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Boks in worst condition Meyer has seen them

Started by Beeno19 REPLIES206 VIEWS· 22 Jun 2014, 16:12
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jun 2014, 16:12
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22 Jun 2014, 16:12#1

re June test window. How long before the penny drops that we cant go on like this. We MUST have a central contracting system. The failure to have one and the exodus of pla yers is ruining our chances.

Ex Supersport:

Duane Vermeulen and Bismarck du Plessis were two players who have played every game that they have been available for this year who played well against Wales in Nelspruit, but most of the rest looked tired and jaded and even Vermeulen and Du Plessis should be safeguarded lest they break down later in the season.

I don’t want to be making excuses, but this is the worst condition I have seen the players in during the June international window. I am really concerned about the state of the players,” said Meyer at the post-match press conference at the Mbombela Stadium.

He can do something about that this weekend if he chooses to, and it will be interesting to see how brave he will be in his selection. If he uses the argument that he has in justifying some of his other selections, namely that he knows what certain players can do, then it would be logical for Strauss to start at hooker this week, with Du Plessis taking a well deserved rest, and important player though he is, there is no logical reason for Willem Alberts to risk the injury that forced him off after 25 minutes in Nelspruit. 

It appears Alberts will be available for the game, as Meyer deemed the injury “not too serious” afterwards, but the Sharks flanker is one of the players who has been on the treadmill non-stop since the start of Super Rugby. Meyer can’t rely on the franchise coaches to rest players, particularly not the Sharks, who go into a critical phase of the season at the end of the June window, so this is his chance to set an example by himself doing what others aren’t prepared to do.

If Goosen is over his knee injury and ready to play against Scotland, he is the logical selection into the No 10 jersey as Meyer has been itching to see him develop and said recently that the Cheetahs star was one of the most talented young South African player he has seen in years.

I am sure he would have developed into an established Springbok test flyhalf by now if he’d been able to continue with what he started when he was first selected in 2012 rather than being forced out with injury,” said Meyer. (But now there is Pollard)

However Pollard is also a precocious talent and there would be a good argument to leapfrog him over Boshoff and into the match day squad. Bok skipper Victor Matfield last Friday described Pollard as a player who is mature and wise beyond his years and that is certainly also the impression you get watching the Bulls star from the sidelines, so it's time to accelerate his progress so that he can have enough experience by this time next year to be a World Cup option.

And the same argument can be used for some of the other players who have been part of the squad without getting game time thus far in the June series. This is an opportunity for Meyer to grow his squad, something that may seem more necessary now after the Nelspruit game sent out the reminder that the top players aren't super-humans who are immune to the vagaries of form and physical condition.

Come on Meyer lets see Marcel van der Merwe and others get a shot. They are chanping at the bit and will do a better job than tired jaded players. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2014, 16:22
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22 Jun 2014, 16:22#2
 Beeno
Despite the article mention of Alberts being acceptable - he ws pathetic in both Super 15 and in the last three games.   He is markedly slower this year than last year and his tackling has gone back badly.   He loafs most of the times behind the mauls and hs become a show pony.  
Never was a player that could do breakdown ball protection and recovery and he cannot handle balls - catching and passing balls is beyond him.  His defense at times is a joke in bad taste.    This guy is a serious joke in bad taste.     
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jun 2014, 16:24
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22 Jun 2014, 16:24#3
 The current squad is:

Forwards (16): Willem Alberts (Sharks), Schalk Burger (Stormers), Marcell Coetzee (Sharks), Lodewyk de Jager (Cheetahs), Bismarck du Plessis (Sharks), Jannie du Plessis (Sharks), Siya Kolisi (Stormers), Victor Matfield (Bulls), Teboho Mohoje (Cheetahs), Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks), Coenie Oosthuizen (Cheetahs), Adriaan Strauss (Cheetahs), Flip van der Merwe (Bulls), Marcel van der Merwe (Bulls), Duane Vermeulen (Stormers), Callie Visagie (Bulls)

Backs (14): Fourie du Preez (Suntory), JJ Engelbrecht (Bulls), Johan Goosen (Cheetahs), Cornal Hendricks (Cheetahs), Francois Hougaard (Bulls), Zane Kirchner (Leinster), Willie le Roux (Cheetahs), Lwazi Mvovo (Sharks), Ruan Pienaar (Ulster), JP Pietersen (Sharks), Handre Pollard (Bulls), Jan Serfontein (Bulls), S'bura Sithole (Sharks), Frans Steyn (Sharks)

Bok team for Scotland?:

Va Der Merwe, Strauss (Capt) Coenie

Loodt, Flip

Marcell, Van der Walt (bring him in) Schalk

Du Preez, Goosen 

Jan and Jordaan

JP, Mvovo and Kirchner (Give Willie a break)


Bench:

Beast, Visagie, Jannie

Matfield, Vermulen

Pienaar, Pollard and Willie

Some key players on Bench. Lest there are any wise-cracks victor makes the bench as Alberts must be rested.



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jun 2014, 16:27
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22 Jun 2014, 16:27#4
 I think we must find better at 7. Big 7 = Jaque du Plessis.
How about Louw, Van der Walt (8) and Vermue len 7 - he has played a lot of rugby at 7.Schalk though was better than you made out
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2014, 17:07
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22 Jun 2014, 17:07#5
Beeno
I would rather see Labuschagne than Burger anywhere near the squad.   Burger has weakened badly in execution. 
There is no way the Sharks players should even eb on the bench and to put Matfield on the bench will be an insult.
Not sure whether Goosen has fully recovered and I think Meyer does not want to have anything more to do with Engelbrecht.  I assume that the Irish and Japanese players will not be used n Saturday as well.
Meyer should pick the following players for the game on Saturday:-
15  Le Rouc,  14  Pietersen,   13 Jordaan,  12 Serfontein,  11  Hendricks, 10 Goosen (if fit - otherwise Pollard),  9  Reinach,  8  Vermeulen,  7  Labuschagne (if back from injury- otherwise Du Plessis), 6  Coetzee,  5  De Jager, 4  Etzebeth (if fully fit - he is supposed to be back for the Stormers next week in any event),  3  Malherbe (if fit after Concussion - otherwisse Van der Merwe),  2 Strauss (c),  Van der Merwe (Lions)
Bench :
16   Visagie.  17  Nyakane,  18  Coenie,  19  Willenmse,  20  Du Plessis, 21 Groom, 22 Pollard (if not starting) 23 Mvovo
I make an exception for Pietersen - he has a contract with the Sharks and will play in the remiander of Super 15 and omit the other Japan based players - since the match is outside of the June window period.   If Pietersen is out - then Sithole.
Beeno - I have great respect for Schalk - but he seems to be a powder-puff player at this stage - no sting anymore.   Maybe he is afraid of further injuries - he does not go all out anymore like he used to do.  
Meyer would most likely stick with Matfield - but the latter is no real asset anymore - worse than the powder puff Burger.
I picl L:abuschagtne - because he was in the Meyer squad before and would have been again if it was not for his injury.  Do not know whether he is matchfit though - but if niot fully fit - will produce twice as much as Alberts do under normal circumstances in any event.                        
I see no reason for not playing le Roux - he will play two further matches in Super 15 and then get nearly a month rest before the RC commences.
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
22 Jun 2014, 17:20
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22 Jun 2014, 17:20#6
 Yes.....and Meyer continues to select the same 15 player each week to add to the problem.
SA rugby has got depth (excellent young players) who can stand the pace....not old worn out players than are continually played each and every week.
The guys from the Unions must get together with the national coach and all must stand up to the SA Rugby Union about the number of test/Currie cup and S15 games the players can handle without burning out.
Bismark is a shining example of just being over played and fast approaching the burnt out stage.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Jun 2014, 17:38
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22 Jun 2014, 17:38#7
Sure lets have Marcel, Lappies, Jordaan, Reinach and Coetzee....and just in case we are close, lets have Kirchner to miss a tackle and lose to Scotland. You guys are clueless.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2014, 17:41
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22 Jun 2014, 17:41#8
 AJ
What I cannot understand from Meyer's comments is the fact that the players have been with Meyer now for three weeks - did he not see that they are deteriorating because of overplaying?   He should at kleast have got an inkling int eh first test when serious signs of problems were already in evidence among the forwards at least.Meyer is onto the wrong horse here - he is also guilty a- as you sad - of sticking to the established players come hell or high water - no rotation is also his problems.   
It is also clear that the geriatrics start petering out in the second game and he used them  in three games in succession.     
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jun 2014, 17:51
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22 Jun 2014, 17:51#9
 Mozart 
 I am sorry - but the clueless one in this case is you.  It is a fact that  Meyer painted himself into a corner with the squad selection and now - with the departure of his overseas players he is in a quandary.    He can proceed with the powder-puff local geriatrics who buggered up badly yesterday and started deteriorating much earlier - which I think he will do - but he has very little space to operate.  
You are wrong with most players - like you are all the time when dealing with players you personally do not like and give credit to players who under-perform badly if they are favoured by you - trying to deny the under-performance.  It will not help - Meyer cannot proceed with yesterdays team into the CR - they will be destroyed by OZ and NZ and will even struggle against Argentina.       

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
22 Jun 2014, 20:09
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22 Jun 2014, 20:09#10
 So, ou Maaikie, did you really think that HM is as dim as you are? Did you really think that he did not plan his preparations according to international windows, etc in mind? Do  you really think that he realised on last Friday: "Oh fuck, what now? Why wasn't I told that I will not have the overseas players available?". Wake up  sunshine. HM is thinking light-years ahead of what your feeble mind can comprehend. FFS,you are still trying to figure out which lock scrum behind which prop.
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