FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / RUGBY /  Bok Player Ratings vs Ireland

Bok Player Ratings vs Ireland

Started by sharkbok6 REPLIES1,118 VIEWS· 11 Nov 2017, 21:50
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
11 Nov 2017, 21:50
#1
11 Nov 2017, 21:50#1

Sport24 Ratings Dublin:

Andries Coetzee: 4.5

Started the game with intent, producing a nice swerve and surge. But things slipped mostly backwards from there, even if determination didn’t wane too much. They say cats have nine lives ... the fullback’s now had 10 (appearances) this year, and it is high time to try someone else.

Dillyn Leyds: 4.5

Tried to be constructive on attack, and there was precious little of that from Boks collectively. But also looked uncertain in tackling/stopping terms and lost one ball forward in a thumping tackle on his modest frame.  

Jesse Kriel: 4.5

Kriel always tries to bring strong leg-drive, and there was a bit of that from him. But he also goes up too many blind alleys or runs out of space ... and lacked basic instinct in the area of drawing Irish defenders before offloading.

Damian de Allende: 3

If he’s going to be remembered for just one thing (and there was little else) in this Test, it was his horrendously poor decision to kick ahead - and badly - with a promising, generous overlap waiting to be exploited in first half. Things didn’t get much better for a man who is an abject shadow of his former self.  

Courtnall Skosan: 3.5

If he’s been a “bastion” this year, it’s mostly been of mediocrity ... and I’m afraid he even fell well short of that level in Dublin with a noticeably brittle display defensively. Weakness under the high bomb came home to roost; badly beaten to the one that opened Irish try count.

Elton Jantjies: 4.5

Little that was too glaringly wrong ... but just such a callow-looking figure again in a spot that requires a reassuring “general”. He is 27 and has 21 caps, but you might have thought he was a nervous first- or second-capper here. Not an ideal northern-hemisphere pivot, and it showed.

Ross Cronje: 4

Ouch ... harrowing outing against big, wily opposite number Conor Murray. Tactical kicking near-awful: tended to either undercook or overdo them, and on this showing Boks will need to reconsider the nine shirt. Had a decent dart through midfield.  

Francois Louw: 5.5  

CJ Stander almost undoubtedly looked more comfortable in the No 8 berth, for the winning cause. That said, Louw again tried hard as a “fish out of water”. Gave away one or two penalties, though, and spilled a ball on attack.

Pieter-Steph du Toit: 6

Got around gallantly, often arriving to arrest trouble at crisis times. Worked feverishly to win a maul turnover penalty, and also poached an Irish lineout.  

Siya Kolisi: 4

Has been so good at open-side for much of 2017 ... but regrettably this was a near-shocker for him. Part of Bok pack outsmarted at and outpaced to the breakdown, and was turned over in a carry. Unusually high error rate, though at least he tried to add some sort of thrust and input out wide.

Lood de Jager: 5.5

Struggled to be genuinely visible, but I thought he was one of the better Boks for honest, consistent industry just outside the main spotlight.  

Eben Etzebeth: 5

Usually sets such high standards, but this was one of his least memorable Test matches. Couldn’t really put a cracker up Bok posteriors in leadership terms on the night, either. Looked as nonplussed as any team-mate at times, and his famed physicality stayed mostly in the shed. Some solid tackles on the retreat.  

Coenie Oosthuizen: No rating

Just back from a broken arm ... and off the luckless tighthead went on a stretcher even as some spectators were still finding their seats, victim of a hard but fair gang tackle that set tone for broader Irish fire. (Hasty substitute Wilco Louw had difficult outing, but would have learnt plenty from it.)

Malcolm Marx: 5

What happened to the Newlands superstar against NZ? Disappointing come-down showing, even if basics were OK. Won a turnover penalty, but the big unit also lost a ball in contact and the Irish got under his skin a bit.    

Tendai Mtawarira: 4.5

Nearing that 100th cap, but back to rank mediocrity for the Beast in this fixture after several decent Tests this year. Little ball-in-hand influence, and culpable in a couple of scrum penalties.

Standout substitute:

Steven Kitshoff: 5   

Bench did little to lift the gloom, really. But Kitshoff was very active almost immediately when introduced in 54th minute, playing part in securing a turnover penalty. Didn’t provide usual scrum oomph, however, and “popped” once.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Nov 2017, 22:05
#2
11 Nov 2017, 22:05#2
Fairly decent, but still not really honest. . 1 All of the back three were useless under the high ball, but Coetzee was much better than the wings. He made 77 metres and beat 7 defenders, numbers which dwarfed the other Boks. . 2 Our two centres were hopeless. Kriel was a movement killer......unlike a trained centre he get’s himself side on to the tackler every time....which takes away any step and any inside offload. He is awful.....as is Allende. Clueless robots, . 3 Our halves were disastrous playing the Coetzee style. Both were clueless and their kicking was not even schoolboy accurate. Really! . 4 Our front row couldn’t coordinate their shove. In a few scrums we actually were inching forward, at which point Ireland wheeled back at tighthead and shifted the rotation onto our tighthead. We never figured it out. . 5 Both locks were at best a 4. . 6 Stephanie and Louw seemed like the only players that were trying. But Stephanie didn’t steal a lineout.....the ball was underthrown right into his bread basket. And in his runs he beat only 1 tackle and made 14 metres. .... This was a team reconciled to defeat before they stepped on the park....our coaches are to blame for that.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
11 Nov 2017, 22:09
#3
11 Nov 2017, 22:09#3

My Ratings

 

Andries Coetzee: 3.5/10

One dimensional and indecisive at the same time. Gelant?

 

Dillyn Leyds: 3.0/10

Both wings were poor – but got little opportunity on attack. Playing small wings and not creating space for them is pointless.

 

Jessica Kriel: 3.0/10

A utility back that looked like he could fit in nowhere.

 

Damian de Allende:  0/10

A slow cart horse.

 

Courtnall Skosan: 2/10

Looked poor under the high ball. Otherwise made no impact.

 

Jantjies 4/10

One of the better players- even though his performance was terrible.

 

Ross Cronje: 3.5/10

Slow to the breakdown. Appeared to be flustered, and eager to shovel the ball on.

 

Francois Louw: 4.5/10

Put in a workman donkey like performance

 

Pieter-Steph du Toit: 5/10

Probably the Boks best player on the day. The best of a bad bunch


Siya Kolisi: 1.5/10

His fetching skills and ball retention were so bad he knocked the ball on out of his own player's hands as they tried to place the ball at the base of the ruck


Lood de Jager: 2.5/10

A waste of time. Where was Mostert?


Eben Etzebeth: 3.5/10

Does he know how to run on to the ball, or does he prefer being in a standing position to do a wrestling move?


Coenie Oosthuizen: No rating


Malcolm Marx: 5.5/10

No opportunity to run onto the ball. The only forward that got over the advantage line but was well tackled.


Tendai Mtawarira: 2.5/10

Got bullied in the scrums, but Kitshoff did not fare much better.

 

Standout substitute:

Steven Kitshoff: 3.5/10  

No impact

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2017, 09:13
#4
12 Nov 2017, 09:13#4
 SB
There is another aspect to bear in mind.   Due to the very early injury to Coeie - Louw had to play for 78 minutes - a very long time for a prop.   At the end when Kitshof came on he obviously was very tired and the problems mainly emerge  from his side of the scrum.
Both Louw and Kolisi were equally bad as loosies - they were totally outplayed by the Irish loosies and just cause ball losses.  
I said our main problems would be on the wing and by the loosies - with serious question marks around the half-0backs as well.   Lets face facts -
*   Leyds and Skosan is NOT test level players;*   Jantjies at test level is a liability when put under pressure and his decisionmaking becomes notoriously bad affecting the performance of the centers;*   Louw lost his playing marbles three years ago and has not recovered same.
Mtawarira and Kolisi was just plain bad and Etzebeth was no better than De Jager - the wheels came off badly yesterday.
Lastly Kriel was even worse than De Allende.  




 
 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2017, 13:33
#5
12 Nov 2017, 13:33#5
 Kriel was not worse than Allende and Francois Louw was one the best of a poor lot, just as Houwig says.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Nov 2017, 14:46
#6
12 Nov 2017, 14:46#6
 Here are the Rugby 365 Ratings: . Angus Opperman rates the South African players! . 15 Andries Coetzee Kept his cool under pressure to step before a kick return. Looked good at times with some tackle breaks, but made some bad decisions at times as to try and run out of his 22 instead of clearing 5/10 . 14 Dillyn Leyds Didn’t do much initially and had very little to work with and did some good things as a tap back from a high ball to retain possession. Got Smashed in the tackle after taking a ball on the front foot from Pollard and lost it forward. Tried hard but just didn’t have many opportunities. Held his own in defence 5/10 . 13 Jesse Kriel Didn’t impress either. Got sucked in on defence by the Ireland set moves. Made a good half break, but runs sideways too much and got tackled by Aki into touch. Killed space plenty of times and made silly errors. 3/10 . 12 Damian de Allende Kicked away good possession when the Boks had an overlap to work with, not very good decision making. Got caught by a rush defence from the Irish and not getting the ball away in time to his outside backs and looked unfit and out of form. His selection should really be questioned. 2/10 . 11 Courtnall Skosan Good back tackle on Conway after a good set move by an Ireland that stretched the Boks defence. Did well under the high ball initially, but then lost a high ball backwards which Conway pounced on and went to score. Missed a pass from Kolisi where he could have scored. Also got sucked in a lot with Jesse Kriel on defence and opening up space for Conway out wide. 4/10 . 10 Elton Jantjies Didn’t control the game well from the start of the match. Got his penalty over to get SA on the board, but was outclassed by Sexton 4/10 . 9 Ross Cronje Mixed start with his tactical kicking, service was satisfactory from the base, but need to work on his decision making. Also didn’t have the best ball to work with from his pack 4/10 . 8 Francois Louw Didn’t have all his way at the breakdown, carried and defended well. Won a penalty in the second half with Malcolm Marx to get his side in Irish territory. Conceded a penalty at the breakdown after being warned by the referee to leave it. Lost a good ball on attack as well and was nullified on a few occasions. Defended well though. 5/10 . 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit Didn’t really make a big impact initially, but came into the game well later on and won a crucial turnover later on when Ireland had a maul rumbling at the Springboks' tryline. Won a lineout on an Ireland throw. Conceded a breakdown penalty which Sexton converted. 5/10 . 6 Siya Kolisi Had a quiet game, but was good on defence, as usual, ran a good line on attack, but was isolated and concede the penalty for holding on. Throwing a good pass to Skosan who could have gone on to score and he couldn’t catch it. He had better games before. 5/10 . 5 Lodewyk de Jager Did okay with his ball in hand play and work at the breakdown as well as in the lineouts, but didn’t do anything more than his basics. 4/10 . 4 Eben Etzebeth His intimidating bruising self in his carries and work rate, but also made a questionable decision to go for the lineout instead of reducing the gap to 11 points when trailing 14-0. Did well in the lineouts as well. 6/10 . 3 Coenraad Oosthuizen Went off in the second minute due to injury, replaced by Wilco Louw. Not Enough time to be rated. . 2 Malcolm Marx Had a Good first lineout win. Made some good carries as well and making meters for his side. Won a penalty at the breakdown with Louw at the start of the second half to get the Springboks in the Ireland half. 5/10 . 1 Tendai Mtawarira Conceded a scrum penalty in the second minute of the match, made up with some solid carries and made meters for his side later on. Lost a ball on attack in the second half and didn’t carry as well to his standards. 4/10 . Replacements: . 23 Francois Venter (on for De Allende, 56th minute) Certainly had a better game than De Allende, yet failed to impress and didn’t do much for the time he was on. 4/10 . 22 Handre Pollard (on for Jantjies, 56th Minute) . Fell awkwardly after taking a kick from Conway and slid into touch gifting Ireland territory and possession. Took the line on well, but didn’t contribute much afterwards. 5/10 . 21 Rudi Paige (on for Cronje, 68th Minute) Not enough time to be rated . 20 Uzair Cassiem (on for Kolisi, 68th Minute) Not enough time to be rated . 19 Franco Mostert: Not Used . 18 Wilco Louw (on for Oosthuizen, second minute) Struggled surprisingly in the first 10 minutes at scrum time with Mtawarira. Held well later on in the scrums, but wasn’t much in the game. Conceded a penalty for pre-engaging late in the second half 5/10 . 17 Steven Kitshoff (on for Mtawarira, 54th minute) Was solid initially, but then struggled in the scrum later in the match, didn’t have his best game either and was outplayed by his opposite at times. 5/10 . 16 Bongi Mbonambi(on for Marx, 68th Minute) Not enough time to be rated
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Nov 2017, 15:28
#7
12 Nov 2017, 15:28#7
 Mozart
You sometimes - when it fits your arguments - you quote stats even though you are very selective to quote those and will never provide any on your favourites.   Why don't you have a look at the stats of Kriel and de Allende and tell us why you are correct in this case.  
— END OF THREAD —

More from Rugby

More news