Bok Player Rating vs England
In the main I agree with he ratings - but for Libbok that I think was worth no more than 3 and Nche wo wa snot on the ield long enough - 33 minutes . In those 33 miniues the English was penalized twice in scrumming so I would give him 6 points.
or that lin break that set up the Kolbe try I ould give De A llede 8,5 points. If the backlie wa snot malfuncion due to Libbok making shit kicks in the irst half De Allende and the players outside of him would have done much better tat they did in the end/
I hope never to see Libbok in the Springbok team again - in two minutes he made 2 unbelievable fuck-ups early in the game and that set the tune or his performance throughout the time he was on the field of play. .
All very embarrassing for the Allende knockers.
Watch the game at Kleinnmond with some friends.
Lineouts need fixing.
Personally I think we have better than Arendse. Against England who kept kicking up and unders and cross kicks the rock solid Moodie would have been better.
Fassie disappointed.
I felt Kolisi' rating a bit high. Hanekom must get picked against Wales.
Wilco did well and with Thomas we are well served in the front row.
Great to see RG putting in a long stint.
We need to find top class replacement hookers.
Boks should end the year at number one.
Great to see the frogs end the wee abs dream of number 1 spot.
Marx throwing is still very poor. I think Bongi looked his age. Struggled to get around the park. Very slow and easy to run around. We need to a younger hooker now. Grobbies turn now.
Problem is, Rassie is running out of black player to pick. With Ox on the side lines and only Kolisi the other black player in the starting team. Normally with Bongi, Ox and Kolisi, Rassie can keep the ANC happy. Let's see what McKenzie has to say about these quotas. Not that Ox is a quota, just that it makes it much harder to pick your fittest and best team.
Would love to see Marx play more minutes.
Interesting pick next weekend. Will Rassie rotate again or will he go full out to end on a high.
I thought De Allende was poor, maybe with Manie on the inside, throwing panicked passes. Pollard is the still number 1.
Williams is a fantastic sniping talent. Been a while since we saw a 9 that can keep fringe defenders honest. He creates so much space by pinning the fringe defenders. They know what happens if they drift to early.
I think our big Ysters as they say are RG, Etzebeth and PSDT. These guys are just getting better. Hope we can keep them in tip shape until the next world cup.
Hope Eben gets a rest, still the URC, so long season for him.
Kolisi was putting in some hard tackles. He is starting to become a real mongrel, which I like. Still jumps away from rucks which I hate.
Not sure if Fassi is the answer at full back. Maybe wing is his spot. Great catcher but his hands let's him down. Probably because we comparing him to Willie who has the best pass in the game.
Now, who should be picked for the Wales game?
If De Allende was poor this week - then Esterhuizen was supershit last week. Live with it the matchwinning try was set up by DeAllende's break setting up the second Kolbe try. At lesst aside from scoring tries himself he assisted in scorig tries as well. . Esterhuizen in 19 tests he played in he never scored a try nd never had a try ssist in scoring of tries - so stop your BS sprading please.
I think that most of te enior layers will be rested. wih some on he ebnch if things go awry. I would not pick Esterhuizen again.
I think that the team wil look like the following:
15 Le Roux
14 Fassie
13 Am
12 De Allende
11 Arendse
10 Hendrikse
9 Hendrikse
8
7 Du Toit
6 Hanekom
5 Snyman
4
3 Du Toit
2 Grobelaaar
1 Steenkamp
The bench will include Pollard and Williams if hings go awy and maybe Etzebeth as well, Plesse no more Libbok and Eserhuizen. - they will destroy any backlie la y ing onm tes t leel. ,
12 Damian de Allende: Set up a crucial try for the Springboks as he
powered through the attempted tackles of Henry Slade and Ben Earl to
canter into the England half of the pitch and send Kolbe racing away for
his second score. That was the highlight of his game but far from his
only contribution as he produced yet another tidy shift on defence and
carried strongly to the line, linking up with Handre Pollard and Libbok.
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An absolute fiction outside of the bolded line.
He never once received a pass from Handre Pollard, thus the linking up with Handre Pollard is a total thumbsuck.
carried strongly to the line - carried to the line twice - once from lineout ball at 43:58, was tackled by Smith, held on and conceded a penalty. The other time was his break at 62:24.
This is the state of rugby journalism - just making stuff up.
365's rating is more realistic, but also talks about solid runs and carries outside of the break that simply doesn't exist.
12. Damian de Allende – 6/10
A relatively quiet evening by his standards, but made a few solid runs and carries and was instrumental in his linebreak that set Kolbe up for a brace to give the Springboks some breathing space on the scoreboard.
Pakie how many times did De A llende handleed the ball during t he whole game/ Libbok made sure he aimlessly kicked away 90% of the balls tat went to him and I can remember when De Allende got the bal and passed it tokriel, As per normal his defnse was sound and tht is a fac5 a well. Maybe i sould hve naother look at what happened in the game and not b lief B S sprading like Pkie and mapower is totally capable of an pcilize in.
Pakie how many times did De A llende handleed the ball during t he whole game Libbok made sure he aimlessly kicked away 90% of the balls tat went to him and I can remember when De Allende got the bal and passed it tokriel,
I don't have a problem with a player not getting the ball much due to how the game is being played. I have a problem with journalists making stuff up. I didn't see him passing to Kriel at any point, you are welcome to tell me when it happened if you find it.
Here is DDA's whole game. Anyone else who runs through the game is free to add something if they spot it. It's one influential play with the break in the 63rd minute amid a bunch of routine and two possessions to the opposition. There's not one significant or dominant tackle in there, not one noteworthy run or carry or play outside of the break.
03:01 tackle assist
18:19 runs laterally and gets tackled behind the advantage line
19:57 receives at the back of the lineout and makes a few meters
23:32 short pass to Libbok
29:03 tackles Slade (he had already passed but I'll count it just for completeness sake)
32:02 ruck cleanout assist
34:52 secures loose ball
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41:17 kicks attacking possession on the 22 straight to Steward who marks and clears
42:12 passes to Fassi
43:58 gets from Mbonambi at lineout and runs 7m into open space before being tackled by Smith, holds on and England gets a penalty
46:20 tackle assists Pollard on Slade
49:14 missed tackle on Earl
62:24 breaks through Earl and Slade's tackle to release Kolbe for a try
67:24 tackle Lawrence
SUBBED
I think they're under pressure to get it out there. They'd do well to run through the game a second time first. I've had to revise many of my first impressions of a game and a player on second viewing over the years.
Dud Allende was hardly visible till his break. His most noteworthy act until his break was a pitiful tactical kick when we had great possession… a purposeless kick.
The break came out of the blue and it was consequential. It may have saved the match….but a random act. There was no sense of regular contributions to the attack.
Damien’s problems are mental….he thinks slowly and acts instinctively. He must have been salivating at the prospect of lining up Slade, stupidly played at inside center. And he did a number on him.
One wonders what prep these rugby players get. Has Slade watched a tape of Dud’s tactics. His big move is the lowered shoulder into the tackle….ala Gert Muller, the master of that move.
The response is to tackle low…just above the knee. Slade went waist high and got wasted.
The ratings….numbers in the final analysis…..are mostly worthless. And so is the commentary Take the Libbok narrative. Not one point on his tackling which included missed tackles and being dragged for 10 metres while hanging on for dear life.
These aren’t journalists they are camp followers.
Your comments isas biased ads olyyou can come up with. in ther words total BS as excpcted. - the one case where you claime e made 7 meters he went to sadn athe end of the ine-ot since the Coks were a forward short and he carried the bal for 7 metters - but there wa nobody to cover the beadown and when on player arrived it wa oo ate to rcver the abll - so De Allende ws blamed. When player crry a ball in traffice there should always be players to assist ain b all protection and in this case there ere e player assis as mre likely Pollard and not by De A llence. that came to late and the result wa a penalty.
So he tackle sassist s Polard in tackling Slade - accoring to you - but Slaxde played at 12 so if the tacjkle assist is likely by pollard. So he msissed a tackle on Earl who played at 13 - so he had ro move out to help in handling Earl I sa that incint clearly and Erl as tackled ameter later by anoter forwrd player, What happenmed was he forced early to runstraight inmto 3 forwards who brougt him adown a meter from where De Allende missed the tackle3,
Yiour revew is total BS as was reeatedly found and was always repetatively he same BS/ When to players in two matches ran straght through Msters tackle and tries wer sscored it wa all Du Toit's fault because he was guarding the potential next recipient of the ball. e meters away. Whatever you cme up is norm,ally the same BS Mozart cmes up with.
In any evet in 19 tess plaed how many tries have St Esterhuizen scored and how many try assists did he had - NONE.
Your wrot about h many rckles he amde in thematch - 3 and in no case was he invoved in a move to pass te ball to anybody wih any real beeficial cnsqences - NONE again. But Esterhuizen had a good game ad this week againsta muc stronger team De Allende had a shit game.
I rather believe real expert assessment of performance than I respect your shotspreading. There were real expecrts that did assssment of players f all players in all the 15 positions and De Allende was regarded a the ebst 12 in the series and even got the MOM i one test -but he a shit accordingto you and th non-performin Esterhuien wa te answer to all problems. He played for only 3 minutes i the Portiga tstbefore he buggered upand got 4 weak ban. He then was eft out of the home test because according to you he was injured -but eh played that s,eweek fr the Sharks in thei semi-final match in the CC and did squat again. Then off to the UK and St Esterhuizen wa icked to play against Scotland and what wa shis effec o the game - one big bugger-all, So what happened in the Englad test - the score wa 22-20 and a penalty would have won the match for England so De Allende broke hrough the tackle attempt of two payers and pssed the ball to Kolbe who scored the winning try for the Springboks - now he was shit according to you and it meant nothing in your simpleton biased assessment.
Nobody should ever believe he BS Mozart and you comes up with because it is total and biased BS anyway.
Drivel alert.
BS Mozar5t alert. There were too man defenders in front of the Springbok players and you blamd him to try and make a kixk in that case, Your contribution is not drivel alert - it is BS alert in your case. Remember your lies f he pst tha was exposed i the past about the two Duds as prime BSter Mozart allege ha[ened and then exposed as lies - so keep it up Mozart - very few people trust your incident decriptions in matches, Do keep it u - you are at last good for a laugh at times, .
I remember your claim about me lying….every one disproved. Unlike you who have been caught out many times. After which you just slink away and often repeat the lie after a convenient period of time has elapsed.
But it could also just be second childhood.
The Grumpy Old Men still bashing away at each other . . . each thinking he's winning!
LMAO!
You should join up….what are you now 65 and 40 lbs overweight?
So the sporting journos getting it wrong. Jean De Villiers called Allende a World class center after the match. Planet rugby gives him a high match rating.
BUT BUT there are some loons on Ruckers that thing he is useless. Bwahahahahaha.
We must take the assessment of those calling Du Toit and Rassie useless as being gospel in their assessment of Allende. More clueless you cannot get.
Allende has had a long and distinguished career. Dimwits like Mozzietard have never recognized his worth regardless of performance. You know they will say Allende has flopped even before the game has been played.
You can't take such biased people seriously.
Wehe . . . as if I'd sink to that level. You and ou Maaik occupy the bottom rung on this message board ladder.
Well, Henry Slade was still the best looking man on the pitch, so we won something !
Becs
You are a aldy so I have no option but to admit tha yo have a good tate as to playes on their loks. about Slade.
Oh Mpower….it was a close run thing with Kwagga and his nose
Thank you Mike
Ha ha ha ! Underhill is no looker. I love the way he always has one ear taped down so he looks like he’s had a nasty accident
Underhill reminds one of LOR…but I think the English coach with his ski jump nose might delight you becs.
Ha ha ha. His poor nose was always scabbed when he used to play.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/nov/16/england-20-29-south-africa-autumn-nations-series-player-ratings
South Africa
15) Aphelele Fassi Not a great afternoon under the high ball but made an important tackle on Smith. Not much chance to showcase his counterattacking. 7
14) Cheslin Kolbe You’d put the house on him finishing his first try. The garage on his second. So springy, which makes him so effective in the air. World class. 9
13) Jesse Kriel Pinged for escorting but made huge tackle on Lawrence just as England were threatening in the final 10 minutes. So solid. 8
12) Damian de Allende Had been quiet until he slipped the shackles and fed Kolbe on the right wing. Like Kriel he is uber-consistent in these big matches. 8
11) Kurt-Lee Arendse Big tackle on Lawrence in the first half and gets up so high to compete for the ball. Denied try for a marginal forward pass. 7
10) Manie Libbok A shaky start, having been trusted with the No 10 jersey. Up and under went backwards but nice kick-pass to Kolbe. A mixed bag. 6
9) Grant Williams A live wire. Stunning try to get South Africa up and running and kept finding gaps to squeeze through. England were relieved to see the back of him. 8
1) Ox Nché South Africa were on top at scrum time while he was on the pitch, if not dominant, but replaced because of injury after half an hour. 6
2) Bongi Mbonambi Probably expected a rough ride. England tested his lineout throwing but he held firm and was always a willing carrier into heavy traffic. 7
3) Wilco Louw Became the 50th player used by the Springboks this year, which is a remarkable stat. Justified selection, though, with scrum penalties won inside own 22. 8
4) Eben Etzebeth So impressive in the air and consistently rattled England, in particular Van Poortvliet. Borderline legal at times but that’s what makes him so effective. 8
5) RG Snyman An enormous human so perhaps it isn’t surprising he is so effective on a rugby field. A menace throughout. 9
6) Siya Kolisi Set the tone for his side with huge hit on Earl early on but struggled to get the Boks on the right side of the referee. 7
7) Pieter-Steph du Toit Typically all action from the relentless flanker. Charge-down try was reward for his work ethic. He just doesn’t stop. 9
8) Jasper Wiese So hard to put down when carrying the fight to England, giving the Springboks hard but crucial yards. 8
Replacements: Malcolm Marx (for Mbonambi 46) Such a weapon to have on the bench 7; Gerhard Steenekamp (for Nché 33) Sent to sin-bin for collective indiscipline 6; Vincent Koch (for Louw 42) Made a big impact 7; Elrigh Louw (for Etzebeth 67) Some hard grafter 6; Kwagga Smith (for Wiese 50) South Africa’s super sub 7; Cobus Reinach (for Williams 60) Valuable experience 7; Handrè Pollard (for Libbok 46) Settled his side down 8; Lukhanyo Am (for De Allende 69) 7.
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