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Boks have been shit

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2022, 00:50
#1
17 Jul 2022, 00:50#1
With strange team selections there has been no continuity We have been poor, with only Lood, Eben, Marx and Kwagga standing tall Wiese was exposed for the ordinary player he is. Really is just dumb muscle who can’t catch and has no idea what to do with the ball at the base of a forward moving scrum Get Roos starting Hendrikse was a positive new addition at 9 and Willemse looks comfortable at test level Faf, Pollard and PSDT need to find form although PSDT was far better this game Our best players were our lock pair
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
17 Jul 2022, 00:59
#2
17 Jul 2022, 00:59#2

Yes, agreed. 

1. Team has performed badly as a unit
2. Marx needs to start. Teams need to be built around their best players to provide unity. 
3. Hendrikse is the real deal, and certainly first choice scrumhalf. He commands the breakdown. Faff is faffing around. 
4. Willemse has come of age at test level. He can slot into most backline positions with ease. 
5. Wiese was good in the first test, but poor today. A one-trick ball carrier, no impact at the breakdown.
6. Kwagga is an all-round player, and helps the Boks compete at the breakdown
7. PDST was crap in the 2nd test, but only slightly better today. On current form, it is debatable if he is a starter on current form. 
8. Scrum was not as dominant as usual, why were the top 2 choices not starting at loosehead
9 Breakdown only improved with Marx and Kwagga on the pitch. Even an ageing Vermuelen is missed at the breakdown. 
10. Kolbe was getting little to no possession when he was subbed - it did not make sense to rejig the whole backline. Leroux could have just slotted in on the right wing. 


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2022, 05:59
#3
17 Jul 2022, 05:59#3

In general I agree about most players.   However, there is also a fact that from a competitive point of view the Springbok line-out competitiveness  evaporated when  Mostert came on.   Tmie to move on from him and use another real lock in his place.   

The Springbok backline functioned better with Pollard at flyhalf and De Allende at center than they did in the first and second test.    As a backup I would rather have Willemse to cover both positions than Esterhuizen.    Willemse had some real positives when he followed up kicks very well and the way he put down the ball and the Wales player holding on to him prevented a try being scored by him.   That to me was worth a penalty try and a card offence by Wales - the ref was kind to just penalize the Welsh player.

I think it is time to move on from Nyakane and play Ox Nche instead.   I am not impressed with Wiese - he was not good enough in both tests and I would play Roos - a thinking player -  ahead of him anytime.   Wiese is just dumb muscle.

I think there will be some changes made to the Rugby Championship Squad -  but in the starting line-up against the AB's I would not change much to the starting team other than  Nyakane and Wiese.    I would drop Estehuizen,  Jantjies, Nyakane and Mostert from the squad and replace them with some players who can really contribute to the team.    .        .       

In the place of Jantjies I would rather see the Under 20 flyhalf as backup to Pollard in the squad.    Was impressed by the youngster in the recent series. in Italy.   I would replace Wiese with the Under 20 no 8 as well.    Remember Pollard moved straight from the Under 20 team to replace the failed Morne Steyn (after the Perth disaster)  in 2014 and was a great success against the AB's in 2014.     

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MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 06:09
#4
17 Jul 2022, 06:09#4

You're giving dreaming Mike. You need defence in the centres and that means Ester. No attacking is going to happen no matter who who pick. Just don't have it in the players. Jantjies is way better than pollard. Roos was ass raped not physical enough and fucking clumsy. Gelant is a must. The blocks were bullshit yesterday. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2022, 10:09
#5
17 Jul 2022, 10:09#5
Did anybody see how clueless Dud Toit was in the first Welsh try…focusing on the tackled man vs the potential receiver. He tried his WC charge onto the Welsh 10 and was so slow he was guilty of several late tackles that weren’t called. Time to find a productive 7.
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 10:31
#6
17 Jul 2022, 10:31#6

Elstat at 7. Fucking monstered the Welsh. Good defence. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2022, 13:00
#7
17 Jul 2022, 13:00#7

Mozart

Youi are starting  up another piece of shit about D u  Toit - either through malice or ignorance.      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2022, 13:00
#8
17 Jul 2022, 13:00#8

Mozart

Youi are starting  up another piece of shit about Du  Toit - either through malice or ignorance.      

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2022, 13:26
#9
17 Jul 2022, 13:26#9

Willie Le Roux is the best backline play maker we have by far. 

I would like to see Willie at 13 and Am on the wing. Lifts our creativity. 

Wee Cheslin has done nothing much lately. I was impressed by Am's pace sprinting down the wing.

The backs had some very good moment yesterday.

Yes both Eben and Lood were very good. Need Snyman back and Mostert out.

Du Toit was solid but I see ou Mozzzz predictably having a go.

This was a good win over a battling Welsh side. 


TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
17 Jul 2022, 13:33
#10
17 Jul 2022, 13:33#10

SA rugby players best players in the world.

Their hooker can not throw, their second row should be in jail for the thugh he is, their third row forward can not fetch, their half fly can not direct a game, their center can not pass a ball, their center can not tackle, their winger can not side step


SA rugby players best players in the world.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Jul 2022, 13:47
#11
17 Jul 2022, 13:47#11
Start Roos 8 and Elrigh at 7....Kitshoff Marx and Malherbe must start....Am was good yesterday and just a bit unlucky that more tries were not scored. I would start willemse at 12 with am, DDA of the bench...gelant at 15....looks like kolbe is out for a while with broken jaw....bring Tambwe into Squad if his green card has been sorted.....Fassi could also fill that role though...." This was a good win over a battling Welsh side. " - this pretty much sums it up for the Boks yesterday....would they have triumphed against Ireland, AB, OZ or France? I am not sure and we need to get more accurate in taking those chances.


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2022, 13:48
#12
17 Jul 2022, 13:48#12

Trad you are the one saying the Boks are the best in the world. 

The IRB rankings have them at 3. An honorable ranking. Yet all you have is one criticism after another. You are totally unhinged and making a complete ass of yourself as per usual. A total boring buffoon. 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2022, 14:53
#13
17 Jul 2022, 14:53#13
I have described the incident accurately. But hell just another try conceded by the mental incompetence of the Duds, let’s just pretend it didnt happen
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 15:04
#14
17 Jul 2022, 15:04#14

Wise Elstat Kolisi. That's the best trio. Could play Kwagga at 8. Gelant is the best attacker by far and Willy Plonka is fucking overrated. Haven't seen a good game from him since like 2013. I think Ester at 12 and Duh at 13. Jantjies at 10. That's about the best you can get. All your wings are fast but shyte. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Jul 2022, 16:05
#15
17 Jul 2022, 16:05#15

Ja, Kolisi lasted a full game, one good ruck clearance, a try and a good run down the wing, but should he have been on the wing in the first place or would a winger gotten further and probable a try. 

Wiese had no answer, have to agree on that one. The 6/2 split backfired. 

Fat trev was a penalty liability and offered nothing in general play. 

Marx did more in 15 min than what Bongi did in the last 3 test. Extra weapon on both sides with great runs, stealing balls etc. 

We simply need to get the likes of Kittshof, Marx and Malherbe to start. 

Happy with Lood and Etzebeth. 


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Jul 2022, 16:05
#16
17 Jul 2022, 16:05#16

Ja, Kolisi lasted a full game, one good ruck clearance, a try and a good run down the wing, but should he have been on the wing in the first place or would a winger gotten further and probable a try. 

Wiese had no answer, have to agree on that one. The 6/2 split backfired. 

Fat trev was a penalty liability and offered nothing in general play. 

Marx did more in 15 min than what Bongi did in the last 3 test. Extra weapon on both sides with great runs, stealing balls etc. 

We simply need to get the likes of Kittshof, Marx and Malherbe to start. 

Happy with Lood and Etzebeth. 


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
17 Jul 2022, 16:06
#17
17 Jul 2022, 16:06#17

BUT, we need a fucking back line coach or attack coach. Stick is stuck in shit and need to go back and do the time to learn how to coach players and get the most out of attack. 

Where the hell is swys

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 16:31
#18
17 Jul 2022, 16:31#18

I think its pretty obvous that KornKob is Mike... same pattern of multiple postings and the language is very similar too. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Jul 2022, 16:40
#19
17 Jul 2022, 16:40#19

The Attack coach should've happened since Swys left...the R&N Gameplan needs a update...the way Ireland played with both Forward power and backline accuracy, we would have struggled and most probably lost....AB are coming, and with them losing they will be determined to beat us...there was more activity in our backline yesterday, bit still quite toothless.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 16:48
#20
17 Jul 2022, 16:48#20

The Block backs and forwards are braindead. Not the coach fault his players are so limited. The top 5 nations are working with Milwaukee and your coach with little Poundland kid's tools.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2022, 17:56
#21
17 Jul 2022, 17:56#21

Mozart 

How accurate did you describe - you were talking shit again.  The  fact is that when  a player is  tackled any loosie or any other player worth his salt would chase to get to the breakdown point - and that is where Du Toit was heading - he would be remiss if he did not do at  that point.   The tackled player had his arms free and when Du Toit got near to him he managed to pass the ball to another Welsh player who ran behind the back of Du Toit to score.  If  Du Toit did anything otherwise like Mostert would have done he would be a shit loosie.     If Du Toit was not doing what he did and a try was scored you would have blamed him for the try beings cored even if he was 10 meters away from where he was.   You either knows nothing about rugby - which is clearly evident from your posting or you are just taking shit.  I think both is applicable in this case.       

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2022, 17:59
#22
17 Jul 2022, 17:59#22

Redrose

Is only defending when when he has to tack le players in traffic.  Otherwise he si useless as a defender as he is pace-deficient.   Esterhuizen has now played 9 tests without scoring a try or even being making  a try-assist.   He has still the same deficiencies he had because he is dumb muscle.   To even think to replace de Allende with him is a dead head idea.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jul 2022, 19:34
#23
17 Jul 2022, 19:34#23
Oh what utter horseshit, PSDT is by far the best blindside in the game, he has hardly played any rugby for ages so is obviously a little rusty but showed some good moments on Saturday The man is pure class but like a few of our overseas based Boks, they are lacking form
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2022, 20:05
#24
17 Jul 2022, 20:05#24

SB

Le Roux does not have enough pace to play on the wing.   The only place he could fit in is at full back.       

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
17 Jul 2022, 20:17
#25
17 Jul 2022, 20:17#25

Red Nose your advise on who to select is wishful thinking .

We know you would love to see Jantjies at #10 if and when the Springboks play England but I think he is a done Springbok after his dismal showing against Wales in the first game. 

Pollard is the #1 fly-half for SA and I would rather see one of the young and upcoming #10's as his backup.

Am is done and we desperately need another #13 to replace him. Not sure that "Essee" will be back after his poor performance as well.

Pleased with the #9 much better service to the backline and does not give away possession like Faf with his endless kicks from behind the scrum.

But on the three games against Wales I was not impressed with the Springbok performance in any of the games.

Changes have to be made in the front office of the SA Rugby Board the sooner the better.

Trust you enjoyed the "Warriors" routine though prior to the game.



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jul 2022, 20:36
#26
17 Jul 2022, 20:36#26
First few games of the season with one of them being a circus thanks to the crazy selections. Let’s keep in mind that Wales had no answer to the Bok pack playing off of 9. Can we talk about Pollard trying those grubbers though…damn that was funny. 9s Happy with both Faf and his understudy who looks sharp. Willemse and Galant both look like they belong. Willie made hardly any errors and Am was solid. But, we have the best 12 in world rugby apparently playing for us…anyone fancy regaling us with his feats in this series? As i recall, his almost try yesterday was about the highlight of his series. Both Pollard and Willemse are better 12s. This is the thing, we(DDA fans) rate him as a best in the world along with Eben, Marx and Pollard. Problem is, Eben had massive series and Marx seemed incapable of putting a foot wrong. Pollard was a presence in vastly more than simply reputation. But where oh where was old DDA? Another series and another failure to notch up a single highlight reel play. While Willemse and our new scrummie, virtually international noobs, looked like they’ve been a Boks for a decade already. What am i missing boys?
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 20:59
#27
17 Jul 2022, 20:59#27

Ester needs front foot ball and a chance to be a focal point. He has never had that and that's my only criticism of the coach. You gotta give the guy the SAME opportunity. Neither are great attackers.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jul 2022, 21:48
#28
17 Jul 2022, 21:48#28
They seem very happy to bench Faf as soon as he has one bad half though. A guy who has been nothing but quality since day 1. When it comes to DDA, he can be awol for an entire series and he’s probably still first on the sheet. It boggles.
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
17 Jul 2022, 21:53
#29
17 Jul 2022, 21:53#29

Faf is now a fat midget with no skills. He only ever offered energy and speed around the field. He was a bit niggly and disruptive. Faffy Fuck has the shittiest skills ever. I agree that there is favouratism maybe Faffy needs to attend more braais with the coach or majke friends with political figures. That;s how it works in good old Azania. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jul 2022, 07:25
#30
18 Jul 2022, 07:25#30
You must be having a laugh. Faf is absurdly good and still easily the best 9 SA has.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2022, 09:44
#31
18 Jul 2022, 09:44#31
Dud Allende again managed to turn golden ball into lead … Dud Toit was a cumbersome plodder. And some would say he should stick his head in the ruck when he is the only defender on the goal line. I would say that’s just another mental error which conceded an unnecessary try. The Duds you loved them, you hyped them, you deserve them As usual the Boks won by the massive presence of Etzebeth and Pollard. After the Duds charged the ramparts toothlessly Pollard showed that a bit of acceleration and aiming at the gap rather than the man does the trick
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2022, 09:59
#32
18 Jul 2022, 09:59#32

Plum 

The winning try in the first test was from a try-assist by De Allende - conveniently forgotten by you.   

I agree about some of the grubber kicks by Pollard - but wat to know what E#sterhuizen produced in the second test?    As bad as he was in all tests he played in  before.   Willemse was always attacked by site members and now suddenly he should be played at 12 -  where he has minimal experience in playing.    And the only time Pollard played at 12 was when he played Varsity Cup and under 20 rugby.   That was about 8 years ago.   

Red Rose 

Esterhuizen had been tried 9 times and never made a really positive contribution in any tests he played in - he is slow and even though physically strong he brought nothing to the team on test level.    Because of that the result always has been that when he carried balls frequent turnovers and penalties followed.    In previous tests he had opportunities to make hay and yet failed every time.    Because of pace deficiency open field tackles is beyond his capacity.   The fact is that Esterhuizen failed to meet the standard for inclusion in the WC squad and when Kriel was injured the call-up was for Willemse to join the squad and NOT Esterhuizen.   If he was as good as you thought he is why did that happen?  My advice is ask White about Esterhuizen - he apparently belief that Esterhuizen is a better player as a loosie than he is at center. and he tried to use him as a loosie for the Sharks and he failed in that case as well.   

   

                 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2022, 10:19
#33
18 Jul 2022, 10:19#33

Mozart is totally ballistic  in his  obsession with Du Toit and De Allende and he frequently lies about what happens in matches when they are concerned.   Now Du Toit - the player of the Year on 2019  is a plodder - and that takes the cake.   The attacks by Mozart ofn the two players started in 2013 and 2014.    When Du Toit was injured seriously in 2015 Mozart was totally happy  about the injury as was evident from his contributions since he was a threat to the inclusion  of the totally non-performing Matfield for selection to play in the 2015 WC.   Despite his happiness Du Toit was fit enough for inclusion in the WC squad then.      

The imbecilic Meyer did not include him in any team to play at lock where he played constantly for years.  In the Japan disaster test  in 2015 Alberts - who never played any rugby for 14 months - was selected at 7.    An hour before the match started it was found that Alberts could not play and Du Toit was included in the starting line-up despite the fact that he had not played in that position since 2012 was clearly an injustice to Du Toit whose erformance was not really good enough.  However, the Springboks lost the test because of the farcical display of the Senior players in that test - nothing more.

When Erasmus in 2018 realized they have a serious selection problem at 7 - he asked the Lions and the Stormers to play Mostert and Du Toit to be used in that position.  Mostert failed miserably and after three matches the Lions retureed him to play at lock - Du Toit passed the test and became the key Springbok loosie and World Player of the Year in 2019.    

Mostert contribution in games has been dismal and that was the case as well on Satirday when he came from the bench as a lock.    He is so useless in line-outs after he came on the throw-ins were to Du Toit and De Jager - another pet hate of Mozart and some other empty-headed idiots failing to understand rugby.  .    .   .

                  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2022, 11:54
#34
18 Jul 2022, 11:54#34
Beenkop the idea of moving Willie to 13 is ridiculous for two reasons - one Am is regarded as the best 13 in the game and secondly Willie would be useless defensively at 13 Stupid stupid idea
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jul 2022, 12:12
#35
18 Jul 2022, 12:12#35

Nope Willie can tackle and would set up his wings superbly. 

Am has the pace to be on the wing and also has creativity. 

Snapster you lack imagination and the vision to see what could be. Best listen to Beeno. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2022, 12:19
#36
18 Jul 2022, 12:19#36
Beenkop you are fucking both clueless and stupid You clearly don’t understand the game Here is an education for you. It’s about picking up the subtle, intricate things that make a player great https://youtu.be/aeAtyFWQfw0
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jul 2022, 12:28
#37
18 Jul 2022, 12:28#37

Snapster after all the many times I have schooled you and you come up with a remark like this. Bwahahahahaha.


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
18 Jul 2022, 12:32
#38
18 Jul 2022, 12:32#38

it worked for Jacque Fourie, but he was still  very young. Jessie Kriel is another convert but less successful. 

Willie is 33, not sure how much ball he will see if De Alende trucks it up or Pollard or Faf keeps kicking the ball away. 

Am has been sublime as link, Willie can come in and  join the line when the time is right which is what he has done so many times. 

He is better off playing from the back and can inject himself in general play. 

Watch Swys comments on Willie and how well he does in that role. I think that is why they want to convert Willems to 15, but still give him chances to also play 10 and 12 so that he can keep his distribution game working. 

I thought Willemse had some nice touches on Saturday when he was at 10 with good contact and off loading. 

Where as Willie runs a beautiful  arc with a great pass to get his wingers away 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jul 2022, 12:35
#39
18 Jul 2022, 12:35#39
Mike…i’m not sure how you rate that as being the winning try, since it was not the last try of the match nor the one that won us the game. Since it was a close match, i suppose any Bok try was a “the winning try”. And, as was discussed here, the opinion to grubber there was not the correct one, but it did work out in the end. Had DDA passed, it would have been a 2 vs 1 with Wales stretched. But i’ll ask again…where are the DDA performances to match those of Eben, Marx and Pollard who we also rate as best in their positions until the world?
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jul 2022, 12:38
#40
18 Jul 2022, 12:38#40
And i still maintain that Willie is the most technically sound tackler in the Bok side.
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