15 Willie le Roux, 14 Makazole Mapimpi, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Siya Kolisi (captain), 6 Francois Louw, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Tendai Mtawarira
Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Thomas du Toit, 19 Marvin Orie, 20 Marco van Staden, 21 Embrose Papier, 22 Lionel Mapoe, 23 Damian Willemse
I think Mostert is super unlucky here. The best SA lock in Super Rugby statistically, and Marvin Orie gets included ahead of him??? Marvin Who??? Du Toit, RG Snyman also very unlucky they were born white.
I am glad I don't see Jantjies there though. I guess we need to celebrate the little things.
5 Black guys in the starting lineup and 5 on the bench.
No real surprises in the team, I am not sure what happened to Louw - but this year he was not really the powerhouse in Super Rugby and tests he was supposed to be. Outside of scrumming he was pretty quiet all the time.
I think the choice was between Jantjies and Willemse on the bench and I at least rate Willemse higher than Jantjies.
At center Am was totally ineffective in the June test he played in and I cannot see him being more effective in the RC tests, He was totally useless in defense and the problem will not go away. I think he will get another chance at 13 and if he fails again - he will not last into the rest of the RC/
The loosie combination is weak and Louw in particular is the weak link at 6 - he si too slow in pace for that position. Also a doubt if he would last in the RC.
Orie is a joke as a lock and I would say he is chosen ahead of Mostert as a quota pick. I do not think the latter was a better lock than Du Toit in the SR series - the facts prove otherwise,
The back 3 have some promise, but can the centres bring them into the game? If not, we will need to win through the forwards and Faf. Eben must bring his A game. Boks to win, but the potential for a collapse is there.
Am and Esterhuizen have been frot for the Boks. Esterhuizen has looked disinterested which came as a surprise after a good Super rugby campaign. He had better get going or he will ship out. Likewise the passive Am who has some pace but again has had no fire. Shape up guys don't waste you chances lest you find yourself shipping out!!
Orie is pure quota.
Not my loose trio but there is some pace with Whiteley and Kolisi so keeping an open mind.
So Malherbe got tighthead nod. This position needs somebody to step up. So very important game for Frans and we wish him well.
I do not think there will be a collapse like happened in Nelspruit in 2015. After all the team is better than Meyer's junk picks - with the exception of the centers and the loosies, I think sooner rather than later De Allende and Kriel will be back at center.
The problem will be that the Pumas have a classy loosie combination that will wipe the floor with especially Kolisi and Louw. That is where the real weakness is in the team.
I agree. There is no Lambie, Damian, Kriel, Lood, Koch, Reinach etc.
Ag - the poor moron cannot get over his pet hates and that remains a fact. De Jager is a top class loosie - even Meyer in the end supported him ahead of Matfield and he was top class in the RC this year. De Allende was way ahead of Esterhuizen - in the RC as well as the June tests.
The idiot did not even check - Pollard was the flyhalf in the Nelspruit game
The collapse in Nelspruit was caused by a failed loosie combination, Koch, the Du Plessis brothers and Etzebeth (who under-performed in that test) - up front the Springbok forwards could not match their counterparts of Argentina.
The backline problems started with Pienaar who made 42 passes and most of those were not to the flyhalf.- as to the same Meyer game plan (?) as was used in the WC. Mu st essentially always be a flop.
Malherbe makes one pine for Jannie. The best thing I can say about him is that his name sounds like a brand of cigarettes.
Jannie was much maligned, and it is true that his defence was poor. However, he was the only tighthead who could scrum. When Malherbe replaced him our scrums were a mess and we lost the platform for attack. There were several plays in the world cup which were ruined because the opposition got a good turn and their back row swarmed over our backs. When Jannie was on, this didn't happen.
Shezza
Your can never believe the BS written by AgainBSter. So forget about him to get any reasonable comment. Jannie was getting worse with years - by 2013 he was starting to go downhill fast and in the games where he was replaced by Malherbe our scrumming was vastly better,
There wasn't one example of Malherbe improving the scrum. Shall we look at the Scotland test in the world cup? Malherbe comes on, and Scotland wheel the ball away from the backs, which puts pressure on 9 and allows the back row to break on the ball. I can actually reference several specific instances, ca n you? No. That's the funny thing, you can never reference specifics.
Who gets to select their team? Jake had to hand in a permission slip for his team. Peter had more freedom, but only because he was expected to be an ANC puppet. He was incompetent though. It hasn't been an entirely easy. Take into consideration that we have so few good players, our coaches are hamstrung by too many variables outside of their control.
How the hell Rassie meets the non-negotiable 50% quota requirement next year boggles the mind
No Jantjies and Lambie has to be a plus going forward. There's not a lot of positives about the team, the loosie combo is average to poor and the centre pairing is poor. Home ground is the biggest plus.
Dawie has always had a better team, I don't know of a Bok coach who's met with his selections.
Mind you it has to be said that nothing ever came of his "class acts" eg Jantjies, JJ etc
The team selected is arguably compromised at wing, centre, halfback, frontrow, lock & the backrow ...... that apart, its an ok team, one that will probably win. The players aren't responsible for the political mire in which they're entrapped ..... I support em 100%, although, I sadly confess to having substantial diminished expectations.
Moz you miss the point, I rate both Esterhuizen and Am.....
Sounds about right too....are they class acts as well?
"about sum up your take on players."
Clever Mike, is that you?
AgainBSter
Go back to the Argentina tests in 2014 and 2015 - where Jannie Du Plessis and his co-prop was so poor they went backwards in scrums at jet speed. When Jannie was replaced by Malherbe the situation became stabilized and the scrumming improved.
That send Mozart into a tail sopin with leis coming up. It started with the Wales test - where Malherbe started at prop. Even relatively inexperienced His prop opponent was Jankins the starting prop in the previous B and I Lions. Fact is the scrums was a mess and Jenkins was penalized twice for taking the scrum down. The next scrum the referee clearly said he wa not sure about who was the culprit and as he gave two penalties to the Springboks he would now give the next one to Wales. That was followed by another scrum and after Jenkins took the scrum down again the ref issues a warning to both props he will card them if the scrum goes down again. . Malherbe was replaced by Oosthuizen and the scrum went down again woth the yellow card following.
Even though the indications all the time was that Jenkins was the problem - Mozart wrote a string of lies about what happened and in every test thereafter when Malherbe played and their was a problem on the other side of the scrum - for instance with Van de3r Merwe at 1 - he blamed Malherbe for the string of penalties that followed.
We know by then what Mozart's problem was - h a campaigning for Jannie to retain the number 3 spot and care not about the truthfulness of his allegations - a liar personified in fact/
Your longing for Janie is based on the BS you and Mozart spout on site, Keep it up - the more BS the funnier you two become.
How the hell Rassie meets the non-negotiable 50% quota requirement next year boggles the mind
The same way as usual : by not meeting the quota.
