Boks back to 6th in the rankings

The Springboks have dropped to No 6 in the World Rugby rankings after their 25-10 loss to England in Cape Town. By avoiding a 3-0 whitewash in the Test series against the Boks, England have climbed to fourth (84.35 to 85.86), above the Wallabies, who lost their series decider against Ireland 20-16. If England had scored three more points at Newlands, they would have risen to third. Ireland picked up 0.92 of a point to further secure second place in the rankings behind an All Blacks side that gained no reward for their third straight win over France. Scotland’s 44-15 win in Argentina earned them a 1.19 point increase, not enough to take them above the Boks, while Los Pumas are in tenth position despite Fiji losing their final Pacific Nations Cup match against Tonga. World Rugby rankings (Top 10): 1. New Zealand 93.99 2. Ireland 90.12 3. Wales 85.94 4. England 85.68 5. Australia 84.48 6. South Africa 83.32 7. Scotland 83.02 8. France 79.10 9. Fiji 76.54 10. Argentina 75.55

Have you confirmed your “calculations” with ou Tokkie before you posted this?

Let me guess the numbers are misleading....

The rankings change with series

In the NH the test series between NH teams is in  February-March and November 

They then play against SH teams in June (away)  and November at home
In the case of the SH tests - they are played in  September and November away
That means that the NH ratings get skewed in their favour early in the year and rectified in September - with some adjustment in November always happening - mostly in favour of SH teams.
So wait with your bravado to see what happens in the RC and in November - when matters are evened out.    .

Boks & Wobblies are letting SH down:

"Just over two years ago the All Blacks, Wallabies and Springboks held the top three spots in the rankings.

World Rugby rankings
1 - All Blacks 93.99
2 - Ireland 90.12
3 - Wales 85.94
4 - England 85.68
5 - Australia 84.48
6 - South Africa 83.32
7 - Scotland 83.02
8 - France 79.10
9 - Fiji 76.54
10 - Argentina 75.55"

NZ Herald

“Posted by: clevermike (30386 posts) Jun 26, 2018, 12:39 Ceradunce The fool may understand something when reading the above. ” The facts are about to debunk poor ou Tokkie again. Have a look at where we were at on. The top seven at this stage of the season since your pet hate Heyneke Meyer was in charge. Prepare for liftoff ou Tokkie. June 2012 - NZ, AUS, RSA, ENG, FRA, WAL, IRE. June 2013 - NZ, RSA, AUS, ENG, FRA, WAL, IRE. June 2014 - NZ, RSA, AUS, ENG, IRE, WAL, FRA. June 2105 - NZ, RSA, IRE, ENG, WAL, AUS, FRA. June 2016 - NZ, ENG, RSA, AUS, WAL, IRE, FRA. June 2017 - NZ, ENG, IRE, AUS, RSA, SCO, WAL. June 2018. NZ, IRE, WAL, ENG, AUS, RSA, SCO.

The only systematic interactions between NH and SH teams are in June and November. Interactions between NH teams like the 6 Nations and the SH teams like the RC simply reorder within those groups on average..........but may vault an individual team above or below a team from the other sphere. The average shouldn't move much. So the NH/SH series are dispositive between hemispheres. And logically each sphere does relatively better in the home series. The formula gives less points for a win at home but doesn't reverse the result.....and we have many examples in these NH/SH series of the home team generally winning. So how the Bloo Blazes do we get 'some adjustment in November always happening -mostly in favour in favour of SH teams'

'So that has not entered your narrow mind yet stooge? Most games by SH teams in November stupid, which has a substantial impact on rating especially when they face, the All Blacks, the Wallabies and even SA without Meyer and Coetzee.' So the SH teams face the All Blacks, the Wallabies and SA.....man are you a confused puppy.

So explain to us....why exactly should SH rankings improve in November. I'll take an empirical argument ie stats or a good theory. The floor is your's.

No.....no theories, no stats......just the usual bs thrown out there because it seemed like a clever thing to say. Tokkie has had a bad week so far.

No Tokkie, you aren't going to slime out of this.......what evidence or theory can you offer as to why SH rankings go up in Novemeber.

Well I guess silence is also an answer....I guess you can't find any evidence to support yours statement Tokkie. Chalk it up as just one drop in a waterfall of nonsense.

That means that the NH ratings get skewed in their favour early in the year and rectified in September - with some adjustment in November always happening - mostly in favour of SH teams.

Not all SH teams can possibly benefit. The best one (or two) in the RC benefit, the other two are usually worse off in September than they were in April.
In 2017, only South Africa gained significantly after the RC, gaining 4 points and jumping from 7th to 3rd by September. Both Aus and Arg lost two points and dropped 2 and 1 spots respectively. By November SA had dropped back to 5, displaced by Ireland.

In 2016, Aus and SA and Arg lost about 4, 3 and 1.5 points respectively from April to September, with England moving into 2nd from 4th by September, displacing Aus and SA. England (NH) was the biggest gainer with a massive 6 points.

2015 is a World Cup year with no EOYT and a shortened RC.

In 2014 NZ gained a fraction of a point and SA about a point from April to October (Aus lost more than 3 points), and by November both Ireland and England had displaced Aus who falls to #5, with Ireland moving up from #5 in April to #3 in November. By end of November NZ had lost a fraction of a point compared to April. The biggest gainer between April and Nov was again a NH side: Ireland with over 3 points.

In 2013 NZ and SA both gained two points between April and September, but Aus fell away. losing 3.5 points with England gaining 2 points to displace Aus in 3rd. By November Aus had regained third, with the top 6 standings at the end of that year returning to exactly as they were in April. This is the only year out of the ones I checked where there is a significant gain for the top two SH sides points wise between April and November. NZ gained more than 3, SA 2.5 and a NH side still made it in as third best gainer: England with 2 points.

In 2012 from April to September NZ gained a point, Aus lost a point, SA gained a fraction. By November France had gained the most points of any of the top 7 sides since April (just over 3) to move from 6th to 4th.  Yet again a NH side gained the most points in the period that the offered theory would suggest SH sides benefit most.

And so we can carry on. It's a see-saw, with the only predictable thing being NZ at #1. There's little to indicate consistent and predictable SH gains by September or November.

Logical.....there is nothing in the formula or the timing to suggest SH ratings should improve in November.