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Bok future brighter than many think

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2017, 07:32
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04 Dec 2017, 07:32#1

Well it cant get much worse of course. But there are some positives. As I mentioned Coetzee, whilst out of his depth has been unfortunate in some of his results. Also the forward pack will be very good. Wee CC will not be happy about this article and ditto that closet ab supporter rooitwitterbug! Hey rooitwit where are you when one needs a good laugh! Your good pal Beeno is missing your eh "Contributions"!


Regardless of who their official head coach will be, the challenge facing the Springboks in 2018 will be to get the backline and all-round tactical appreciation of the game up to the same standards as a forward pack that has the potential to be the best in the world. (Neatly pout oaks!)

Incumbent coach Allister Coetzee will arrive home from Wales, where his team suffered its fourth loss of the year at the weekend, to a chorus of calls for him to be replaced. It isn’t that much different from a year ago, but although this time there just may be some light apparent at the end of the tunnel for the Boks, he is less likely to survive.

The fact that the performance clause didn’t click in during the first year saved Coetzee 12 months ago. After promising in the build-up to the 2016 test in Cardiff that he would resign if he didn’t deliver a significantly better Bok success rate if given more planning time and his own management team, he was granted a stay of execution.

Make no mistake, the Boks have been better this year. But that is not really saying much after the miserable 33 percent success rate from last season. Seven wins in 13 matches, which is just over 50%, should not be seen as a significant enough improvement. There were signs of progress in the early months but record defeats against New Zealand and Ireland and the two draws against Australia have meant the Boks failed to kick on after August, which is when they started playing the top ranked teams.

That the Boks came so close to completing a come from behind win over Wales in their last match after being 21-3 down at one stage might hinder Coetzee’s chances of continuing rather than help him. For the Cardiff match highlighted the real problem for his team – they have a tough forward pack that is capable of executing in brutal fashion, but unfortunately the weak points in the rest of the team are too big to enable the Boks to convert what should be rugby’s bottom line.

Selection has been something that Coetzee has been slammed for in the latter parts of the year and sure enough the Welsh capitalised at the Millennium Stadium on his decision to play newcomer Warrick Gelant out of position on the wing. Wales coach Warren Gatland also accurately pinpointed the Bok vulnerabilities by employing a kicking strategy early in the match which, were it not for the dominance of the pack later on, would have left the visitors dead in the water.(Cant play a back three who are too small)

You do need to take into consideration that the Welsh pack that played in their 24-22 win in Cardiff was significantly depleted by injury. The hosts were down to their fourth choice tighthead according to some observers. So perhaps we shouldn’t get too carried away by the ease with which the Bok forwards overpowered Wales until a slew of substitutions impacted on the balance later in the game.

However, the Bok forwards have consistently been good, and at times approaching formidable, such as in the narrow loss to the All Blacks in Cape Town in October. Even in the Albany disaster, where the Boks lost 57-0, the South African big men bossed the early physical exchanges. If you have a pack like that, it should be relatively easy to transform the side into one that can consistently challenge the teams near the top of the world rankings. The Boks did not beat a top five ranked team in 2017.

The question that hung in the air after the Cardiff game was how the Boks could have only managed seven wins in 13 starts with such a strong pack. It is true that Australia escaped with two draws, results that would have made a significant difference to Coetzee’s chances of continuing into 2018, by being cunning in the forward battle. But that really is the point. The Boks need to be injected with more cunning, they need to start winning the tactical battles against the better teams instead of losing them.

As was the case 12 months ago, there has been a lot of speculation about Coetzee’s future and who will replace him. While the predictions that Saturday might have been the end of Coetzee era may not be wide of the mark, some of the speculation about his likely replacement has been fanciful.

Southern Kings coach Deon Davids may be on the radar in a few years from now but he is most emphatically not in the frame now, and the theory that former Bok coach Peter de Villiers will be part of the management going forward was probably spawned by a spelling mistake. Former French prop and Bok scrum coach Pieter de Villiers has an ‘i’ in his first name.

What we do know for sure, and this will be a positive for the Boks, is that regardless of whether Coetzee retains the title of coach in 2018, Rassie Erasmus, in his position as national director of rugby, will be the chief honcho going forward. The smart money should be on Erasmus coaching the team himself as he is ready for that after his stint with Munster, but even if he doesn’t, he will have his imprint on the team.

That being so, and with such a formidable pack at his disposal, the Bok future might be a lot brighter than many think and don’t bet against the South Africans pulling off the sort of convincing turn-around that England managed after their 2015 World Cup disaster.



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2017, 07:35
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04 Dec 2017, 07:35#2
Dr Mozzzzz needs to note the comments made about Rassie. One positive for sure!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2017, 07:38
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BUT despite he promises Ou Alistair says he is not going to resign. outh Africa coach Allister Coetzee said he would not resign as speculation over his future at the helm of the Springboks was ramped up in the wake of their defeat by Wales on Saturday. Pundits have been speculating for weeks that Coetzee would be removed after the team's four-match European tour, and the 24-22 loss to Wales in Cardiff set off a new round of criticism in South African media on Sunday. The coach, however, said he had no plans to go and feels his side are now on the up. “I’m signed on until 2019. That’s what my contract says,” he told reporters after South Africa finished the year with seven wins in 13 tests. Coetzee’s overall record fell to 11 wins in 25 games since his first match in charge in mid-2016. “The team has really grown. It’s a really healthy team environment. They are hurting at the moment. They feel that they let themselves down and the country down. You can only feel like that if you have a good team environment. “That wasn’t the case last year. Last year was a fiasco. Definitely a fiasco,” he added. In the wake of a dreadful set of results in 2016, which were the worst in Springbok history, Coetzee was allowed to make changes to the team set-up. He made changes to his staff and was given more access to the players throughout the Super Rugby season. He was also allowed to set a common coaching agenda for the country's rugby teams this year. NEW LOW Yet any signs of progress were clouded by a 57-0 loss to New Zealand that set a new low for Springbok rugby and put Coetzee’s future back in the spotlight. This was then exacerbated by a heavy defeat in Ireland last month. The coach, however, said critics were not seeing the bigger picture. “If you look at outcomes only, then you are missing the plot completely. You have to create the opportunities for guys to come in. You’ve got to give players chances to grow. You cannot build Rome in a day. “If you’re going to continue to look at the negatives, then you’ll get what you’re looking for. Then you can write what you want about that. But this side is on the up.” Some media were predicting Coetzee could be sacked as early as the end of the week with Rassie Erasmus set to take over. He was appointed to the new role of Director of Rugby, effectively overseeing Coetzee’s work, and has just returned to South Africa from coaching Munster in Ireland.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2017, 07:39
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04 Dec 2017, 07:39#4
Bloggers were incensed: n what universe does this clown live in? As he is obviasly not seeing what everybody els is seeing. A first string Boks team LOST 24 – 22 against a Welsh B-TEAM how are we on the up side? And could someone please explain to me where the positives are? As every game we won since 2016 was just luck. As if you look at the 3 France games in the beging of the year. France did not have a good team if we truly where that good whe should have crushed them. The Auzies where also in a bad place this year… whe should have crushed them. Not draw. Nobody gives a S&#t till when your contract is Alister. JUST RESIGHN!!! Your making South African rugby out to be a f#%&ing JOKE Nathan Loftie-Eaton what a delusional clown Like · Reply · 1 hr Gary Brian Hilder He has no shame. He's a disgrace to his people ... to his country ... and to the sport. Thankfully he has a claus in his contract that states he's to achieve a 65% win ratio. He's fallen short ... way short ... and that's grounds enough for immediate dismissal. Bye bye Tottie!! Like · Reply · 1 hr Sallie Gamat Bharoochi · Chris jan botha Fantastic demonstration of "ignorance is Bliss" You take a 2/3 world rated team, you brealk records for all the wrong reasons, after 2 years, brought them downt 5/6 rated. And we all miss the plot completely "This side is on the Up" AC I am going to start blaming you for Cape Town not getting rain. Like · Reply · 1 hr Johan Botma He is just not good to coach at that level. he will not go on his own so they should fire him. Like · Reply · 1 · 1 hr Edrich Pienaar · Procurement Officer at Prezioso Linjebygg GROUP Fire Toetie. Bring in Rassie Erasmus / Jake White in as coach. Give them free reign to select / build a team that they want. That is the only way Springbok Rugby can will get back to it's best. Like · Reply · 2 · 1 hr Marnus J. Richter Can we then fire the guy who hired him? Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs Lucas Donovan · Goa, India "If you look at outcomes only, then you are missing the plot completely. You have to create the opportunities for guys to come in. You’ve got to give players chances to grow. You cannot build Rome in a day." AC, you were given a Rome that functioned at 80%. You burned it down, then tried to rebuild it your way and couldn't get it right. Now the place is running at 10% instead of 2% last year. If that is your version of "progress" then yes, I will always miss the plot completely. Like · Reply · 3 · 2 hrs · Edited Boris Blank · Salt Plant Operator at Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia AC...it's not whether you win or lose and the outcome is not important...it's the way we played.......and get paid at the end of every month.... seriously overpaid! Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs Ray Bockwurst · Optimist Manager at Rugby Graveyard Maintenance I agree 100% with Toetie. We shouldn't just look at the outcome. i.e .score, that is blinkered thinking. There are so many other indicators that we are all missing: the new track suits; the gusto with which the Anthem is sung, the increase in tattoos among the Boks, the inventive hairstyles. Btw, I also believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and that JZ writes his own speeches.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2017, 07:39
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04 Dec 2017, 07:39#5
Bloggers were incensed: n what universe does this clown live in? As he is obviasly not seeing what everybody els is seeing. A first string Boks team LOST 24 – 22 against a Welsh B-TEAM how are we on the up side? And could someone please explain to me where the positives are? As every game we won since 2016 was just luck. As if you look at the 3 France games in the beging of the year. France did not have a good team if we truly where that good whe should have crushed them. The Auzies where also in a bad place this year… whe should have crushed them. Not draw. Nobody gives a S&#t till when your contract is Alister. JUST RESIGHN!!! Your making South African rugby out to be a f#%&ing JOKE Nathan Loftie-Eaton what a delusional clown Like · Reply · 1 hr Gary Brian Hilder He has no shame. He's a disgrace to his people ... to his country ... and to the sport. Thankfully he has a claus in his contract that states he's to achieve a 65% win ratio. He's fallen short ... way short ... and that's grounds enough for immediate dismissal. Bye bye Tottie!! Like · Reply · 1 hr Sallie Gamat Bharoochi · Chris jan botha Fantastic demonstration of "ignorance is Bliss" You take a 2/3 world rated team, you brealk records for all the wrong reasons, after 2 years, brought them downt 5/6 rated. And we all miss the plot completely "This side is on the Up" AC I am going to start blaming you for Cape Town not getting rain. Like · Reply · 1 hr Johan Botma He is just not good to coach at that level. he will not go on his own so they should fire him. Like · Reply · 1 · 1 hr Edrich Pienaar · Procurement Officer at Prezioso Linjebygg GROUP Fire Toetie. Bring in Rassie Erasmus / Jake White in as coach. Give them free reign to select / build a team that they want. That is the only way Springbok Rugby can will get back to it's best. Like · Reply · 2 · 1 hr Marnus J. Richter Can we then fire the guy who hired him? Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs Lucas Donovan · Goa, India "If you look at outcomes only, then you are missing the plot completely. You have to create the opportunities for guys to come in. You’ve got to give players chances to grow. You cannot build Rome in a day." AC, you were given a Rome that functioned at 80%. You burned it down, then tried to rebuild it your way and couldn't get it right. Now the place is running at 10% instead of 2% last year. If that is your version of "progress" then yes, I will always miss the plot completely. Like · Reply · 3 · 2 hrs · Edited Boris Blank · Salt Plant Operator at Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia AC...it's not whether you win or lose and the outcome is not important...it's the way we played.......and get paid at the end of every month.... seriously overpaid! Like · Reply · 1 · 2 hrs Ray Bockwurst · Optimist Manager at Rugby Graveyard Maintenance I agree 100% with Toetie. We shouldn't just look at the outcome. i.e .score, that is blinkered thinking. There are so many other indicators that we are all missing: the new track suits; the gusto with which the Anthem is sung, the increase in tattoos among the Boks, the inventive hairstyles. Btw, I also believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy and that JZ writes his own speeches.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Dec 2017, 07:40
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04 Dec 2017, 07:40#6
Ray Bockwurst · Optimist Manager at Rugby Graveyard Maintenance Man that is an amazing name!
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