretty much all full up."

 

The last word goes to the man who twisted the arm of his boss to approve this touring juggernaut. "What we're trying to do is grow some depth, and we're doing that," says Hansen. "I know for a fact we'll end up with some quality people and have a good group to select from in 2019.

 

"The extra games suited us this time because it gives that second group two opportunities which is gold because they're getting more experience."

 

In this case Hansen is betting that bigger really is better. And that the payoff will come in 2019.

 

 - Stuff

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Nov 2017, 13:51
#2
08 Nov 2017, 13:51#2
 Everything Hansen is doing points to his priority is the RWC. In other years it seems it was sort of more equal, i.e. winning all games + winning the RWC. Now because we have lost McCaw, etc. the priority has clearly shifted to rebuilding for the RWC and being prepared to take losses to do so. 
No doubt we will hear the likes of Beeno and CC bleating on about the ABs slipping etc. but it's either this or the "peaked too soon"nonsense. Ah, it's tough being at the top, you guys ought to try it sometime.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2017, 13:55
#3
08 Nov 2017, 13:55#3
We did for 65 years.
KM
Ka MateClub Pro246 posts
08 Nov 2017, 14:04
#4
08 Nov 2017, 14:04#4
Would be interested to know how you arrived at 65 years. ABs played the Boks for the 1st time in 1921 and it was even stevens up to 1937 when you beat us. Your lot beat us again in 1949 but from 1956 onwards we've had the wood on you. I make your time at the top from 1937 to 1949. That's 12 years, not 65 and there was a world war during those 12 years.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2017, 14:33
#5
08 Nov 2017, 14:33#5
Before WW2 we won the decisive series in 38. After WW2 we won in 49, 60, 70 and 76. How does that translate to having the ‘wood’ on us? You won at home in 56, 65 and 81.......the latter in a desperate last game 25 to 22, a series in which we outscored you 55 to 51 and where demonstrators hounded our team.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2017, 14:33
#6
08 Nov 2017, 14:33#6
Before WW2 we won the decisive series in 38. After WW2 we won in 49, 60, 70 and 76. How does that translate to having the ‘wood’ on us? You won at home in 56, 65 and 81.......the latter in a desperate last game 25 to 22, a series in which we outscored you 55 to 51 and where demonstrators hounded our team.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Nov 2017, 15:21
#7
08 Nov 2017, 15:21#7
 They blame the home refs.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Nov 2017, 15:25
#8
08 Nov 2017, 15:25#8
 Yes, the more charitable posters among us would generously say the Boks had the odd good year (not counting the Ref Assisted Wins "(RAWS") but 65 years? That's more likely the age of the players Mozart would select for the Boks
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Nov 2017, 17:04
#9
08 Nov 2017, 17:04#9
Well maye be it’s 75 years.....that’s how long it took the ABs to win a series in South Africa.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Nov 2017, 18:10
#10
08 Nov 2017, 18:10#10


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Nov 2017, 13:23
#11
10 Nov 2017, 13:23#11
The deep dive from Kiwi fans!
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Nov 2017, 15:05
#12
10 Nov 2017, 15:05#12
 I suppose they Googled a bit and saw we were much better opponents than they thought at first.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 Nov 2017, 15:48
#13
10 Nov 2017, 15:48#13
 Mozart, sadly there are very few kiwi fans left.
I commend the coping skills of the SA posters, the present is too much to deal with so they retreat to the past and an active imagination can result in "65 years of dominance" by the Boks. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Nov 2017, 15:51
#14
10 Nov 2017, 15:51#14
Well I’m just trying to get to the NZ ‘present’, which seems to be circa 1985.
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