FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / RUGBY /  Bok Team

Bok Team

Started by Bok -Bef$K19 REPLIES465 VIEWS· 25 Sept 2013, 15:00
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
BB
Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
25 Sept 2013, 15:00
#1
25 Sept 2013, 15:00#1

South African coach Heyneke Meyer wasted no time in drafting back star scrumhalf Fourie du Preez for the crucial Rugby Championship Test against Australia.

Du Preez, ahead of Ruan Pienaar, is one of two key changes for the encounter at Newlands on Saturday.

The other is Adriaan Strauss at hooker ahead of Bismarck du Plessis - who was controversially red-carded, after two yellow cards, the first a ridiculous blunder by referee Romain Poite, against New Zealand a fortnight ago.

Meanwhile veteran prop Jannie du Plessis and flyhalf Morné Steyn will play their 50th Tests.

It is only the second time in Springbok history that two players earn their 50th caps in the same match.

Du Plessis and Steyn become the 25th and 26th Springboks to play 50 Tests.

The last Springbok to play 50 Tests was Jannie du Plessis's younger brother Bismarck.

The Du Plessis's will become the first set of brothers ever to play in 50 Tests for South Africa.

More to follow....

South Africa: 15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Willie le Roux, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bryan Habana,  10 Morné Steyn, 9 Fourie du Preez, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Replacements: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Gurthrö Steenkamp, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandré Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein.
 

BB
Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
25 Sept 2013, 15:02
#2
25 Sept 2013, 15:02#2

Would've loved to see PSDT at least on the bench.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 15:22
#3
25 Sept 2013, 15:22#3
Bok-BF I agree with you about the issue of Du Toit. However, you can always be assured - Meyer will keep on selecting the failures of Eden Park and expect miracles from them. However, I think the Wallabies are not a strong team - and the Springboks should win. I think the winning margin would be small and I give the Wallabies a 30% chance of beating the Springboks. The problem is not this weekend - it is next weekend when all the failures will be back to haunt us all. Sorry - but are you sure about no 21 - the report I saw on Supersport give Ruan Pienaar as no 21 on the replacement bench.
BB
Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
25 Sept 2013, 15:42
#4
25 Sept 2013, 15:42#4

Yeah also saw that Pienaar is showing on the Supersport site. MMmmmm let's hope Rugby365's player 21 is correct ; )

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Sept 2013, 15:45
#5
25 Sept 2013, 15:45#5
Yeah real pity PSDT is not on the bench - Meyer is just far too conservative
BB
Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
25 Sept 2013, 16:05
#6
25 Sept 2013, 16:05#6

Saffex he might be a bit conservative now, but I still think he has improved in some of his selections he made. We are steadily building and improving IMO. I have no doubt that PSDT and Eben will be our lock pairing soon.

Wallabies will provide stern test for us, but we should take it. I am also backing the Boks to take the Ellis Park Test as well against the AB's.

Go Bokke!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2013, 16:15
#7
25 Sept 2013, 16:15#7
The critics don't get it with the one note criticism. Meyer gets all the credit for bringing back du Preez. He is juggling his locks and hookers superbly to meet the needs of the game. Flip will grunt away at the start and Juandre will come on when the game opens up, Pieter Stephanie will learn how to carry the oranges. Kruger knows he is on the cusp of disappearing so we will get his best. Likewise Strauss will continue to play his heart out, while Bismarck stews. Then the shrewd Heineke will unleash him against the ABs with lots of motivation. - This is like a Mozart symphony conducted by a maestro. My only problem is with the weak second violin ... er centre JJ Engelbrecht. But I suppose he might get a chance to run rampant through open space one of these games. - Heineke is making a fool of his critics.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 16:37
#8
25 Sept 2013, 16:37#8
Mozart There are a lot of very poorly-tuned instruments in that orchestra. The bass (Morne Steyn) has a tendency to collapse in tight matches, the second violin is also mistuned (Kirchner), and the drums have broken down (Kruger and van der Merwe). O - I forgot - and the trumpets are not functioning as well (Alberts, and Louw) - no air coming though because they a stuffed with toilet paper. The maestro better start checking what is going on. The maetro has no idea whether he is conducting The Marriage of Figaro or Eine Kleine Nachtmusik. So the concert can easily go awry and the spectators may have to be refunded their tickets. The first show on Saturday may just make it - the second one a week later is where the real mess would become clear.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Sept 2013, 16:52
#9
25 Sept 2013, 16:52#9
Good one Moz so you think Flip is a good selection after slating him for years and JJ is a poor selection - wow, you are smoking good stuff there
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Sept 2013, 17:10
#10
25 Sept 2013, 17:10#10

Funny that Mozart, the real one (Let's call him WA), should come into the discussion. Now, although I have always liked his work, I am not really that clued up with him and I am by no means a fundi. Ou Maaikie had me check up on a few things and to me, it is more appropriate to mention La finta semplice, rather than The Marriage of Figaro or Eine Kleine Nachtmusik when it comes to Heyneke Meyer. The Marriage of Figaro is indeed and opera while Eine Kleine Nachtmusik is a single compesition of music..... a serenade to be precise. It literally means "little serenade"

 

In any case, as I said, I think that the more appropriate WA Mozart opera would probably be La finta semplice. not because of the synopsis (story line) or the music, but more because of the fact that he got some flack from the Empress Maria Theresa. She had this to say when she declined to appoint Mozart in a permanent job, and I think that at this stage many would say something similar, should they be in a position to appoint Heyneke Meyer:

You ask me to take the young Salzburger into your service. I do not know why, not believing that you have need of a composer or of useless people. If however it would give you pleasure, I have no wish to hinder you. What I say is intended only to prevent your burdening yourself with useless people and giving titles to people of that sort. If they are in your service it degrades that service when these people go about the world like beggars.

 

Many people all over the world know who WA Mozart was. Not many know who Empress Maria Therese was.

 

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 17:51
#11
25 Sept 2013, 17:51#11
Ceradyne I gave those two knowing full well what the difference is between an opera and a serenade - I did it to show how incompetent Meyer really is. You must be kidding about Maria Theresa - historically one of the most important figures in European history. Her Schornbrunn palace in Vienna is visited by more than 10 000 000 visitors per year in any event - so their are more people knowing about her than you imagine.. Mozart is known by classical music lovers - the populations of Central Europe in general knows about Maria Theresa. In any event there are still gold coins being minted carrying her name. As a matter of fact she was the mother of Marie Antoinette of France (one of her 16 children) and the woman who ruled the Holy Roman Empire while he husband was in name the Emporer. She was an Archduches of Austria and Queen of Hungary. But she was a heavy lady whom at her death weighed 120 kgs - a lot for a person of 5'1" . Saffex would have loved her as a prop. LOL .
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Sept 2013, 18:12
#12
25 Sept 2013, 18:12#12

Nice Googling there, ou Maaikie, but be that is it may, you have missed what I was saying. She did not know a musical genius, if you moered her in the face with one.

 

PS. It is too late now, but I am sure that if you had a poll, prior to this discussion, and you asked the members on this forum for instance, who of them knew who Mozart was and who of them knew (without searching on the internet) who Maria Therese was, you would have understood what I meant.

NJ
njRookie31 posts
25 Sept 2013, 18:40
#13
25 Sept 2013, 18:40#13

No Ceradyne, it literally means A Little Night Music, not little serenade

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 20:09
#15
25 Sept 2013, 20:09#15
Ceradyne I did not goggle it. When I took a tour of the Schonbrunn place in 2007 - they gave the figure for visitors in 2006 as 11 000 000. The Palace was a hunting lodge - but she converted it and design the interior of some rooms - so as to save money. She and he daughters decorated those rooms themselves. However, there is one room that according to legend cost 1 000 000 kroner to decorate. It is panelled with rose wood and inside are paintings of life at the court of Shah Jehan in gold frames. Very impressive. In any event - there is one thing that is clear. The Emperors patronised composers of music - in fact many other artists as well - and most of the famous ones were appointed as Directors of Court Ball Music - an extremely well-paid job. But none of them had any ear for music and they never stayed at any opera for the whole time.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Sept 2013, 20:19
#16
25 Sept 2013, 20:19#16

Personally I think Heynecke Meyer is utilising his resources very well and his bashers are fast running out of ammunition. His critics used to rattle off about a dozen names they didn't agree with after every Springbok selection, then it became seven or eight, then five and now I see it's only one or two. I don't believe that's because Meyer's selections have dramatically improved, I think it's because the players are silencing the critics by their performances and Meyer is being proved right.

 

I do think Meyer went a bit overboard in his early selection when he picked just about every Bull he could think of and I was one of his fiercest critics but, I have to admit, after he dumped some of his sillier Bulls picks (like Jacques Potgieter, Werner Kruger and Wynand Olivier) I have slowly become a fan and in my opinion the only blind spot Meyer still has is Zane Kirchner.

 

This is a very good team and I like his "horses for courses" policy with regards to certain players . . . like using Adriaan Strauss when we play the Wallabies and the much more physical Bismarck du Plessis against the All Blacks. Meyer is doing an excellent job and anyone who disagrees, how many of you thought we'd be in with a shot at winning the RC this year?

 

Classical music (and any music for that matter) is always about personal taste, but as far as I'm concerned, while Mozart was a lot more prolific than Beethoven, Beethoven's best symphonies and concertos (piano concertos anyway) are better than anything Mozart ever wrote while Beethoven's sonatas . . . pieces like Pathetique, Moonlight and Apassionata . . . are among the most beatiful pieces of music ever written by anyone. As for opera, surely no-one can argue that Guiseppe Verdi is the greatest operatic composer of all time?

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Sept 2013, 21:02
#17
25 Sept 2013, 21:02#17

AQnd then right at the end, you hit the nail on the head. A Verdi fan myself. There are quite a number of Verdi pieces that later became "well-known" pop-songs. Songs like We believe in tomorrow by Freddy Breck, which was actually to the music of the Hebrew Slaves Choir from Nabucco.  Have a listen.

We believe in tomorrow.

 

Nabucco - Hebrew Slaves Chorus

 

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 21:03
#18
25 Sept 2013, 21:03#18
Mozart I agree with your choice of music composers - do you know that Beethoven in his later years was stone deaf? I would add Wagner to the list of favourite composers and for light entertainment Johan Strauss - a very good tunesmith.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2013, 21:03
#19
25 Sept 2013, 21:03#19
Mozart I agree with your choice of music composers - do you know that Beethoven in his later years was stone deaf? I would add Wagner to the list of favourite composers and for light entertainment Johan Strauss - a very good tunesmith.
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Sept 2013, 21:05
#20
25 Sept 2013, 21:05#20

Anybody who have the faintest knowledge of classical music (and I class myself probably at or below that level) should not know that Ludwig von Beethoven was deaf.

— END OF THREAD —

More from Rugby

More news