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Bok side is very good but could be better

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Aug 2022, 22:05
#1
11 Aug 2022, 22:05#1
Tough one is fullback where Willemse has taken over from Willie who appears not done with yet. Willemse has been an investment by the coaches, a very gifted and gritty player. Unfortunately fullback is not his best position, inside centre is and he looks to have settled nicely at test level. Certainly come of age. His strength is creating for himself, which is why 15 is not ideal for him. Willie creates for those around him and this was vital to the Boks as we witness Willie having a hand in most of the Boks attacking play. The closest we have to Willie is Gelant - he was simply sensational for the Stormers this season, creating for those around him. In fact I thought he took Willie’s skills to the next level. His ability to sun up, pause then create was brilliant. So for me I’d start Gelant at fullback. That creates a problem with what to do with Willemse. Utility player off the bench specialising at inside centre. de Allende is a class act at 12 for the Boks despite what many think. I understand his role in the trenches of test rugby and he is a master at it. While he mostly takes the direct route, with Willemse he will try attack space - which gives us variety at 12. Faf, Pollard, de Allende, Am, Mapimpi and Kolbe are our best with the likes of Hendrikse, Jantjies, Jantjies, Esterhuizen, Kriel, Nkosi, Fassi and Willie providing the depth. Kitshoff and Marx are the worlds best in their respective positions so obviously should start. Malherbe is an unsung hero at tighthead, providing security and stability. But the Sharks front row with Ox at loosehead and Thomas at tighthead were the most dominant at scrum time in the URC. Thomas has completed his transition to tighthead and brings with his dominant scrummaging, a real knack at turning ball over. He is up there with Kitshoff in this department So a front row of Kitshoff, Marx and Thomas gives you a dominant scrummaging unit and 3 brilliant exponents over the ball. Lood has been great and I am a huge fan, but RG Snyman is next level. RG partnering Eben is simply mouth watering. Kolisi and PSDT are the best in their positions. Vermeulen is now an old man so his time is up. Unfortunately the coaches have earmarked Wiese as his replacement. He is strong, carries well and has plenty of heart. He lacks skill and finesse. In Roos we have the same physicality and heart but with the added advantage of skill, finesse and a good rugby brain. It’s disappointing that loyalty dictates that the coaches for now will stick with the conservative selection of Wiese, selling us short in missing out on the sensational skills of Roos Ox, Malherbe, Wilco Louw, Nyakane, Mbonambi, Dweba, Lood, Wiese and Kwagga provide depth My improved Bok side would be: 15. Gelant 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Thomas 4. Etzebeth 5. RG Snyman 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Roos 16. Mbonambi 17. Ox 18. Wilco Louw 19. Lood 20. Kwagga 21. Hendrikse 22. Willemse 23. Kriel
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
11 Aug 2022, 22:44
#2
11 Aug 2022, 22:44#2

I would give Willemse a crack @ 12 and play DDA of the bench....Frans is still strong in the scrum, but his mobility is compromised in comparison to Thomas....but a scrum unit of Kitzie, Marx and Wilco would stand better....not that Thomas is Weak, but not a specialist tighthead like Frans or Wilco....Roos should atleast play of the bench....just like Marx is not starting, the fact that Vermeulen is starting, makes no sense...Wiese or Roos should be getting the game time to settle more in there incumbent roles....and don't forget Elrigh....Gelant is good but Willie to my surprise, is still gunning, but ok Gelant can start,  with Willie as impact player....Kriel is not good anymore, so why R&N will waste a cap instead of Moody is also a bit short sighted....I am still trying to find the Contributions he made in the games he played so far?? Hendrickse @ 9 is just in better Form Than Faf and doing well....Kolisi and Stef must still reach there required form....but most of the 2019 WC Squad will be chosen, regardless of form.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Aug 2022, 23:10
#3
11 Aug 2022, 23:10#3
No way in hell is de Allende being benched. Without de Allende at 12 the Boks are fucked. Willemse will not get the same go forward You guys just don’t understand this simple fact about the modern game and the Bok game plan. The Bok game plan requires a big physical 12 - you guys just don’t get it You are completely wrong about Thomas as 3 he is a real force at tighthead now. You need to move on from the naive take that he is still a loosehead - move on. He has taken a few seasons to transition and now he is the business Wiese would not smell my side ahead of Roos, Dan du Preez, Marcel Coetzee or Elrigh Louw. Add Jaco Coetzee as well
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
11 Aug 2022, 23:43
#4
11 Aug 2022, 23:43#4

The Willemse fad is going to be the next I told you so. This dud has been super shit but I suppose that's how you fucks like them. He'll probably be an 80 cap Block before you retards start complaining about him like you do De Lindy. But like I've seen already... you won't admit you got it wrong you'll just tell me he was like Beauden Barrett but then suddenly became not like Beauden Barrett XD!

The front row just ain't what it was. Kit's... Malherbie have dipped a lot. Noone of them can play more than 40. So it's been a shitty. Kwagga, Eben, Kolisi in patches and Marx at the breakdown have been the real pillars of the pack. Nothing else happening. The backline is a total bust. Hendrikse is the real fund though which makes the rest of the backs REALLY look shit because his service was actually pretty fucking good!

It's really up to the Kiwis... the Blocks can't defend, can't carry it up and look fucking confused when they find space. Really poor skills. Can't imagine what the next big idea is from Erasmus it's to get them plodding along. Don't envy his job! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Aug 2022, 00:13
#5
12 Aug 2022, 00:13#5
YAWN
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Aug 2022, 00:44
#6
12 Aug 2022, 00:44#6

Mrs Searle must be that idiot with a dozen user names - who fled from this site every time ehe has succeeded in making a total idiot of himself.   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Aug 2022, 05:39
#7
12 Aug 2022, 05:39#7

No Maaik,.. it's Red Rose in drag...a mole in disguise. 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Aug 2022, 07:03
#8
12 Aug 2022, 07:03#8

The only mole here is the big fucker on the end of Mike's long nose! Hahaha! We call it Holy Moley. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
12 Aug 2022, 08:01
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12 Aug 2022, 08:01#9
Lol Saffex DDA was holding his hands up and apologising to the guys after that grubber…meaning the man himself knew that he’d taken the wrong option. And it tells us that when it comes to Damian, your bias clouds your judgement. I’m in agreement with most of you other selections but i’d have Roos at 6 and Wiese at 8.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Aug 2022, 09:07
#10
12 Aug 2022, 09:07#10

Shame, Stupid ... is that honestly your best Goats side?

I see Elton is back in the mix ... and the useless Quota Kolisi is sill at 6 and probably your captain.

Gelant??? Seriously??

Jesse Kriel? 

Oh dear!!! What a mess!!



DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
12 Aug 2022, 09:39
#11
12 Aug 2022, 09:39#11

Huge mistake benching Marx.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Aug 2022, 10:03
#12
12 Aug 2022, 10:03#12

The proof of quota selections still being applied is Marx. Great pity.

Allende didn't necessarily take the wrong option but the execution was off.

One should always try options that could work. I would like to see Willemse given a shot at 12. That is not saying Allende is doing a bad job. But Willemse is a different type of player and could be quite creative at 12. 

Explore your options, have a plan B



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Aug 2022, 10:29
#13
12 Aug 2022, 10:29#13

Ja Beenz...it'll be interesting to see what he can do there if the game opens up a bit.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
12 Aug 2022, 11:07
#14
12 Aug 2022, 11:07#14

Agreed Draad. With Willie at 15 and Damian at 12 things could get interesting. 

I always regret Cheslin not being tried at scumhalf. 

Tell me there is noflair in this bckline:

Kolbe, Pollard, Mpimpi, Damian, AM, Nkosi and W illie.



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Aug 2022, 11:13
#15
12 Aug 2022, 11:13#15

It's fucking obvious... Pollard needs to be moved to 12. There's your fucking answer it was there all along. Jantjies at 10. Bobs your aunty.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Aug 2022, 12:36
#16
12 Aug 2022, 12:36#16

That's disappointing.

I actually though you had a bit of savvy when it came to rugby, Mrs Searle.

Turns out you're as ignorant as Stupid Dave.

He sang Jantjies praises for years on end ... until one day ... he did a 180 and admitted that he was wrong ... that Jantjies is a liability to any and every rugby side he lpays for. 

Note to self ... disregard anything Saggy Tits has to say about rugby related issues.



MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
12 Aug 2022, 14:30
#17
12 Aug 2022, 14:30#17

I never said he is great, we have to work with the shit we have at hand. Polly is shit and getting shitter. But he is a nice physical runner and he can pass... all the things de Lindy can't fucking do. Do you really trust quota Willemse at 12? Fuck me CC! Take that as literally as you want... don't need Bilbo's permission. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Aug 2022, 18:10
#18
12 Aug 2022, 18:10#18
Plum I have no bias towards DA, I’m with Rassie on him and I appreciate what he does for the Boks You dumb fools seriously just don’t get it. I watched the test again last night and DA was very good. That kick could have stayed in field is probably why he held his hand up. As the commentator said he kicked as his path to passing out wide was hindered by a defender plus the defence was adequate to cover Am and Mapimpi DA is a class act, without him the Boks have no go forward at 12 - stick Willemse there and we go backwards As for dropping the impressive Kolisi at 6 to play Roos out of position at 6 that is just plain stupid. As is retaining dumb muscle Wiese at 8
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
12 Aug 2022, 18:56
#19
12 Aug 2022, 18:56#19

Good how.

To be good at rugby, one must start playing rugby.

One thing SA rugby teams are unable to deliver.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Aug 2022, 19:28
#20
12 Aug 2022, 19:28#20
Oh fuck off how the hell do we achieve the results we do without playing - fuck me you lot are seriously delusional or just plain stupid
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Aug 2022, 21:32
#21
12 Aug 2022, 21:32#21

Trolling...conformist of note...how boring things would be if everyone and everything were the same...but hate is a cruel master, né Trad?

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
12 Aug 2022, 22:07
#22
12 Aug 2022, 22:07#22

Trad to be honest if the Springboks had been able to select players on merit I am sure they would have been a much better team over the past number of seasons.

But most of us as supporters have had to suffer the pain of watching players who are not top class players wearing the HONOURED Springbok jersey and not being able to deliver at play time.

Sad as that was and still is we have stood by the Green and Gold and supported them even when losing.

Here is a suggestion that you could take to your ANC government.

Let the SARU select two 15 man teams with replacements. One consisting of white players and the other team players of color and let them play and use this as a final selection for the Springbok team.

If all 23 players selected are players of color we would support them but if they are all white would or could you?

Over 30 years and you guys are still stuck in the past.

Sport is played to win and enjoy irrespective of colour.

Get with it .


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Aug 2022, 21:04
#23
13 Aug 2022, 21:04#23

So tell me, Stupid ... Do you still think your Goats are a very good team?


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