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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 14:03
#1
13 Nov 2025, 14:03#1

15 Willemse 14 Edwil 13 Moodie 12 Hooker 11 Arendse 10 Pollard 9 vd Bergh 1 Boan Venter 2 Grobelaar 3 Porthen 4 Kleyn 5 Mostert 6 Kolisi 7 BJ Dixon 8 v Staaden


16 Steenkamp 17 Wilco 18 RG 19 Nortje 20 Esterhuizen 21 Kwagga 22 Williams 23 Libbok


Emphasise yet again how stupid the exclusion off Roos is - with v Staaden now suddenly an 8


Its bullshit

CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
13 Nov 2025, 14:09
#2
13 Nov 2025, 14:09#2

Good to see that midfield combo given a run.

I dont mind van Staaden at 8. He also fits the rassie mold and the rassie way. He will keep trying players in various positions.


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XaviPro1,924 posts
13 Nov 2025, 14:11
#3
13 Nov 2025, 14:11#3

Sjoe, how big of a doos must Evans ballie be?


No backup hooker so Van Staden to cover or Grobbies goes 80??

Overall not a bad side and everyone gets a tune up.



KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
13 Nov 2025, 14:15
#4
13 Nov 2025, 14:15#4

Note that there is no backup hooker. Looks like van Staden is the cover with two hybrid players. Marco covering 8 and 2. AE covering Centre and Flank. Willemse can cover most of the backline.


Happy with the backline, not so much with the pack.


Porthen gets another crack. Been impressed with him even though he is only 21 and a tighthead. We got Wilco and Stenekamp.


Boan gets another chance at loose head.


No Thomas Du Toit though

CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
13 Nov 2025, 14:28
#5
13 Nov 2025, 14:28#5

Maybe he'll try Nortje at hooker?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 15:13
#6
13 Nov 2025, 15:13#6

I don’t buy that shit - v Staaden is a dumb 6 he is not an 8’s backside - too stupid


What is also sad is that should have been a game where we had a young lock pair instead of 35 year old Mostert and 32 year old Kleyn. Both average players one a physical liability


Cobus Wiese, Ruan Vermaak, Andre Smith, Ruben v Heerden or JF v Heerden - take your pick

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Nov 2025, 15:20
#7
13 Nov 2025, 15:20#7

The Italians in the dressing room have to be asking if this team could beat the Ozzie team they beat last week. The French sent a B team to NZ because they weren’t ready to compete…we are playing a C team against Italy because that is going to hammer home the message of the red card win against France…ie you can’t beat us whoever we pick.


It’s a well seasoned bowl of curry.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Nov 2025, 15:48
#8
13 Nov 2025, 15:48#8

Dave


I tnk Van Staaden should be on the bench as a cover for Grobbelaar - a loosie he is not. The description that you gave is 100% correct. His line-out thow-ins is non-existent anyway.


If you want a shitlist of players that should not have been in the present squad it would include the following:-


Van Staaden, Mostert and Kleyn.



MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Nov 2025, 16:19
#9
13 Nov 2025, 16:19#9

Uncle, stop talking nonsense!

You and Porker are very quick to forget that Mostert was our go to man at 5 alongside Eben.


Together, they formed a formidable lock pairing that brought us double World Cup glory!


Say what you want about Mostert, but he’s a true team player who gave everything for the Boks.


Now you want to talk badly about a great Bok?? You’re the real fake supporters!!


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 16:41
#10
13 Nov 2025, 16:41#10

Hey fuckwit Mostert is as fucking useless as you are at anything relating to anything


Thick as pigshit

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Nov 2025, 16:49
#11
13 Nov 2025, 16:49#11

Exciting backline selected. Pollard should see them playing in the opposition half. Midfield pair both great under the high ball. Midfield up ad under by Pollard?

Personally, I cant see reason why six locks picked and Du Toit who is a very adequate locks. Could have left out Klein and picked Roos.

Also, with Hendricks banned and lood banned he could have called up Roos and Marnus to get in another specialist hooker?

Given the squad and the need to rest players it is a good team with insurance on the bench.

Are we seeing the future Bok center combo. Glad Edwil gets a shot. He is lightening fast.

Big test for Porthen.. all in all a very mobile pack suggesting an attacking approach.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Nov 2025, 17:07
#12
13 Nov 2025, 17:07#12

Well, Rassie is still selecting Mostert as he knows his worth. That alone, tells us exactly that you KNOW nothing!!


All you have are your insults from behind your keyboard. You’re not able to back up anything in person…we all know that.


You have a weak character and you’re a coward. I bet Rex, your Hereford bull, has more honour than you’ll ever have.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Nov 2025, 17:17
#13
13 Nov 2025, 17:17#13

Rassie would never select Mostert as a starter in key matches. He always was only selected at starting lock when other players like Snyman and De Jager was not available. By the way how mny tests did Mostert played in this year in which he started? May be wrong - but I do not think any.


Mostert was always a fringe player and only started when other locks were out with injury or not available.


. .,

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Nov 2025, 17:39
#14
13 Nov 2025, 17:39#14

Well this will be a bit of an acid test for Dixon, who hasn't exactly been convincing in the Bok jersey when he's gotten the chance.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 17:44
#15
13 Nov 2025, 17:44#15

Mostert is an after thought you ignorant prick

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Nov 2025, 19:29
#16
13 Nov 2025, 19:29#16

Well, Mostert hasn’t reached the same form he had before his leg break, but that doesn’t take anything away from his World Cup accomplishments.


The least a person can do is show some respect for those times.


But both of you lack the integrity to acknowledge the hard work done by a great Bok.




SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 19:38
#17
13 Nov 2025, 19:38#17

No you dumb cunt Mostert is shit - I’m not acknowledging anything - never have, never will rate a player who is pathetically physically inept


But I’m guessing he is far more intelligent than a stupid prick like you who has zero idea how to read a situation at all


You are soooooo fucking dumb

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Nov 2025, 20:50
#18
13 Nov 2025, 20:50#18

You’ve just proved what I’ve been saying all along.


When you run out of rugby knowledge, you default to rage and profanity.


That’s not debate; that’s emotional malfunction.


You must have been pathetic at Soliciting. No wonder you selling Ice Cream now…


You call others dumb, yet your posts read like the outbursts of someone whose brain is underdeveloped.


It stalls completely, the moment logic is required.


Mostert’s record and Rassie’s selections exposes your ignorance.


Every insult you type is a reminder of how Dumb you must be, not to communicate in a orderly fashion.


The fact that you think swearing louder makes you right, shows how far your brains reasoning has regressed.


You’ve become the perfect example of a underdeveloped human being or a baby that has been dropped on his head.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 21:00
#19
13 Nov 2025, 21:00#19

Let me explain why you are so profoundly stupid and completely incapable of reading the signs


There was an extended period of strife on here, plenty of name calling and the likes - but of late, that has all calmed down to a gentle trickle - something everyone instinctively bought into, except for the dumbfuck that is you


Too dumb to read the board


There is no cure for profound stupidity

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
13 Nov 2025, 21:22
#20
13 Nov 2025, 21:22#20

"There was an extended period of strife on here, plenty of name calling and the likes - but of late, that has all calmed down to a gentle trickle - something everyone instinctively bought into, except for the dumbfuck that is you "


Oh really…


Former Bok captains hail Siya as the best captain - Thread // Nov 13, 2025, 14:03


"Not worth the read - all I have to say is FUCK OFF Doos"


"No argument dumbfuck - Pienaar, Smit and Teichman vs Doos"


"Get the picture moron?"


"Fuck off you sad fuck“


"Grow up you sad fuck“


"You are a stupid prick“


That is just one thread. There is plenty more examples.


As I Said before: Every insult you type is a reminder of how Dumb you must be, not to communicate in a orderly fashion.


You’ve become the perfect example of a underdeveloped human being or a baby that has been dropped on his head.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Nov 2025, 21:24
#21
13 Nov 2025, 21:24#21

Whooosh

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
14 Nov 2025, 08:56
#22
14 Nov 2025, 08:56#22

Agreed, Franco is a legend!


I think he should probably captain the Boks into the next WC.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2025, 09:34
#23
14 Nov 2025, 09:34#23

Dimness reigned supreme as per normal. Mostert was always a fringe player for the Springboks.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Nov 2025, 09:46
#24
14 Nov 2025, 09:46#24

Squawk, Squawk, said Uncle BS the Parrot…

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Nov 2025, 12:16
#25
14 Nov 2025, 12:16#25

Make Mostert president I say - gets away with so many shortcomings

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2025, 14:11
#26
14 Nov 2025, 14:11#26

Mpower


I thank you for giving me the opportunity to prove the statement as BS.


In a preparatory test against Argentina Mozart tried to make a tackle on the flyhalf and he ran straight through the tackle attaempt and the Pumas scored a try. Then came along the openin match against the AB's and the same t thing happened in that match - that was when a wing did the same against a dismal attempt by Mostert. After that Mostert was reduced to play in the minor Round Robin matches and never started in the play-off matches. He was on the ebnch in the final and he came on from the bnch after De Jager was injured and the rest of the match was as follows:-


  1. He missed 2 open field tackles in the match
  2. In the six minute the Eng lish was threatening to score a try - Mostert made two very weak tackles leaving it to players like Malherbe and Marx to stop the rot - the defense were supplied and the strongest tackles were made by Malherbe, Marx, Vermeulen and Du Toit. .
  3. A minute before half time the Poms were penalised in a scrum that turned into shambles did not take the kick initially and attacked the English ending up in the the 22 and the ball was passed to Mostert who spilted it. .


There was not enough pogress made in the attack and the result was Pollard converted the penalty.


The above wass the sumtotal of Mostert contribution of Mostet in the 2019 RWC.


I do not think he was any better in the 2023 series.






PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Nov 2025, 14:20
#27
14 Nov 2025, 14:20#27
  1. Aminute before half time the oms were penalised in a scrum that turned into shmbles did not take the kick initially and attacked the n glis ending up in the the 22 and the ball was passed to Mostert who spilt it. .


The ball was passed to Mostert in the 22 a minute before half time, but he didn't spill it. He set it up and from the resulting ruck the Boks counter attacked outside their 22.


  1. In the six minute the Eng lish was threatening to score a try - Mostert made two very weak tackles leaving it to players like Malherbe nd Marx to stop the rot - the defnmse were supplied and the strong et tackles were made by Malherbe, Marx, Vermeulen and Du Toit. .


There is no such incident in the 6th minute. From minute 3 - 9 the Boks were attacking in the England half and 22 with a Pollard penalty ending that period.


So Ou Maaik's summary of Mostert in RWC 2019 amounts to:


  1. 1 missed tackle on a back cutting past him at pace
  2. one fabricated sequence of "weak" tackles
  3. one lie about a dropped pass


Thrilling stuff. What would we do without this kind of in depth analysis.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2025, 14:36
#28
14 Nov 2025, 14:36#28

So according to you Mostert did not spill the ball; - amazing shit supreme. The constinuosu threat by the Enghlidh team was from minute 25 and 31 in the first half dimshit. It ebnded up in a penalty concersion thattook the En glish team to 6 points with the Springboks at 9. That incident I describes was justa minute before halftime and go and find r hat s hot photos ayou always s[read on the site and you may find it - but you can blame the spill on Du Toit who was in the tackle ball recovery up front and Mostert was standiga round in he abckline where he did spill he ball. The ref did the rig ht thing and ruled the S pring boks did not make enough progress and Po;ard kicked thr conversion.


You are an indecent liar with a shitbrain to boot.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Nov 2025, 14:37
#29
14 Nov 2025, 14:37#29

The constinuosu threat by the Enghlidh team was from minute 25 and 31 in the first half dimshit.


You said "In the six minute the Eng lish was threatening to score a try". Nothing about minute 25 and 31.


So according to you Mostert did not spill the ball;


He did not. How did we set up a ruck off his carry that ended in a breakout counter from the 22 if he spilled it? Also the stats show 0 turnovers conceded for him. If he dropped a ball it would show.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Nov 2025, 14:53
#30
14 Nov 2025, 14:53#30

Okay, England has an attacking lineout at 29:02, they're nowhere near the Bok line before that.


29:17 Mostert wrestles Eng #2 to the ground, he makes no meters

29:37 Mostert tackles England #1, he makes no meters

29:49 Mostert tackles Eng #13 with Marx falling on top of him, 13 goes down but gets halfway up to crawl another meter forward

30:12 wrestles Eng #6 to the ground as Beast hangs on to an ankle in the tackle

30:34 tackles Eng #8 with Eben over the top

30:56 almost misses Ford who steps inside him but gets enough on Ford who goes down and has to offload

31:12 tackles Eng #8 in tandem with Marx


7 Tackles in two minutes. Absolute warrior. There was no rot to be cleaned up.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2025, 15:50
#31
14 Nov 2025, 15:50#31

Doos one tackle that was made was actually strong because Marx was the really strong tackler and you claim Mrne alone was the tackler in two of the tackles he made he lost hold on the players legs and in one case the scrummie ran around him and Du Toit made the tackles.


Wonderful how you dreamed up the above imagenary BS snaleshit. Where you mentioned Etzebeh and Marx was not t he real tackler was Etzebeth and in the other case it was Marx.


In hat 6 minutes the most effective tackler was Malherbe who stopped th e English 8 - Mostert ah d fuck-all to d wuth that tackle, and in desperation the ball was pased to the backline.


In that test the English backline - who outplayed the AB's in the semi - was totally jeopardised by Du Toit and De Allende - even the England commentator said "there is no way through" just before the ball was passed to the backline and the English spilled the ball in a tackle by Marx - Am got hold of the ball and passed it to Du Toit who drew in the defenders before he past it to Kolbe who scored the second try of the Springboks. That was when Vermeulen got yr MOM in that test and D u Toit's massiv contribution got him the World Player of the Year Award.


. . .

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Nov 2025, 16:17
#32
14 Nov 2025, 16:17#32

Thanks for the effort, Pakie.


It must be time consuming going through the whole game again to get the correct timestamps and actual facts.


Which source do you use to watch recorded games?


XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
14 Nov 2025, 16:27
#33
14 Nov 2025, 16:27#33

It's all so tiresome.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Nov 2025, 16:57
#34
14 Nov 2025, 16:57#34

Of the above 7 tackles - 3 were made by Marx and Malherbe and one by Etzebeth and in the last one ivolving Vunipola - the number 8 Mostert a had fuck-all to do with it - Malherbe and Marx was the ones that stopped Vunipola in his tracks. Try again liar, By the way I should have menioned the spilled ball issue - when mostert go tackled he made an effort to pass the ball which ended rolling on the ground backwards and Pollard could not picked it up You may have called a great attempr by Mostert I called a normal Mostert fuck-up.




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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Nov 2025, 17:16
#35
14 Nov 2025, 17:16#35

Ag Xavi, just check out this last post as the oom's brain starts to unravel and tell me it's not sometimes just a little worth it.


maaaaaaaaaaaaostert for the win :)

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Nov 2025, 17:25
#36
14 Nov 2025, 17:25#36

I like the ‘e tckled’ bit……Mostert the cyber warrior.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Nov 2025, 17:26
#37
14 Nov 2025, 17:26#37

I have watched those minutes many times, Mostert was huge in the goal line defense.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Nov 2025, 07:45
#38
15 Nov 2025, 07:45#38

Mozart


I have watched that mnatch many times and what Pakie said about Vunipola had fuck all to do with Mostert Malherbe went above the knee and Marx the stomach height and drove him back - Mostert was NOT involved in that tackle, The ball went out to the wing and then after some interference as going to the midfoeld A per normal you came up with another lie - De Allende made no tackle in that period. He did make one tackle. ehrn thball went to t he backline.


"I have watched those minutes many times" You watched it and see what you want to see - what you claim you saw had zero to do with what really happened.


Of all the forwards who stopped the attack Mostert was the most ineffective. In the case of two of the tackles Mostert lost the hold on the legs of the player and it was not effective tackles at all and the ball carrier could move forward again - but in both cases Malherbe stopped the ball carrier fom doing that. Unfortiunately for you and Pakie - it is easy to make claims that is without any substance, So live with it - the claims you and Pakie made are BS supreme and in fact lies,



.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
15 Nov 2025, 08:38
#39
15 Nov 2025, 08:38#39

It must be time consuming going through the whole game again to get the correct timestamps and actual facts.


Which source do you use to watch recorded games?


Sorry MP, missed your post. Not that time consuming if you know where to go in the game. The full World Cup finals are on Youtube so easy to find.



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
15 Nov 2025, 08:42
#40
15 Nov 2025, 08:42#40

I have watched that mnatch many times and what Pakie said about Vunipola had fuck all to do with Mostert Malherbe went above the knee and Marx the stomach height and drove him back - Mostert was NOT involved in that tackle,


So, according to you, that tall dude in the #20 jersey hitting Vunipola with Marx is Malherbe? Who then is the chunky fellow we see in the middle of the image not involved in any tackle? Just stop it, ou Maaik, jesus christ man.


The ball went out to the wing and then after some interference as going to the midfoeld A per normal you came up with another lie - De Allende made no tackle in that period. He did make one tackle. ehrn thball went to t he backline.


I haven't said a word about De Allende in this entire thread.



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