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Boks know how to win at Ellis Park

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Oct 2013, 10:16
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02 Oct 2013, 10:16#1

Ex Keo

The Springboks have scored 11 tries in their last two Tests against the All Blacks at Ellis Park. Expect more of the same on Saturday.

The All Blacks have only ever conceded 40 points three times in their history. Once was in a 41-32 defeat against France in Marseilles. The other two times were at Ellis Park, in 2000 and in 2004, and it is the only two times the Boks have hosted the All Blacks at their spiritual home in the last 10 years. (HOW STUPID IS THAT!!!!!!!!!)

The Boks know how to score tries against the All Blacks at Ellis Park.

And the All Blacks know how to be spooked at Ellis Park.

The London Telegraph’s Mick Cleary wrote that Ellis Park is a venue where even the All Blacks fear to tread.(Why the even I wonder ?)

It is certainly no impossibility that the Boks will score four tries on Saturday and win by more than seven points. (You listening kiwi bird brains and Cloudy - for rooitwit and Boklogics benefit)

The All Blacks need a bonus point only to win their second successive Rugby Championship. The Boks must win with a bonus point and ensure the Kiwis get nothing.

It isn’t unfamiliar territory, as witnessed in 2000 and 2004. In 2000, the Boks led 33-13 at half-time, but with 10 minutes to go trailed 40-39. Werner Swanepoel scored the sixth try in a six try to four win as the hosts triumphed 46-40.

Nick Mallett coached the Boks that day.(Now there is a really good coach not coaching an SA side - crazy really)

In 2004 Jake White was in charge of a Bok team that retired half the All Blacks starting line-up that got whipped 40-26 (No wonder the abs live in such dread of Ellis Park and the Boks). The Boks scored five tries to two and Marius Joubert got only the second Springbok hattrick against the Boks.

Ellis Park record – and brief summary as provided by NZ Herald

1992 All Blacks 27 Springboks 24

Historic first test between the two since isolation. The All Blacks bolted out to a decent lead as their grasp of regular test match rugby told on their less sophisticated foes. The pack’s cohesion, a quick-thinking Zinzan Brooke try and Grant Fox’s kicking gave them a lead to soak up the Boks’ spirited late comeback.

1995 Springboks 15 All Blacks 12

The World Cup final to top all. The whole day was astonishing – the pre-match food poisoning, Jonah Lomu’s tackling bounty, the jumbo jet fly-past, Nelson Mandela’s appearance, the extra-time drop goal climax in Joel Stransky’s favour, the relentless revelry.(The pre match poisoning - do these kiwis actually believe this nonsense - the abs played well over 80 minutes of rugby suffering from food poisoning. Bwahhahahahahaha please oaks if you are going to talk nonsense try and lace it with some intelligence - contradictory I know but you get my drift)

1996 Springboks 32 All Blacks 22

The All Blacks had lost some of their sting after claiming their first series win in South Africa the week before. The teams scored three tries each but Andrew Mehrtens, back after missing the previous two tests, was not as sharp with his goalkicking as Henry Honiball and Andre Joubert.

1997 All Blacks 35 Springboks 32

Four tries to two should have nailed the test for the visitors but Jannie de Beer’s extraordinary tally of conversions, penalties and dropped goals kept the Boks in there. Carlos Spencer’s goalkicking could be erratic but his nerve held for six successes and the narrow triumph.

2000 Springboks 46 All Blacks 40

There were 10 tries in this free-ranging match, the Boks leading 33-13 in the first half until Mehrtens’ drop goal 15 minutes from time had the All Blacks in front. A converted Bok try reversed that before the All Blacks’ vain search for victory from a scrum in front of the Bok posts.

2004 Springboks 40 All Blacks 26

Lithe Bok centre Marius Joubert made three of his side’s tries as they applied more heat than the All Blacks. Defeat ended the visitors’ chances of a Tri-Nations title and sparked all sorts of changes (notably Daniel Carter to first five-eighth) for the end-of-year tour to Europe.

So winning the RC is still on and should we win the game regardless morally the trophy is ours given the travesty re Bissie etc.

KW
Kayne WestRookie28 posts
02 Oct 2013, 10:24
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02 Oct 2013, 10:24#2

 Albeano are you already conceding defeat and claiming a moral victory just in case like an insurance policy should you lose ?

 Does'nt sound like confidence. Sounds more like defeatist talk.

 

Take heart that NZ hardly ever win at Ellis Park . Abit like South Africa at Sun Corp stadium but we all know what happened there.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Oct 2013, 10:50
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02 Oct 2013, 10:50#3
 cain I thought it obvious what I was saying. If we win the game but don't get a 5 pointer we morally win the RC - got it? 
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
02 Oct 2013, 11:27
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02 Oct 2013, 11:27#4
 Is their a moral RC trophy up for grabs Hasbeeno? Haven't seen that one. Sounds like a General Excellence award to me......no real talent but always gives it a go!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
02 Oct 2013, 11:45
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02 Oct 2013, 11:45#5
 I think they should give a "participation" award. 
It's fine with me if they include text such as:
"in recognition of the Bok team for showing up & taking the loss with only 5 yellow cards & 3 complaints about the ref. such "progress" might be considered by some a "moral victory ".

Footnote: award subject to review of bismarck's brutal tackle of the ref.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Oct 2013, 13:15
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02 Oct 2013, 13:15#6
 

Just remember old Snor's wisdom...some encouragement...lol

 

We won on the field but not on the scoreboard.

 

If I am the weakest line then we are bloody strong. I am a God-given talent. I am the best I can ever be. I know what I am and I don't give a damn.

 

 "I am going to pull a rat out of the hat.'
 
 "Why don't we go to the nearest ballet shop, get some tutus and get a dancing shop going? There will be no eye gouging, no tackling, no nothing, and we will enjoy it.'

- Reacting to Schalk Burger eye gouging British and Irish Lions wing Luke Fitzgerald
 
"There is little difference between winning and losing except you feel better after winning.'
 
 "Graham Henry is a good coach, but he is like me, he has a big mouth.'
- Commenting on the current New Zealand coach
 
 "No one is born a rugby player. You are born a person who becomes a rugby player and I can enhance this with warmth and reach your soul and make you realise there is life after rugby.'
 
 "I always knew I was destined for something big - but I did not realise it would be this big (Springbok coach). Whatever job I did I always excelled at it, and quickly. Time is not a concern to me and I will work 24 hours to get a job done, knowing hard work is always rewarded.'
 
 "I will not change my style. If I change my style I will change Peter de Villiers and then I would have to tell God that he made a mistake when he made me.'
 
 "We are very organised at the moment (after winning 2009 Tri-Nations). We do not want to become a fruit salad.'
 
 "I have got a job to do. I think I am a strong individual, a strong character. I do not care what people think about me. I do not care what people say about me. It is what I think about me and myself - and I love myself a lot.'

 

"Some people are too focused on the scoreboard, but the scoreboard doesn’t get you through to the next round – a win does." 

 

When you walk through the shadow of the valley of death, sometimes it’s difficult to know which side your bread is buttered

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
02 Oct 2013, 13:26
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02 Oct 2013, 13:26#7
 or JW how about this, " an award for the Boks finishing the game with 15men actually on the field and no yellow cards or red cards" 
AB
All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
02 Oct 2013, 13:36
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02 Oct 2013, 13:36#8
 I think the South African fans need this win a lot more than the All Black ones do.

A loss at home at Ellis Park to the All Blacks would be 4 losses in a row including 2 home losses.  (Boks win 57% at home against ABs compared to ABs winning over 72% at home v Boks) 

This is their big chance they have been waiting along time for some bragging rights and all the years of recent hurt will be forgotten with 1 win they must be nearly bursting at the seams.
If they can't beat us at their fortress then all the doubts about Meyer will be posted all over this site.  Morne will get most of the blame, and cmike will blame half the team etc.... Beeno will think they still won and blame the ref. Then they usually argue with each other, all good reading.

Where a loss for ABs (and they will probably still wrap up the Rugby Championship)
won't be near as hard to take, and make them a better team going forward.  They normally drop 1 away test each year.


MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
02 Oct 2013, 20:21
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02 Oct 2013, 20:21#9
its lukcy the Boks arent playing the french at ellis park.

les bleu has an impressive 100% win rate against the Boks there, just like the All Blacks do in soccer city.

@allblackNZ,
"If they can't beat us at their fortress then all the doubts about Meyer will be posted all over this site.  Morne will get most of the blame, and cmike will blame half the team etc.... Beeno will think they still won and blame the ref."
LMFAO,

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
02 Oct 2013, 21:44
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02 Oct 2013, 21:44#10
 Agree with Sasuke...very lucky they meet the ordinary All Black style (the ordinary style of simply playing good BALANCED rugby) and not the throwing of bones that the French do...they even foil the AB's...the dumb Saffas are easy to foil...I hope I'm totally wrong but another dimension will set us all back to the drawing board scratching our brilliant heads!
AB
All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:39
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03 Oct 2013, 13:39#11
 South Africa have a winning % of 70 at Ellis Park.  Which is well below the All Blacks winning % at all the All Blacks home grounds except 1. (69% Athletic Park) and well below most of them.  Eden Park and Carisbrook are in the mid 80s.

IH
IhiClub Pro201 posts
03 Oct 2013, 13:45
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03 Oct 2013, 13:45#12
 yeah because of cheating and corription in the game in new zealand. its only matter of time before corruption around new zealand leakes or is exposed like cricket. only matter of time!
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