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Boks in for a tough year

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2012, 11:41
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06 Aug 2012, 11:41#1

I noted in a response t osome comments By Moz tha twe are ina difficult position right now. A number o fkey players are out injured/unavailable ( Goosen, Coenie, Vermulen, Schalk Jaque Fourie etc) and we a have a number of youngsters not quite ready for internatioanal rugby or about ready with no experience. I beleive it could be tough th isyear with things getting better next year and us hitting our straps in 2015.

Meyer builds a team and it will take a little while. Keep the faith okes he and Rassie will get there.

Ex Keo

Heyneke Meyer says the Rugby Championship will be the measure of his men.

The Springboks’ 2-0 series win over England in June was an excellent start for the new generation of players and coaching staff. Indeed it surpassed Meyer’s expectations, which were shaped by the limited preparation time he had with the squad.

However, the Rugby Championship was always going to provide a sterner test of Meyer and his team’s aptitude. Australia and New Zealand both showed their quality in sweeping Wales and Ireland respectively in June. Argentina should be easily negotiated at Newlands in a fortnight, but they’ll be tougher to beat in Mendoza on 25 August.

The bulk of the 30-man squad has gathered in Cape Town to begin their preparations, with the Sharks’ representatives set to join the group on Tuesday. Meyer said this has forced a rethink in his approach to the next two weeks.

‘This is the first week where I would have the team without having a Test match. I thought it would allow me to go through some details in our gameplan and work through repetition of that gameplan. I’d also planned on getting combinations together who’d play in the first Test,’ Meyer told keo.co.za.

‘But with the Sharks only joining the camp on Tuesday, I’ve had to change a few things. With the Sharks players central to our plans, we have to find the balance between training and rest.’

Meyer won’t field a vastly different side for the Argentina opener to the one that he backed against England, with the bulk of his starting 15 coming from the Sharks. He did, however, stress that the performances of his players would be decisive to their Test futures.

‘We’ll know where we stand after the Rugby Championship. With no disrespect to England, I’ll have a clear idea about some players, particularly the youngsters, after I’ve seen them against the world’s best teams. I have a lot of belief in the squad, but guys that don’t perform will be at a disadvantage going forward,’ he said.

Meyer added the All Blacks and Wallabies are better placed going into the southern hemisphere showpiece, with both benefiting from continuity in their playing and coaching staff. (Fair comment although my goodfriend hakwa and sitting bull will be on about excuses no doubt)

‘I’m realistic, it is going to be tough. Robbie Deans is in his fifth year as coach of the Wallabies and has a settled squad and gameplan. Some people point to the Australian sides not making the Super Rugby play-offs, but that isn’t an indicator of how the Test side will go. He can pick a very strong 22 from the players available,’ Meyer explained. (Agree and Mallet said exactly the same. Watch out for Oz)

New Zealand are always very, very tough. Steve Hansen has worked with all the players before and their approach hasn’t changed but for one or two minor adjustments. They looked like they hadn’t been apart when they played Ireland a couple of months ago.

You also have to take into consideration that those teams still have their key, experienced players available. [David] Pocock, [Quade] Cooper and [Will] Genia are still there for Australia. New Zealand have Carter and McCaw. We’ve lost a handful of very good, very experienced players, with Victor Matfield and Fourie du Preez being the biggest losses.(All well and good up to tha tpoint but wee mafile dgoing is a huge plus. Kan KAn is looking like a great lineout replacement. Same weight a wee matfield so props can toss him high very quickly) 

We’re starting from behind but we’ll do whatever we can to win it.’

Yes we are starting from behind Meyer that is true. All I ask is for incremental improvements , wise selections (Knowing you have to do a bit of sifting and some tricky assessments as to the readiness of younger players s o you wont get it right  -even though ou snapster wants to make all the under 21 Boks right now!!))  and a bit of imagination. I do not buy the no backs story - you have a good pool of talent who could do damage when running off good ball if well coached.

Also you have been too bulle orientated and that has to stop. Bulle players are not that great so get real about them. Are you sure you have the right backline coach. Hope Loubscher is an inspired choice but what a gamble!

Finally be true to our Bok heritage, That is a dominant forward back (no show ponies please)  which gives nz a regular drubbing and has them quaking at the knees. Hard tackline backs (Ala Joggie Jansen who flattened Byran Wlliams - who was eventually too scared to run) with some real flair and an astute flyhalf who controls the game with the boot.

Beeno's tip - Listen to everything Rassie tells you!  I am feeding Rassie with a lot of ideas! Hahahahahahahahahaha

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2012, 12:15
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06 Aug 2012, 12:15#2

Beeno

Thanks for the posting - but I have huge difficulties with the squad, as well as the comments of Meyer.   Meyer talks about the youngsters - but what about the senior players like Morne Steyn, Spies and Kirchner - who failed against the POMS - as well as the subsequent Super 15 games -  and is right back in the team.  And then also Greyling.   Those failures in the English tests are bound to fail again - will he eliminate them in that event?   I do not believe so - but lets wait and see.

Meyer talks about the game plan - but is he only talking about a ten-men rugby game plan?   If so - with Morne and Kirchner kicking aimlessly - we are going to do a lot of chasing of attacking players this year.

Sterner test it would be - but for both the squad and Meyer.   I do not hope for much - we are going to lose against both the All Blacks and Wallabies - the losing margin being the only thing in question.    

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
06 Aug 2012, 12:24
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06 Aug 2012, 12:24#3

the game of rugby has changed. we can still stay true to our strengths but trying tactics that have been not working for the past few years is just plain stupid. control the game with the boot ??? sorry buddy that is daft to say the least. you can control the game with a lof of ways. overusing the boot is just going to feed the high ball posession attacking phased play of the nz and aussies. its one thing playing to your own strenghts but another feeding the other teams strenghts.

we have the talent to outrun any team on earth. we have the backs to play any style of rugby. sharks cheetahs and co have proved it week in and week out. so no one can come and spin it like we cant. i dont buy into that BS sorry. total rugby will win you the most games not trying to out muscle your opposing teams. if our forwards are matched then we have nothing to offer. there is a lot of young talent coming through so i feel that this squad is not build for the future but rather making it a short term option that if things go wrong will bomb in HM's face.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2012, 12:37
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06 Aug 2012, 12:37#4

Please muncher, good tactical kicking is still vital. I am not talking about high up and unders done ad naseum!!  I mean keeping our team in their half , turning them, putting it into the corners, clever chips over the top  and making life difficult. NOT handing them the ball on a platter.

The point is our forwards would not be macthed if we pick the right guys. That forwards win matches still applies today.  If we do not get our pack right we will not win. End of story.

I said real attacking flair - did you notice. However not a run everything approach.

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
06 Aug 2012, 12:50
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06 Aug 2012, 12:50#5

like the forward obsessed approach helped the stormers this year ???? kicking is meant to gain a advantage not just kick for the sake of it. a general game plan should include all aspects. forward play running play kicking you name it. my point is kicking should be used to change it up not the mindless robotic kicking of grant and steyn we are used to seeing. the ab for example are not pushovers in the pack and our pack has not been able to overpower them in years so that else is there to attack them with ???? kicking at them ??? i never said run at them from every were but attacking them and not kicking aimlessly at them will go a long way in trying to score points against a AB team that is playing total rugby.

our game plan is forward obsessed but as soon as the forwards are matched then we offer no other attacking options. that is the point i am trying to make

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2012, 13:26
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06 Aug 2012, 13:26#6

Beeno amd carpetmuncher

I agree that occassionally kicking is necessary - but not 95% of all possession - like the case is with Hograad and Morne Steyn.   Let me ask some pertinent questions about the kicking game.   How many times are we in our 22 and the scrummie or flyhalf tries relieving kicks and the ball is not kicked out?   How many kicks are kicked over the dead ball line or behind the corner flag?   How many penalties are kicked when the ball is not kicked out - but kicked in the field of play or over the dead ball line?   How many high kicks are way too far to be effectively followed up?   How many of Hougaard's kicks are charged down? How many kicks are strategically affective - into the corners and not in midfield?

The answers to the above are all tied up in one sentence - namely aimless and useless kicking feeding the ball to the opposition.   Steyn is the one key to the kicking game - but how many poor kicks per game is he involved in?  I would say at least 70% of the kicks can best be described as aimless and of assistance to the opposing teams only.

 

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
06 Aug 2012, 13:43
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06 Aug 2012, 13:43#7

a aimless kick if according to stats almost worth 5 min of ball posession. if one looks at the amount of times he kicks the ball and look at the opposing no 10 than it tells a complete different approach. he got booed at PE and people in general are fed up and tired of seeing this approach to the game.

they way teams train these day are so hell bend on keeping the ball that a kick up field that is not 100 either out of chased correclty is used to create space and force errors for the team kicking it in the first place. the new elv's has been very hard on teams know for kicking the ball. we have managed to hang in there because we as team has always defended well.

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
06 Aug 2012, 13:45
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06 Aug 2012, 13:45#8

hougaard and co dont like a playing pattern that is kick intense so enjoy a running open game and as such HM needs to play a style that suites the personal that is in the team.

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SS-MoleRookie59 posts
06 Aug 2012, 20:32
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06 Aug 2012, 20:32#9

 Variety is the name of the game. Only taking a one dimensional approach- be it is just kicking or just running is predictable and easy to defend against. The Sharks beat the Stormers applying a varied game plan. 

If Morne is just going to kick the ball away- the back three just need to stand a bit deeper and have a good kicking option at fullback. This gives them plenty of time to kcik the ball back- on decent placed kicks. However on bad placed Kicks- The Morne of 2012- this gives them plenty of oppertunity to run back. 

As for the rest of the Out of form Bulls in the squad- lets just say that they are their because they wear Blue or Pink

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