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Boks in semi: Can they risk wonky Willie?

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Oct 2019, 00:21
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22 Oct 2019, 00:21#1

Cape Town – Highly experienced, yet scarily unpredictable fullback Willie le Roux looks like presenting Springbok coach Rassie Erasmus with his biggest selection headache for next Sunday’s World Cup semi-final against Wales at Yokohama (11:00 SA time).

Thirty-year-old Le Roux would earn his 60th Test cap and -- no less crucially -- fifth sampling of RWC knockout-pressure demands if he cracks the nod against the defending Six Nations champions; just the sort of stats that make you an appealing presence for such an occasion, at least on paper.

But his performance across three starts at RWC 2019 thus far has been desperately inconsistent … a hallmark that seriously infected his game in Sunday’s comfortable but imperfect 26-3 quarter-final triumph over gallant, though eventually outgunned underdogs Japan.

Unless injuries intervene in the interim, Erasmus shouldn’t have too many head-scratchers for the Wales showdown; he has a settled fulcrum of a “first team” and won’t wish for major deviation at this advanced stage.

Le Roux, however, is undoubtedly cause for concern form-wise.

After a bright showing in the more clear-cut, pre-tournament 41-7 disposal of the Brave Blossoms in Saitama, the No 15 has mixed the good with the rank bad, during the tournament itself, in a berth where there is a higher premium than many others on “certainty”, if you like.

The player is capable of sublime moves in the blink of an eyelid, but the successive matches he’s begun against New Zealand (23-13 loss), Italy (49-3 win) and now the quarter-final at RWC 2019 have also seen him make quite glaring errors with undesirable frequency.

That is no special comfort to Bok enthusiasts … and will be picked up on, you can be sure, by Warren Gatland and the other Welsh masterminds ahead of the semi.

Wales are a team renowned for keeping the ball in play as much as possible.

Outspoken, much-travelled guru and former Springbok centre Brendan Venter raised the stakes even higher, really, in a tweet (@BrendanVenter) after the Bok quarter-final in which he warned: “Wales will attack our backfield with an aerial bombardment.”

Based on his frankly wretched first half in a broad sense against Japan, and with memories of his high-ball frailty against the All Blacks in the pool opener still fairly vivid as well, is Le Roux the right medicine for fullback retention under such circumstances?

That will be something for Erasmus to mull over in some depth over the next few days.

Le Roux’s bravery should not be called into question: he had two pretty violent knocks relatively early in Sunday’s game, once when team-mate Pieter-Steph du Toit came clattering into a breakdown and his legs made contact accidentally with

the fullback’s head at some pace, and also a painful landing after a contest with Japan loose-forward strongman Michael Leitch in the air.

But the fact remained that his catching was too often “hit or miss”, his passing inexplicably inaccurate at times, too, and there was one spillage under no special pressure of a pass as the Boks looked to launch a rare ball-in-hand backline raid.

On the more positive side, Le Roux may yet be saved, selection-wise against Wales, by having fallen in line to some degree after halftime with the collective improvement of the Bok team, as they finally showed greater composure and turned screws clinically.

Still, debate will rage early in the week around possible better options in the last line of defence against the men in scarlet jerseys, who also blew decidedly hot and cold in pipping France in their quarter-final.

The situation may be complicated by tenacious little wing Cheslin Kolbe taking further physical punishment – he had been battling with an ankle problem ahead of the Japan clash – in the match; he had looked more assured under the aerial ball and has very sound No 15 credentials of his own.

While it is difficult to envisage Erasmus suddenly opting for the only nine-cap (including four fullback starts) Warrick Gelant for such a high-pressure encounter, versatile, broad-shouldered and enormously street-wise Frans Steyn wouldn’t be the worst call for the berth – especially with his renowned ability to hoof the ball back the proverbial mile when required to do so.

Steyn has largely been an impact substitute for the Boks in bigger matches at the tournament, but he sports 14 prior fullback appearances in green and gold, including some stellar showings in the spot during 2009, when South Africa won both the British and Irish Lions series and later the former Tri-Nations.


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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2019, 03:46
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22 Oct 2019, 03:46#2

I agree wee willie is wonky and I have always said so & to think some thought he was top tier. Who could possibly object to Steyn.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2019, 06:33
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22 Oct 2019, 06:33#3

I agreeWillie has been disappointing thus  far, but on Sunday he took two fearsome blows.....the one where Stephanie crashed into him had the makings of a serious injury.

Would we feel more secure with Kolbe or Willemse at the back.....I'm not sure we would.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Oct 2019, 06:42
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22 Oct 2019, 06:42#4

Willemse will have to be on the bench.

If Willie fails, replace him early.

Again, on Saturday our forwards dominated but between Faf's orders to kick and Pollard's inability to unlock defenses, we struggled for the first 40. 

That will cost us on Saturday.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Oct 2019, 06:45
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22 Oct 2019, 06:45#5

When was the last time Willie had a good game? By a good game I mean he was dependable under the high ball, didn't chip kick in the red zone when ball in hand was the better option ahead of a looming try line? Willie is rabble and has been long before the WC started. 

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Oct 2019, 06:52
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22 Oct 2019, 06:52#6

I'm not convinced young Willemse should be thrown in at the deep end......my take is exactly the same as prior to last week's game. Our back three should be Nkosi, Ma pimpi and Kolbe at fullback with Willie on the bench. The Boks cannot afford to have two snowflakes under the high ball in Willie and Mapimpi.....one is bad enough.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2019, 07:22
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22 Oct 2019, 07:22#7

Denny I personally wouldn't change anything with Kolbe, why change the only attacking aspect  that's working.


Willie has made some stupid handling errors and poor kicks. But he has also made a few brilliant open field tackles, been the distributor for some tries and actually taken some tough high balls. 


The poor pass to Kolbe against NZ and the dropped ball against Japan are obvious errors....but at this stage he is part of the DNA. Any solution either compromises something else or risks new errors.


I feel the same way about the Duds at this stage...we have waited too long to change them.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Oct 2019, 07:28
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22 Oct 2019, 07:28#8

JW

I like the sign - you were obviously baiting and thus far there was no takers. So leave it at that.  LOL

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
22 Oct 2019, 08:01
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22 Oct 2019, 08:01#9

naaah, I'm sick of Willie, been on his case for a while now, I'm surprised his poor play is suddenly catching attention. In a WC semi who can afford to live in the hope of a serial phony coming good.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
22 Oct 2019, 09:15
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22 Oct 2019, 09:15#10

Oh wow ... it's taken Mozart an age to discover "Wonky Willie"

Thanks, Denny for helping the poor old fool to see the light.

Willie has been "wonky" for a long time now. At least 5 years. He's just another unmerited selection in Rassies Quota Goats.

So sad that we have to endure watching third rate players like him represent the country.

Congrats Mozart. Glad you've finally come around!!


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2019, 18:30
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22 Oct 2019, 18:30#11
You have a problem with your  comprehension skills Carbuncle.....I wouldn't change Willie. But if Maakniks was available I might have been tempted......hahaha...not!  You sure know how to pick 'em!

And it would be nice on Saturday if we beat Wales.....if you would not take the deep  dive....as you did last Saturday.
Turncoat by name.....coward by nature.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Oct 2019, 19:38
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22 Oct 2019, 19:38#12
Agreed I would not drop Willie. Willie was good last year when Rassie recalled him. He has not fired this year but as Moz says he has had some good moments. de Allende was at best solid earlier in the year and is now on fire, Pollard, Faf and Kolisi had some good moments on Sunday We just need Willie to follow
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sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
22 Oct 2019, 19:42
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22 Oct 2019, 19:42#13
A few players have been inconsistent like Pollard, Marx and Willie. All have played better towards the end of the match. 
It was great to see Marx have a good 50 minutes on the field last week, his best of the season so far. So maybe Leroux will click again. 
Too late to try Kolbe at XV, as we dont know if it will sacrifice his attacking game- especially if the game plan is to kick bombs from the back. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2019, 19:50
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22 Oct 2019, 19:50#14

Take a  look at minute 34.....the Am attempted offload to Mapimpi that should probably have been a try. 

The key pass was thrown by Willie.....the Jap defender hit him hard in the chest area as he received the  ball.

But he threw the try creating  pass perfectly, it was the thing that  unlocked the defence in that move .  He is probably the only Bok who throws that pass.

One could find several other significant contributions. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:00
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22 Oct 2019, 20:00#15
When Willie Leroux first his the scene, he was playing wing. This gave him the ability to roam from the blind side as a second receiver. His most impactful aspect of his game is a playmaker, rather than a finisher. His passing skills can be on par with New Zealand backs when he is in form. 
Other than our halfback, the Boks do not have playmakers with this skill set. When Leroux moved to fullback, and then Pollard moved to 10, the Boks have used him less as second receiver. Also, opponents try to close him down as he is more of a known entity. 
 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:17
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22 Oct 2019, 20:17#16

Willie le Roux had a very good EOY tour in 2013 and he was excellent in the 2014 season. Since then he's been absolute rubbish. 

He's a complete and utter liability who's been living off his reputation for 5 years now. The only sportsman I can think of who lived off his reputation for longer than Willie was the cricketer Andrew Hudson.

Dump the overrated showpony. He was useless against Japan and he'll be useless against Wales. All this talk of "oh he might recover his form" is delusional pie in the sky. If a player has been off form for a game or two you can select him in the hope that he might find his form but when he's been crap for almost 5 years then it's time to pull the plug.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:23
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22 Oct 2019, 20:23#17
Disagree Rooi, I thought Willie was good on his return last year thanks to Rassie as Coetzee had previously ignored him. His form for Wasps was also good He has been poor this year but I think it’s too late in the WC to make such a big change
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:29
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22 Oct 2019, 20:29#18

Saffex, I have no idea what his form for Wasps was like but which tests did he play last year that you would call "good"?

All I've seen from Willie in recent years has been lack of commitment under the high ball, a turnstile defence and silly little chip kicks that serve no purpose other than to give possession back to the opposition.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:36
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22 Oct 2019, 20:36#19

In other words your mind is closed to any data that doesn't suit your narrative. You don't like Willie because he's a 'show pony'......whatever that means.


 To me he looks like a friendly bloke who enjoys his rugby and hasn't got a cowardly bone in his body. They always said the same about Monty.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:39
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22 Oct 2019, 20:39#20
Moffie, if I want the opinion of a childish, spiteful and self-important rugby noob then I'll be sure to address you. Until then, shut your stupid little trap and stop yapping for attention. No-one gives a toss what you think. I was talking to Saffex.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:44
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22 Oct 2019, 20:44#21
I can’t specify a test it’s more of an impression I have of him on his return. This year I can’t say the same I think the problem is we don’t have a viable alternative to Willie right now I liked the Gelant of old who looked to counter attack at every opportunity and was lethal at times. Sadly these days we see too many pointless kicks from him. Willemse looks a great prospect and could be the answer but has only just got back from injury Kolbe has not played fullback in years and Frans is a carthorse
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Oct 2019, 20:59
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22 Oct 2019, 20:59#22

Viable alternatives to Willie include Cheslin Kolbe, Damien Willemse, Warrick Gelant, Frans Steyn, Curwin Bosch, Tyrone Green, SP Marais, Andre Joubert, my granny and any of Klown's blow up sex dolls.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Oct 2019, 21:05
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22 Oct 2019, 21:05#23
The thing is Peeper, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. But I can see why you want to close down the debate, your position is untenable.
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Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
22 Oct 2019, 21:27
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22 Oct 2019, 21:27#24

Steyn. Willie isn't your kind of guy and I think he is held back in your dumb game plan. Steyn to nail down your 10 man rugby and power game. Maybe even Steyn at 10 and Pawlard at 12. Change it up! No more pretending when the Welshies come Knockin. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Oct 2019, 21:34
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22 Oct 2019, 21:34#25
Rooi you forget one of the best Fassi
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
22 Oct 2019, 21:37
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22 Oct 2019, 21:37#26

Indeed. You can definitely add Aphelele Fassi.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
22 Oct 2019, 21:41
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22 Oct 2019, 21:41#27
He looks like a sure bet for the future especially once he adds some muscle
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Oct 2019, 00:07
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23 Oct 2019, 00:07#28

Rooinek

Good job recognising the absolute live wire Tyrone Green.

Here's hoping he explodes in 2020.

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