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Boks Mentally weak?

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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
02 Sept 2013, 17:01
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02 Sept 2013, 17:01#1
Physically the Boks are more than capable, but is it their mental fortitude that is lacking, against Argentina in that 2nd test they were dominated physically in some areas and seemed to switch off, a complete reversal of the previous week where they kept the foot on the throat.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
02 Sept 2013, 17:16
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02 Sept 2013, 17:16#2

 No it is the breakdown area where things usually go wrong for the Boks. 

When the boks perform well at the breakdown they usually turnup.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Sept 2013, 18:18
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02 Sept 2013, 18:18#3

 

When you have your national coach speaking of how he’d love to have a “talent” like Cooper in his team … what kind of message is he passing on to the boys?

 

He also stated that Folau is the best game breaker in the modern game … doesn’t speak much for what he thinks of his outside backs … does it?

 

Maybe it’s dawned on him that his boys aren’t as good as he wants us to believe.

 

Mental strength may be an issue … it goes hand in hand with self belief and confidence and I personally feel that this is where the coach has to step in and get his boys pumped. 

 

If the lack luster showing against the Pumas continues we will be completely demolished in the next two tests.

 

I wonder how long we have to wait before Meyer does his job?

 

I think the boys are starting to see through this sham of a coach. Meyer inspired the Bulls to greatness … how come he cannot seem to do the same with the Bokke??

 

There’s more to this than meets the eye …

 

KA
KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
02 Sept 2013, 18:39
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02 Sept 2013, 18:39#4

CleanCut my man, do we as fans always have all the facts or do we base our critisism on half-truths and distorted facts by the media?  ((Except for clairvoiant Saffex he has all the facts all the time!)) If Meyer did indeed spur the bulls to greatness, who put kryptonite in his drink?  Surely a coach does not go backwards?  Leaves us (us without the complete facts) to ponder whether indeed he was the main peanut in the Bulls success or was he merely a player in a bigger cogg?

 

I have more faith in him than in his assistants in the Bok camp.  Clearly we did not opt for the best in bacline coach etc?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2013, 20:54
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02 Sept 2013, 20:54#5
Freddie My problem with Meyer is he inspired the Bulls to greatness a decade ago - when the game plan is vastly different to the present scenario The laws has been amended drastically since then - making for a more attacking brand of rugby. Meyer got stuck in the 2004 mould and there is no sign that he has made any progress since then. It is because of that problem that we are going nowhere under Meyer - nothing else. He identified breakdown ball recovery as a problem - appoint a consultant - but then select a back row that is immobile and physically unable to do the job - because they are too slow, too clumsy and many would say too fat - eg Alberts.
KA
KalaedFreddieClub Pro495 posts
02 Sept 2013, 21:21
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02 Sept 2013, 21:21#6

 Coenie may be faster than Alberts, come to think of it.  It is all good to want to have big slow forwards but then you must not complain if you do not turn any ball.  Look at the stats they tell the story about the incumbent loosies.  Flow is still OK but we need a loosie with some speed to assist him.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Sept 2013, 22:28
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02 Sept 2013, 22:28#7

CC, I don't have a problem with Meyer's comments regarding Quade Coper and Israel Folau. Truth is, we don't have a flyhalf with half the talent of Cooper nor do we have a winger in this country anywhere near as good as Folau.

 

Don't think I'd swap a single Springbok forward for a Wallaby forward, but there's no denying some of the talent in their backline.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
02 Sept 2013, 23:30
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02 Sept 2013, 23:30#8

@rooy,

id swap horwill for any of the saffa lock options they have at the moment except for lady elizaebth.

i would also swap both liam gill and hooper for louw every day of the week and twice on sunday.

i rate moore, but not more then both strauss and bizzy.

i rate mowen too, but hes turning into spies, dude seriously needs to pull his finger and get stuck into it.

i also reckon that habana is still the goods, if it was a RWC final and i had to choose between habana and folau, i would choose habana easy.
habana has got better rugby union nous then folau, but come the 2015, it wouldnt surprise me to see folau the top outside back in the world, but hes not there yet and has a lot of learning/work to do.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
03 Sept 2013, 00:09
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03 Sept 2013, 00:09#9

 Hooper could fit nicely into the backrow, this would improve the breakdown performance.

the rest of the Wallaby forwards they can keep.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Sept 2013, 02:50
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03 Sept 2013, 02:50#10

No Poly it has stuff all to do with the mental edge and everything to do with the wrong players on the field been instructed by the wrong coach......you get it?

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
03 Sept 2013, 08:18
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03 Sept 2013, 08:18#11
@Rootnek I agree actually... On paper it would be hard to choose an Aussie forward over book's forwards - obviously an on-baller like hooper / gill / pocock - but you guys have this in Brussow you just choose not to use him... @Suss - I wanted to see Mowen develop into a K Read but don't know after last couple of showings @ 8 - he missed a couple of soft tackles v kiwis and he's probably lost his position @ 6 to Fardy - because hes shaping up to be the find of the season..... Re Aussie backs - JOC / Folau / Genia (without the stupid box kick & quicker passing) / QC (in attack) - still missing some dominance in the mid-field although Lele's kicking is superb - for the first time in decades Aussies have a kicker that gives you SOME confidence when stepping up to the plate........
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Sept 2013, 10:23
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03 Sept 2013, 10:23#12

 

Rooinek … I do not rate Cooper at all. His fancy play does more harm than good. He’s a liability in my opinion and I would much rather stick with the one dimensional Steyn …

 

Folau is a special talent. He’ll go down in history as an all time great, if he sticks to this code. I would also bring him into my team without thinking twice, however that’s not my point … was it necessary for Meyer to mouth off to all and sundry just how awesome the enemy is? We have a few inexperienced kids in the mix like Le Roux, who look up to the coach for guidance, support and encouragement. This kind of talk influences them … negatively.  

 

 Did he refer to any one of our players being quite capable and talented enough to stand his man against the supposed talent of Cooper and Folau?

 

Why not?  

 

The title of this thread reads  … “Boks are mentally weak?” … this is a big part of today’s game and as far as I’m concerned Meyer stuffed up.

 

His inexperience is showing itself more and more as time goes by. He should be taken to task.

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Sept 2013, 10:43
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03 Sept 2013, 10:43#13

Fortunately for the Boks they are not in a vacuum & other teams are still developing mental toughness also.

Mental toughness/self belief:

Boks 25%: new coach, players & doubts about the system (+ fans are not fully behind the team and this negatively impacts even the most professional player)

Oz 50% New players, coach and system that is still being put in place. They need that arrogant, loud & abrassive attitude to be at their best - unfortunately.

ABs 65%: can always be better and not yet projecting fear in all before them, lol

A few wins against credible opposition and Boks and Oz will improve greatly, especially the Boks.

 

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