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Bok side for second test

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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 15:23
#1
19 Aug 2025, 15:23#1

Is Rassie losing the plot?


15 Willie


14 Moodie


13 Kriel


12 de Allende


11 Kolbe


10 Pollard


9 Williams


1 Ox


2 Marx


3 Thomas du Toit


4 RG


5 Nortje


6 v Staaden


7 Mostert


8 JL du Preez


16 Marnus vd Merwe 17 Boan Venter 18 Wilco 19 Eben 20 Lood 21 Kwagga 22 Reinach 23 Sacha

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 15:32
#2
19 Aug 2025, 15:32#2

Surely Cobus Wiese at 7 would add far more grunt than powder puff


Thomas du Toit was not even in the squad - I know he had to sit out for 2 weeks but no mention was made of him returning


Good to see him back though


Why the fuck is Eben not starting


Not a fan of that loose trio other than JL du Preez at 8

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Aug 2025, 15:39
#3
19 Aug 2025, 15:39#3

That looks a bit patchy.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 15:45
#4
19 Aug 2025, 15:45#4

Far too many changes - no consistency in selection


Imbalanced loosetrio - v Staaden is kak, Mostert has always failed at 7 and JL plays his rugby at 7 not 8


When last did Thomas play 3 as Rassie keeps playing him at 1


Going back to Willie at 15 is not progressive

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Aug 2025, 15:48
#5
19 Aug 2025, 15:48#5

In every coaches time there comes a time where you can no longer stay up with the game or understand how to coach the players.


Why on earth is Willie there!


Again, this was his chance to get momentum and really get his best team on the field.


I think this is Rassies downwards spiral, it happens to Meyer, White, Mallet, Bod Dwyer, Eddie Jones, Joe Schmidt and who would forget Warren Garland. On paper they look like the best coaches ever but I think Rassie time is happening sooner than we think.


Let's check those predictions when someone posted 4 difficult the boks have to play and now it is 6, they already dropped a home game against a youthful Aussie team.


Don't understand what Mostert offers

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Aug 2025, 15:51
#6
19 Aug 2025, 15:51#6

I'm fine with Van Staden after his performance Saturday. More involved than most of the forwards in the tight stuff, very effective on the carry.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Aug 2025, 16:00
#7
19 Aug 2025, 16:00#7

All hands to the pumps

SH
sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
19 Aug 2025, 16:23
#8
19 Aug 2025, 16:23#8

Rassie looks like he is starting to panic with knee-jerk reactions.


Nortje & Mostert starting, both stringbeans.

Although the lineouts look good when Nortje calls them.

Mostert can be effective at the breakdown. Nortre has also been playing at 7 for the Bulls


I see we are persisting with the geriatrical Reinach.

Steph DuToit is not even on the bench.

At least we got rid of Bongi, he is way past it.

Thomas DuToit is better off the bench, where he can use his mobility in the loose.

Dumb Luc at 8? Even Saffex is shocked...


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 16:31
#9
19 Aug 2025, 16:31#9

Mostert and Nortje in the same side with Thomas at 3 having not played there in ages


v Staaden is crap, not test standard


We seem to be moving away from the likes of Koch and Mapimpi


If that is the case then why are we still hanging on to Willie, Mostert and Reinach

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Aug 2025, 16:49
#10
19 Aug 2025, 16:49#10

Dr. Lucky wants to gift the OZ a second win:) I don’t think he knows what he is doing, desperate to find something, but he has no cooking clue how to find it.


He keeps Jessica but drops AE and AE was much better than Kriel. Thomas Du Toit can’t scrum, he has proven that already!!


Back to John Deere the tractor?! Ball killer idiot…. Eventually JLuc gets a chance….Mostert is a lock??


Again musical chairs and a team that has not played together much in this form?


Dr,Lucky is definitely losing the plot….what a Idiot!!


SH
sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
19 Aug 2025, 17:05
#11
19 Aug 2025, 17:05#11

Saffex is again proving his ignorance. V Staaden is not my ideal player, but he is a specialist open-sider. He is the best we have at 6. Deon Fourie will be about 50 at the next World Cup, and he is injury-prone.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 17:22
#12
19 Aug 2025, 17:22#12

Shut up you stupid prick - Shark you literally know fuck all about rugby


v Staaden turns over one ball a game, does fuck all else other than stupidly concede penalties and he is our best openside in your opion


Shove your ignorant opinions up your arse

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Aug 2025, 17:26
#13
19 Aug 2025, 17:26#13

Just listened to Luckmis answer media questions. More waffle than straight answers, apparently van den berg and Hooker would have gotten a crack but because we lost it is back to Willie and Dud.


sounds like he wanted to play hooker at 13?!!


There were talks of Moodie at 13


What bongi is doing there


so now he has 4 locks in his team and 3 on the field. Vincent misses out when this would have been a great chance for him.


again, Rassie has lost the plot, the players are starting to doubt themselves now.


I would have been okay if we lost had he fielded a younger or inexperienced team but Willie and Bongi Robbing another cap and another opportunity

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Aug 2025, 17:28
#14
19 Aug 2025, 17:28#14

Also he might get in trouble from the sport’s Ministerium. The starting team and the bench is a bit on the pale side:)


That bench pack looks better than the starting pack. Bongo drums is not there KC.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2025, 17:43
#15
19 Aug 2025, 17:43#15

SB


Mostert can be effective at the breakdown.


You really are a funny guy - Mostert gets pushed off the ball by oppoisition backline players at breakdwns and is total shit in thathase of play, .


Thw 1st test team was shit in capital letters. but this one has some improvements.


However, Van Staaden is dumb muscle and a match loser supreme. I do not like wat Erasms sis doing iro of the ful lback as well - but hoope we saw the last of dumb-muscle Esterhuizen as well.


And then we have the prolbem at full back. Fassi return from being a sur player to becoming a super shit player after his injury. Willie is th wrong way to go




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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2025, 17:43
#16
19 Aug 2025, 17:43#16

SB


Mostert can be effective at the breakdown.


You really are a funny guy - Mostert gets pushed off the ball by oppoisition backline players at breakdwns and is total shit in thathase of play, .


Thw 1st test team was shit in capital letters. but this one has some improvements.


However, Van Staaden is dumb muscle and a match loser supreme. I do not like wat Erasms sis doing iro of the ful lback as well - but hoope we saw the last of dumb-muscle Esterhuizen as well.


And then we have the prolbem at full back. Fassi return from being a sur player to becoming a super shit player after his injury. Willie is th wrong way to go




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AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
19 Aug 2025, 18:00
#17
19 Aug 2025, 18:00#17

CM I presume you would rather wish Moerat to be include instead of Mostert?





MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Aug 2025, 18:02
#18
19 Aug 2025, 18:02#18

Oh goodness does anyone else feel like puking when Uncle Tit Mike speaks?!


Do us a favour and keep your absolute BS to yourself…shove it where the sun don’t shine!!:)

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Aug 2025, 18:10
#19
19 Aug 2025, 18:10#19

Just noticed it, so hard remembering the 1000 players that Rassie has picked

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
19 Aug 2025, 18:35
#20
19 Aug 2025, 18:35#20

I would so damn pissed if I were AE.


The look of this team tells you that after a season and a half of "experimenting", Rassie has no clue what his best side is.


We'll probably scape by on Saturday and then, oh my word, we are gonna get hammered in NZ.


Why can our best lock combo not just start a game together? It's like he's allergic to having Eben and RG starting...why!?


Lol and the only new back is trusts is Moodie, who has been there for numerous seasons already.


Anyway, this backline is the one he was always going to select for New Zealand.


Schmidt had the luxury of knowing that Rassie will go completely back into his shell and insist on the Boks kicking literally everything.





SH
sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
19 Aug 2025, 19:04
#21
19 Aug 2025, 19:04#21

The Pollard/Delande axis suggests a kicking game and keeping it tight.


Looks like Tony Brown has been downgraded to orange peeler and bag carrier.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 19:13
#22
19 Aug 2025, 19:13#22

Makes perfect sense DA is starting

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Aug 2025, 19:32
#23
19 Aug 2025, 19:32#23

If Erasmus thinks he will win another WC firstly with old guys and secondly with Rassie ball, he has a massive wake up call coming.


His strange selections, back and forth game plans, makes him untrustworthy. This is turning out to be a bit of a clown show:)


I am slowly but surely realising that the chances are good, that we might be mauled by the AB, Frenchies and Ireland if Dr.Lucky carries on with this shit show….

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Aug 2025, 19:44
#24
19 Aug 2025, 19:44#24

The loose trio is erm shall we say......too loose. The team itself is a disjointed mix match. Faf is a man for the occasion would have brought him back.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 19:49
#25
19 Aug 2025, 19:49#25

Yeah crap loose trio other than JL du Preez but even he is out of position at 8 when he is a 7


v Staaden is just plain shit as is Mostert


Mostert has always been a complete failure at 7


Why can’t Kwagga start at 6


Cobus Wiese, JL du Preez, Vincent Tsituka, Ruan Venter and Ludwig are all better options at 7 than powder puff Mostert


Why is Roos not at 8

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
19 Aug 2025, 20:08
#26
19 Aug 2025, 20:08#26

I am loving all the panic coming from you guys but no way am I writing the Boks off when they come over here.


If we don't get the classic 10 man Bok rugby when you turn up I will eat my hat and from the looks of our backs we will be playing Bok rugby as well.


Can't bloody wait for it as we have a tight 5 that for once is superior to your lot and we have depth. (6-2 split on the bench)


Go the Wobblies (can't see them winning but I gave them no chance at all last week either)

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 20:14
#27
19 Aug 2025, 20:14#27

Your tightfive better than ours - fucking dream on


Ox Marx Wilco Eben and RG have nothing to match them - not even close

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Aug 2025, 20:19
#28
19 Aug 2025, 20:19#28

Why is Roos not at 8

Ja, that's the question I forgot to ask.

A loose trio that has no appetite for the ruck...Aii!

Oh hang on....good old Mostert to make a standout appearance!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 20:27
#29
19 Aug 2025, 20:27#29

Fucking useless Mostert will still be there when he is 40


DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Aug 2025, 20:47
#30
19 Aug 2025, 20:47#30

The side reeks of desperation, the loose trio is a clueless selection and Willie going forward does not inspire. Can't believe he's left out Roos.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Aug 2025, 21:07
#31
19 Aug 2025, 21:07#31

His treatment of Roos is insulting

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Aug 2025, 21:55
#32
19 Aug 2025, 21:55#32

Boks by >15

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Aug 2025, 22:48
#33
19 Aug 2025, 22:48#33

The Ozzies are full of confidence….Boks will most probably play Stampkar deluxe and Joe Schmidt has a plan for that I am sure.


Close score ( Hoping that we at least win by 20 to 30 points)

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2025, 10:05
#34
20 Aug 2025, 10:05#34

Last week NZ bookies had SA at $1.10 & Australia $6.50

this week;

Rugby Union odds are up for today's matches at TAB NZ. Place your bets ... South Africa. vs. Australia. South Africa 1.25. Australia 3.80

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
20 Aug 2025, 10:13
#35
20 Aug 2025, 10:13#35
Rassie Erasmus dismisses ‘personal issues’ with Evan Roos after initial Springboks snub

Jared Wright 13 Jun 2025 2:12 PM



Rassie Erasmus has rubbished reports that there is a personal issue with Evan Roos.

Springboks head coach Rassie Erasmus has dismissed claims that Evan Roos was overlooked due to personal issues.

The Stormers back-rower was not selected in the first official Springboks squad of the year, with the snub shocking many supporters and pundits.

Erasmus selected the likes of Juarno Augustus, Jasper Wiese and Cameron Hanekom as the specialist number eights with several other utility options.

Roos‘ snub garnered much attention in the media, which led to reports that he was not called up because of a personal issue.

Erasmus famously stated that he wanted to select the ‘right players’ and not just the ‘best players’ for the Springboks, with those called up to the squad needing to park their egos.

Evan Roos’ snub explained

But the Boks head coach has confirmed that Roos was only omitted from the squad for rugby reasons as the selectors believed that he wasn’t performing as well as the other number eights that were included.

With Hanekom sustaining an injury against the Sharks in the URC semi-final and uncapped forward Augustus also sidelined with an injury, Roos was simply the next man up, Erasmus confirmed.

“I saw the things that people wrote, but if you speak to Evan, he will tell you there is no personal issue,” he told reporters.

“Sometimes, we all differ on opinions on who plays well and who doesn’t, and sometimes the guy is my all means Springboks standard, but at this stage, he is just competing with guys.

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“That’s why Evan has been drafted in now, Cameron is injured and Juarno Augustus hasn’t passed his exit medical test at Northampton so he is out too.

“That is why Evan has been called up. From the selectors’ opinion, Evan wasn’t playing as well as the others. That’s normally the reason why we won’t select guys and that’s not to say that he is not Springbok level or can’t play for the Boks; it is just that Kwagga Smith can play eight, so can Cameron, Juarno, Siya Kolisi and we have about five guys who can play seven flanker.”

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He added: “Sometimes, it’s not that the guy isn’t good enough, it’s just that at that stage there are two or three other guys that are not necessarily better rugby players but they might fit into what we are trying to do as the Springboks. How we attack, defend and what we do in the lineouts and so on.

“Maybe it just doesn’t fit that player and maybe the other guys a little bit more settled those ways. We have all those injuries and now Evan is the next guy in.

“I watched the Bulls game live and I saw Cameron’s hamstring go and from that evening I called Evan through Charles our manager and told him you are flying tomorrow.”

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
20 Aug 2025, 10:54
#36
20 Aug 2025, 10:54#36

What is bok rugby?


We know with Rassie since the Stormers days it always has been a very defensive oriantated game with big forwards and a sprinkle of a brilliant back beaten players one one one. Have ever seen a team under Rassie actually score of set play.


I looked at Australia again, their ball skills were sublime, the stayed calm and the knew where the spaces were.


Look at that pass from Bell, Ebenezer was the main culprit on multiple occasions, shooting out of the line. The prop hold the line and just did a short pass to the 8 that went straight through. Then Jorgenson break from the wing. The whole team shoots up, we are in their half, one simple loop pass to Jorgenson over Arendse or Van Der Merwe (Couldn't tell the difference), over his head with no threat of intercept and such an easy run as the only defender, WILLEMSE, couldn't even make a tackle and he just ran on his week shoulder and straight to the line.


Aus didn't play brilliantly but the played with maturity and energy.


Where as our guys under Libbok and Willemse just want to play fiesta rugby. There was no sense of calm in the team and no dominance.


Don't get me started on Bongi missing all those throws to Sous. Criminal.


The problem is, all Rassies go to guys are too old now, they don't have the fitness and Rassie thinning out the squad so that he can extend these players careers.


It work with Brits and Deon, but even in the last World Cup these guys looked really tired and Libbok imploded as per usual, this is the 2nd season after the World Cup and he still picking libbok.


Time to invest in a 3rd 10, but for now he has to stick with Pollard and Sasha.



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