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Boks heading out of comfort zone

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2014, 15:45
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11 Aug 2014, 15:45#1

Ex Supersport.

The Castle Lager Rugby Championship that starts this week will see the Springboks and their coach Heyneke Meyer heading further away from their comfort zone than at any other stage during the past two years.

Whereas even in his first year as Bok coach, when he had to bring the side together just a few days before a series against England, Meyer was clear on the core or nucleus of his side, injuries and unavailability through overseas commitments have placed a few spokes in the wheel ahead of the 2014 edition of the Championship.

Fortunately for Meyer, he did have to start thinking outside the box during the June international season, which saw wins over a World XV, Wales twice and Scotland. Jean de Villiers, who had not missed a test during the Meyer era, was ruled out with injury, and the unavailability of Jaque Fourie and loss of form of JJ Engelbrecht saw him select JP Pietersen, normally a wing, at outside centre.

So a completely new midfield played together in June, and it looks likely that the man who missed out on that series of matches because of an untimely injury after selection, Damian de Allende, will now be added to the test team for Saturday’s opener against Argentina in Pretoria. Meyer is contending with the sort of change that he did not have to concern himself with before, when the team seemed a lot more settled.

At least in the June series, Meyer had the experienced and capable heads of Fourie du Preez and Victor Matfield present. The latter was chosen to the lead the side, while the former is the fulcrum around which so much happens for the Boks.

However, Du Preez is out for the rest of the season, and Matfield is out of the Argentina test. The injury that has ruled Matfield out can be seen as a warning that the veteran’s continued availability cannot be seen as a certainty as the knocks start to accumulate on his 37 year old body. Up to now the two year break Matfield enjoyed has been a benefit to him, but the effect of time away from rugby might be worn down by the unexpected workload that he has had to carry.

The initial plan was to ease Matfield back slowly, to manage him by playing him selectively, but it hasn’t worked out that way for two reasons. Firstly, the man has just played so well that he forced his way into the selection frame as first choice (Talk about being adelusional groupie!!!!! -even the complete test novice Loodt showed he was twice the player.). Secondly, the injury to Pieter-Steph du Toit and to the first choice captain made it necessary for him to play all the games in June.

What does Meyer do if Matfield breaks down (What a joke! The biggest fear has to be matfiled is fit AND MEYER BLUNDERS BY PICKING HIM)!!!!)? We will get a better idea once we have seen his selection for Pretoria play together, and the same for the midfield, where De Allende could find himself playing his first test at the unfamiliar position of outside centre.

There is one big question that hovers over De Allende – the WP player is talented, but does he have the pace for the No 13 jersey? He is quick off the mark but doesn’t have sustained pace, which is why there has often been reluctance on the part of WP and Stormers coaches to play him on the wing.(Fast enough for 13 in my view - I really would place liitle value on what ou Allistair does - Allende has played well on the wing)

With Engelbrecht playing there last year, the Boks had pace to burn in the position, and ditto with Pietersen. We will know once De Allende has played there whether he fits the role, but that is the point – there are far more unknowns going into this year’s Championship than you would have expected there to be when the Boks finished off their 2013 season with a solid win over France in Paris.

That though might be a good thing, as it forces Meyer to look at other options. And so far the spreading of the net has produced positive results, with the older players feeding off the energy of the newcomers with great effect in the big win over Scotland last time out.

AVOIDING MISTAKES

Looking ahead at the Championship, there are two big mistakes the Boks could make. One would be to think that their quest is all about beating the All Blacks, for the Australians under Ewan McKenzie have grown considerably from the side that got smashed by four tries in Brisbane last September. Another would be to regard Ellis Park, the venue for the final match against New Zealand, as a banker, a game that they can expect to win and thus clinch the Championship if they are in with a shout at that point.

The aura that Highveld venues once held as an impregnable fortress to opposition advances has long since been lost, with successive Soccer City wins by the All Blacks being followed up by their impressive 38-27 win at Ellis Park last year. In all those games it was the Kiwis who finished stronger, so Meyer is right when he acknowledges the superiority of both their mental strength and conditioning.

There is good reason why the All Blacks do well in Gauteng, as the conditions are tailored for the fast paced Kiwi game (EXACTLY SO. WHY IN THE WOLRD THEN PLAY ALBERTS ON THE HIGHVELDT. PUT A PACY GUY LIKE DEON FOURIE OR EVEN KRIEL IN AT 6 - ITS SO OBVIOUS). The Boks probably have a better chance of beating the All Blacks in New Zealand, where the heavier underfoot conditions and possibility of wet weather might suit the South Africans more.(THIS OKA REALLY HAS NO CLUE WHATSOEVER. LIKE SO MANY THERE IS NO REALISATION YOU NEED TO TWEAK YOU PACK. MAN AS SAFFEX SAYS BEING ABOK SUPPORTER CAN BE FRUSTRATING. WE COULD EVEN MOVE VERMLUEL TO 7 PLAY KAN KAN OR WHITELY AT 8 AND KRIEL AT 6 AS A MORE EXTREME MOVE. MOW THE WEE ABS NETBALLERS DOWN. WITH TWO POWERHOIUSE LOCKS IN ETZEBETH AND LOODT AND A STRONG FRONT ROW AND VERMUELEN AT 7 TO OPERATE IN THE TIGHTER PHASES ONE MUST CONSIDER THESE THINGS. ALBERST IS A DEFINITE NO ON THE HIGHVLEDT. IN FACT GIVEN HIS LOW WORKRATE IS HE NEEDED?)

The reason that some critics were starting to see the Boks as a better World Cup bet than New Zealand after the last series of autumn internationals in the United Kingdom and Ireland, was because the conditions over there do not suit the pace at which the Kiwis like to play.(AGREED BUT EVEN A HALFWIT SHOUDL KNOW YOU NEED A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PACK ON THE HIGHTVELDT. WHAT LUNACY IS THIS! )

Meyer, with his public statements at the start of the Bok training camp last week, appeared to be heeding the warning bells that started clanging during the Super Rugby season. He spoke about the need to abandon brawn and physical battery as the banker to South African rugby success.(yOU BETTER HAVE BRAWN WHEN YOIU PALY ENGLAND AT TWICKS - LOOK HOW THE POMS TOOK THE FEEBLE ABS APART))

Fortunately for the Boks though the rigid, kicking dominated approach we saw from the Sharks in Super Rugby hasn’t been their way now for a while. The main reason for that is Willie le Roux, whose unpredictability and creative abilities have been the catalyst for a transformation of the way the Boks play.

What is going to be interesting to see is what happens if Le Roux is injured or is exposed. Hyped though he is, the latter scenario is not completely beyond the realms of possibility if you consider that weaknesses in his game were exposed by the All Blacks at Ellis Park which led to him being dropped for the next test.

It would be a pity if it did happen, for Le Roux has been what has made the Boks look relatively new age in comparison with some of the Super Rugby teams.

A BACKLINE OF REINACH, POLLARD, HABANA, JEAN, ALLENDE, HENDRICKS AND WILLIE HAS PACE AND POWER AND CAN MATCH ANYTHING THE KIWI NETBALLERS CAN PRODUCE. WITH A SUPERIOR PACK AND A MORE MOBILTY IN THE LOOSE TRIO ONLY A RAW CAN SAVE THE WEE ABS. 

NOW ITS UP TO MEYER.ABANDON THE FARCE RE MATFILED BUILD, A POWERFUL YET MOBILE TIGHT FIVE, TWEAK YOU LOOSE TRIO AND IT'S ALL YOURS.

MEYER ALWAYS REMEMBER TO THANK BEENO WHO SET YOU ON THE RIGHT PATH!

Springbok Rugby Championship Schedule

16 August Argentina, Pretoria, 5.05pm 
23 August Argentina, Salta, 9.40pm
6 September Australia, Perth, 12.05pm
13 September New Zealand, Wellington, 9.35am
27 September Australia, Cape Town, 5.05pm
4 October New Zealand, Johannesburg 5.05pm

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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
11 Aug 2014, 15:48
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11 Aug 2014, 15:48#2
 Your a laugh Beeno. The reason NZ wan last year, because they physically monstered the boks at the breakdown partic in the Eliss Park game. Its amazing because SA haven't beaten NZ in Three years yet you have this unbinding confidence. The Same SA pack was outplayed in all facets last year, not saying SA can't beat NZ of course they can, but your acting like its all inevitable, SA need to earn the right just like NZ have too.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2014, 16:01
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11 Aug 2014, 16:01#3
 3 IQ I thought iwas keeping thsi simply so even the mot limited kbbs would understand.We are palying the wrong loose trio on the highveldt. the 120kg 30 yera old Alberts is to slow and hsi work rate to low.
I am suggesting a brilliant number 6 like Deon Fourie and playing another fetcher like Louw at 7 would change everything. Fourie is faster than any loosie you have.Also remember 3 IQ the Boks due to Roman shafting us in the nz test ment we had to stray from our game plan. Yoiu can completley discount that win.
No if Meyer follows my advice your only hope is a RAW.
I trust 3 IQ you are getting a glimmer. I would ask JW to explain it all to you but his grasp of matters is at best very shaky.
But my advice to the wee abs is to forget fretting about what the Mighty Bos are going to do to them and focus on OZ and what they are going to do. Hahahahahhahaha
The kbbs must try and bear too much all at once. Take it one loss at a time. 




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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Aug 2014, 16:03
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11 Aug 2014, 16:03#4

Meyer and his crap squad and pathetic tactics are going to get beaten 4 - 0 by NZ and Oz........we might sneak past the Argies at Home.........watch this space

 

We can be thankful Jacques Fourie, Schalk Burger and Danie Rossouw are not available for they to would have been in the side 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
11 Aug 2014, 16:24
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11 Aug 2014, 16:24#5
The absence of the great Schalk Burger 31 years old and 114kg is a blow.  However Meyer has woken up to the fact he has blundered in his selections at 7 and turned to the 33 year old golden oldie Juan Smith. Not having seen him play I cant really comment.
What is certain though is we have some capable loose forwards and particularly if you consider Louw can play 7 and is probably better suited to 7.
Snapster what are you smoking?  Get a grip man!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Aug 2014, 16:27
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11 Aug 2014, 16:27#6
Beenkop I look forward to your comments after the Aussies and Kiwi's kick our arses thanks to pathetic selections like Smith, Matfield, Pienaar, Morne, Steenkamp, Bakkies and co.......add that to the pathetic kick and chase tactics clueless Meyer will employ
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2014, 17:25
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11 Aug 2014, 17:25#7
 Lets face facts - the De Koning article quoted above is on par with the nonsense spouted by Mozart and his despeearte clan.   He wrote a lot about De Allende and then ended up with his pace issue.   Has he never seen the guy play?   He has been playing on th wing and is definitely faster in pace than Pietersen and Jacques Fourie - so what is De Koning saying here?
The clown went on to write about Matfield.  Why is he not honest and say that Matfield is physically not strong enough to compete anymore and ask that he be phased out?
If we have a team with Morne Steyn, Willem Alberts, Bakkies Botha and Gurthro Steenkamp in the mix - ho can we be competitive?    Fact is -
*   the Stade Francais Rejkect is not good enough to make the starting line up of his club on a regular basis - what makes him good enoughh to play for the Springbpks?
*   Bakkies Botha produced nothing of note in any of the four tests he played in since November last year - fact is he was below par in at least one of the foiur tests and average in teh rest;
*   Willem Alberts is a low work rate sloth that do not know how to protect and recover balls in breakdown situations with zero ball handling skills to boot; and
*   Gurthro Steenkamp is another bench player for Toulouse where he is kept out of the starting line up by Ferreira.
If we can really have a merit and performance related team - we will be competitive - otherwise we must just take the resultant punishment.  

 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
11 Aug 2014, 20:22
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11 Aug 2014, 20:22#8
Beeno: the excuses are already pouring out of Bok "supporters" & the first game of the RC has not even started. Secondly, the Boks first game is against the Argies on your home ground (we are expecting a RAW for the Boks). 
Have some confidence in your team (or the refs). You can beat the Argies if you think positively, well perhaps not but think positively anyway, it could help... well it can't do any harm can it?
No... you are right... it's pointless to even show up, just like you didn't show up for our dual at dawn for the position of  Head Mole Hunter
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2014, 21:21
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11 Aug 2014, 21:21#9
There is considerable doubt about de Allende. This is another guy who is being fast forwarded into the Bok team with very little to go on. He tackles at about 80% and can be beaten laterally because he is a big blocky type. Thirteen is tough defensively for these blocky types. And can anybody remember a specific attacking incident that defines him as a test player...frankly I can't. Not one great break, one try created....no evidence of real pace.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
11 Aug 2014, 21:32
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11 Aug 2014, 21:32#10
His offloads are his strongest point. He is strong enough to stand in the tackle and big enough to get his arms out of the tackle to offload. 
Other than turnovers, most backline tries are scored from offloads. (if he can release the likes of Habana and LeRoux, thing could open up). 
He can also break tackles probably better than any other centre in South Africa on current form.

He will probably be better at inside centre, although he could surprise at 13. 
Although he has played wing for the Stormers, I have never seen him score a try from a turn over in his own half with other wings chasing him, like the fastest players can. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Aug 2014, 22:32
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11 Aug 2014, 22:32#11
I agree, he is probably more likely to succeed at 12. But Jean is miles better...so he has to play 13, where pace and lateral defence are more important than offloads...which I accept he does well.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Aug 2014, 23:50
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11 Aug 2014, 23:50#12
 Mozart
You are talking your normal BS.   De Allende did not create only one try, He made at least 12 line breaks in Super 15 and scored four tries himself.   You claim he does not have the pace for a center - but he played at wing and has shown more than sufficient pace.   
I tell you the problem is you wanted Fransie at 12 and De Villiers at 13.   Or better still D Jongh at 13.  The same Fransie who throughout Super 15 made 4 line breaks and handed over possession more times than all the other 12/s in SA together and had the worse defending record at 70% of all centers in all teams in Super 15.  The same De Jongh who has the worst defending record of any 13 - who has been sueless in attack - the player who went AWOL in the tests at the end of 2012. 
Meyer saw what this guy produced and he also saw the possibilities of developing the player further.   But that does not count with you - you saw that he is developing further - so you must write lies in an effort to denigrate the player.   
Once thing is for sure - if De Allende made no mistakes at 13 - you will invent some.    


  
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