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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 10:49
#1
18 Jun 2024, 10:49#1
15. Fassi 14. Edwill vd Merwe 13. Jessie Kriel 12. Esterhuizen 11. Mapimpi 10. Hendrikse 9. Faf 1. Ox 2. Marx 3. Koch 4. Etzebeth 5. Mostert 6. Kwagga 7. PSDT (c) 8. Roos 16. Bongi 17. Mchunu 18. Malherbe 19. Moerat 20. Ben Jason Dixon 21. Williams 22. Sacha 23. de Allende
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2024, 10:54
#2
18 Jun 2024, 10:54#2

Thanks Dave

I said intitially that  Du Toit would be captain in this test - as per normal my comments were 100% correct.  

I think that Esterhuizen is in the squad to give him another chance on test level - but I think his selection would kill the backline.   

By the way Gooen had a brilliant game against Leinster and I think he is also available as a backup flyhalf when needed by the Springboks.      

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 11:16
#3
18 Jun 2024, 11:16#3
Bullshit man Esterhuizen is awesome why you don’t rate him is beyond comprehension It sounds as ignorant as all the fools on here not rating de Allende Esterhuizen is by far the best 12 playing rugby in the NH - he literally makes the team of the week most weeks
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jun 2024, 12:13
#4
18 Jun 2024, 12:13#4

Ja Maaik...you predicted his captaincy for this match...I'm surprised he picked a overseas player as a once off captain...but I'm really glad for PSDT.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jun 2024, 14:41
#5
18 Jun 2024, 14:41#5
Happy for Hendrikse, Sacha, Fassi , Edwill and Ben….let’s hope Fassi worked on his defence. He surely is a dangerous runner with ball in hand…AE is obviously a strong contender for the 12 spot and younger than DDA…besides that the man is a better off loader….Mchunu is not a real power house scrummager and not sure about him….why Ruben van heerden is not there but Moerat, is stupid….the man out performs Moerat with his left pinkie….the Loose trio will be interesting to watch….Pieter will make a good captain and he still has a lot of play in him left compared to Kollisi….the Boks should win this one ….Go Bokke !!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jun 2024, 15:01
#6
18 Jun 2024, 15:01#6

Clearly Erasmus really rates Mostert. Hendrikse at 10 is an interesting call, I hope he plays a bit with Williams. And Esterhozen is a massive step up on Dud. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jun 2024, 15:44
#7
18 Jun 2024, 15:44#7
I agree Moz…Franco deserves his starting and also all the other times to….off course we are going to hear that it’s because of injuries, but we know better….it’s because Mostert is a beast that just carries on and on….good line out option, defence and general play is rock solid ….and as tough as nails, a dependable warrior!!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 19:18
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18 Jun 2024, 19:18#8
Esterhuizen is no step up to de Allende what utter bullshit There are only 3 locks in the squad so we have to endure powder puff until the Irish series when hopefully Rassie wakes up to RG starting instead of fucking useless Mostert He is the only real let down in the side against Wales Fuck me Ruben v Heerden is twice the player Mostert is
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jun 2024, 19:37
#9
18 Jun 2024, 19:37#9

Dave I burst out laughing reading your idea of Esterhozen outside Dud. Put the best offloading center outside a center who doesn’t offload…brilliant!

Obviously the genius totally disagrees with you on Mostert.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 19:45
#10
18 Jun 2024, 19:45#10
Yes Rassie’s one big failing is playing the physically inept Mostert for as long as he has. The guy is useless where it counts He has also completely missed the boat with the du Preez twins and Jason Jenkins but I’m guessing we can’t expect our genius coach to be perfect I’d rather see Esterhuizen at 13 than Kriel in a one off test Ultimately we need to be moving on from de Allende, Kriel, Esterhuizen and Am - thankfully we have the likes of Moodie, Willemse, David Kriel, Hooker, Jordan Hendrikse, Henco v Wyk, Rickus Pretorious, Jorenzo Julius and Bruce Sherwood as the next generation.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jun 2024, 19:51
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18 Jun 2024, 19:51#11

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 19:58
#12
18 Jun 2024, 19:58#12
Blob your contribution is about as insightful as my morning dump
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:05
#13
18 Jun 2024, 20:05#13

Grow up, stop behaving like a stink drolletjie.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:07
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18 Jun 2024, 20:07#14

In Erastopia all a 13 needs to do is rush up quickly on the opposing 13….clearly not Esterhozen’s long suit. And as we saw with Mo’unga embarrassing Dud, we can’t rely on Dud’s instincts at 13.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:13
#15
18 Jun 2024, 20:13#15
It’s against Wales Moz - have you seen the centres they have selected?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:14
#16
18 Jun 2024, 20:14#16
Blob fuck off you waste of space go post your pathetic little pictures on a pre school site
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:20
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18 Jun 2024, 20:20#17
Look I know that the Bulls players are unavailable for selection right now, but the worrying part is that Rassie has not picked a perfect 13 like David Kriel in any of his alignment camps?? Henco is unluckily out for 5 months….so it looks set that Rassie will continue with the older players….for how long is the question?? Van Heerden is far better than Moerat and Lood put together…we all know why Mostert is there….Some of Rassie,s choices are yet again unexplainable and doesn’t make any sense??
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:28
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18 Jun 2024, 20:28#18
Moerat is far better than Mostert Lood with his arms tied behind his back is better than fucking useless Mostert It’s an absolute travesty that David Kriel has not been to an alignment camp when a player like Hooker has. Hooker looks good but has not come close to making the impression Kriel has this year Chalk and cheese
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
18 Jun 2024, 20:36
#19
18 Jun 2024, 20:36#19

Really good team, as per usual. I have some questions on certain players but glad to see that he didn't pick 14 rookies like he did in the past. 

Marx is a risk given that this is his first game in 9 months and wonder whether they are rushing him. I would let him join the end of year tour and allow him more time to recover. Probably don't rate Dwebe. 

Hendrikse hardly played at 10 for the lions and will now sit behind Masuka at the sharks, but he showed some good form the the lions and versatility. Apparently he is a better kicker than Libbok. 

Mpimpi is questionable and probably don't need him at all but with all our front line wingers injured we probably need the experience 



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 21:17
#20
18 Jun 2024, 21:17#20
Given Kolbe, Arendse and Moodie are out it made sense to play Mapimpi who has been in good enough form for the Sharks Add that to the fact that Zas is injured and Green and Tambwe are not available I really like the look of Hendrikse as a player - has muscled up nicely and showed some power playing 12 for the Lions - plenty of skill there as well but it’s a strange call he has been selected ahead of Libbok, Masuku and Sacha Great to see Ben Jason Dixon getting capped he is a great prospect at 7 in the PSDT mould Edwill vd Merwe is another Kolbe and Arendse - also muscled up to a respectable size that punches way above his weight. Also great that the very gifted Sacha will be capped given he has an English father and Eddie had expressed interest in him not long before departing I really feel for Gelant, Masuku, Nohamba and Ruben v Heerden who all deserved a spot in the 23 Gelant at 15 with Fassi on the wing. Williams starting with Nohamba on the bench. Ruben v Heerden ahead of useless Mostert
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 21:52
#21
18 Jun 2024, 21:52#21
Travelling reserves are Libbok, Horn, Hooker, Fouche, Andre Hugo Venter, RG Snyman and Buthelezi
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jun 2024, 22:30
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18 Jun 2024, 22:30#22
No Ruben instead of Moerat or Lood….these 2 players do not come close to Mostert as they are mostly injured …..honestly what is the use of so called good locks but they are mostly injured?? Besides being injury prone, there is absolutely no concrete video evidence showing how good they are….If you like it or not, Mostert will out perform these 2 until he is 40!!!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2024, 22:40
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18 Jun 2024, 22:40#23
Mostert is fucking useless so any lock is better than that physical liability Lood is twice the player. Moerat is physical so better as are Ruben v Heerden, Ruan Vermaak, Andre Smith, Jason Jenkins, Ruben Schoeman, JD Schickerling, Walt Steenkamp, Corne Rahl, Emile v Heerden, JF v Heerden, Reinhardt Ludwig and Conor Evans All real locks - little 110kg Mostert is an insult
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
18 Jun 2024, 22:56
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18 Jun 2024, 22:56#24
Honestly Dave, everything I mean everything you say about Mostert, is contrary to what is actually happening on the Rugby field….guys like Mostert is the Foundation for the Boks success in there WC glories…and Tassels sees it the same way….Facts that is undeniable if you look at games without bias. And bye the way, he is 112kg of pure Warrior!
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becsPro4,378 posts
18 Jun 2024, 23:22
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18 Jun 2024, 23:22#25

I see the Welsh team in it’s entirety has one less Cap than Etzebeth…….

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2024, 00:02
#26
19 Jun 2024, 00:02#26

Dave did you watch Snyman against Glasgow ?

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Jun 2024, 04:42
#27
19 Jun 2024, 04:42#27

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Jun 2024, 05:13
#28
19 Jun 2024, 05:13#28

Lood with his arms tied behind his back is better than fucking useless Mostert

You can't tie Lood's arms behind his back, his shoulders will pop out.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2024, 09:11
#29
19 Jun 2024, 09:11#29
No Moz I did not see the game I did record it
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2024, 09:15
#30
19 Jun 2024, 09:15#30
Mpower everything I say about Mostert is true - he is physically inept - all you ignorant fools see is heart and energy and loads of process tackles being made - hardly the measure of a Bok lock now is it. I want to see our Bok locks add grunt to the scrums, mauls, rucks, maul defences, I want to see them take contact with ball in hand pushing defenders back, I want to see big dominant tackles and big clean outs Mostert is not capable of doing any of that because he lacks physicality if you can’t see that you are either blind or rugby ignorant
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2024, 09:50
#31
19 Jun 2024, 09:50#31

Dave

What about ball protection and recovery by he players - where Mostert is not a factor at all.   He has never turned over  ball possssion by the Springboks in such cases because even backline players pushed him off the ball and that cause ball loses by the Springboks.

That deficiency to my mind is the worst component of Mostert during test games and show up his deficiency as a Tight five player especially. 

As to Esterhuizen I think maybe I am prejudiced against him - but it goes abck to 2014 when he caused the loss off the Under 20 final by knocking on a ball with an open tryline ahead of him.  That caused he SA under 20 to lose the final with a 1 point difference.   I also saw him playing for the Sharks subsequently and he certainly was not a house on fire.  I have not seen much of  Esterhuizen in subsequent yars and where he played in the Wales test in 2018 he made meters in ball carries - but at the end of each carry he lost possession of the ball and the Springboks were put on the back foot.      

However, I accept that playing in the UK in matchs I neve watched  he may be better than I think he really is and accept your opinion on him at present.         

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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Jun 2024, 12:30
#32
19 Jun 2024, 12:30#32

So you have been telling us Esterhozen is useless….but you haven’t watched him play one club game up north. As for the nonsense about Mostert being useless in the rucks. He is the first player to the ball time and time again. And show me a lock that powers through the rucks. Dud Toit certainly doesn’t, and as a flank never, ever, turns over a ball

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2024, 13:21
#33
19 Jun 2024, 13:21#33
PSDT makes a metre or so in contact like any real forward does, something useless Mostert is incapable of doing as he is so scrawny Blindsides don’t turnover ball for fuck sake Moz - geez it’s embarrassing seeing you banging on about a 2m tall player not effecting turnovers Name a 2m tall player that regularly effects turnovers huh?
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jun 2024, 13:58
#34
19 Jun 2024, 13:58#34
Well on one of the Videos that Blob was kind enough to post, thanks Blob, you see a Cameron Hanekom 1.93m effecting great turn overs….so although it’s more difficult for a taller player, it is possible. And the loose trio 6,7 and 8 should all be able to effect turnovers, if needed from them.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jun 2024, 14:24
#35
19 Jun 2024, 14:24#35

Shit from Mozart - Mostert may be first at breakdowns and that is where he is pushed out of rucks by backline players.  When Mostert make tackles opponents go forward - when good forward tight 5 members defend  the opposing player carrying the ball does not go  forward - in the case of Mostert they do - making  it easier to recover balls from them.   

There is a huge difference between Du Toit and Mostert - Du Toit is a key player with ball sense and have contributed to SA winning the 2019 and 2023 WC's.  In 2019 he was Player of he Year and in 2023 the final match Player of the Match.   So show me the difference - Mostert at best is a fringe player for the Springboks and the best he can do is to be somwtimes on the bench.    

By the way I do not watch club matches in the NH regularly unless it involves SA teams.   There is one thing I believe in and that is there are differences between playing in club matches and in tests.   There are many examples where players do well on club level an fail on test level.   

In the case of his test the Welsh team is not the strongest one around - so selection of Mostert is not based on performances to be expected from him when tests are played against  top international teams.   Fact is I think Mostert will by the end of this season be out of contention for test team selection.

              

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jun 2024, 15:23
#36
19 Jun 2024, 15:23#36
Ok pls show us any kind of video evidence of the utter BS you guys are sprouting about Mostert….pushed back by Backline players out of a Ruck or that opponents go forward when he tackles them??
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
19 Jun 2024, 16:10
#37
19 Jun 2024, 16:10#37

Players going forward in tackles is the most normal thing in rugby.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2024, 16:46
#38
19 Jun 2024, 16:46#38
Mpower stop being a stupid prick - big difference between Hanekom and PSDT size wise you idiot
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Jun 2024, 17:17
#39
19 Jun 2024, 17:17#39
Cameron Hanekom 110 kg, 1,93m and Pieter is 115kg, 2 m That is not such a big difference…so your argument is dumb as you and your groupies are not laying actual facts down….all you have is insults which is not evidence but showing that you throwing your toys out the cot because you have been proven wrong time and time again….also still waiting on actual video evidence that proves how useless Mostert is?? Yet again you embarrassing yourself ….only a dumb, narcissistic fool will always think he is right and the rest is wrong….grow the fuck up you Baby : )
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Jun 2024, 18:34
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19 Jun 2024, 18:34#40
Listen here you fucking stupid ignorant prick huge difference in build when it comes to PSDT and Hanekom you idiot 115lg my arse - try 120kg and 2m Now try fucking wake up and compare like for like Answer this question fuckwit - do you see Eben, Lood, Mostert, Kleyn or RG effecting turnovers huh? Do you? Do me a favour don’t comment on rugby matters as you are fucking clueless Comparing Hanekom to PSDT - what a joke 6’6 vs 6’3
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