FIXTURESNo upcoming fixtures — check back soon.
FORUM / RUGBY /  Boks moving forward

Boks moving forward

Started by Saffolk 17 REPLIES1,400 VIEWS· 12 Jul 2017, 16:12
SHAREXFACEBOOKWHATSAPPTELEGRAMREDDITLINKEDIN
SA
Saffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Jul 2017, 16:12
#1
12 Jul 2017, 16:12#1

With Venter clearly making a difference as he has done at Saracens and with Italy, is there a glimmer of hope that the Bok fortunes under useless Coetzee are turning. Let’s keep Mr nice guy as the figure head saying all the right things while leaving the coaching, direction and selections to Venter and Smith. The addition of Rassie in whatever capacity can only be a good thing as well.


We have options aplenty, we just cant go wrong:


Wider squad, with near certainties (45) in bold. Drop the stupid 30 test cap based abroad crap.


Fullback: Willie / Coetzee / Gelant


Wings: Combrink / Ismeil / Ulengo / v/Wyk / Nkosi / Tambwe/ Skosan / Senatla / Sergel Petersen / Kolbe / Rhule


Centres: Janse v Rensburg / Kriel / de Allende / Vorster / Am / EW.Viljoen/ Serfontein / Odendaal / Venter / Esterhuizen


Flyhalves: Jantjies / Pollard / Lambie / Goosen / du Preez / du Plessis / Willemse


Scrumhalves: Hougaard / Faf / Reinach / Groom / Schrauder


Props: Kitshoff / Nyakane / du Toit / Kebble / Schoeman / Nqoboko / Wilco Louw / Malherbe / Marcel v/d Merwe / Coenie / Koch


Hookers: Marx / Bismark / Akkers / Ox Nche (better suited) / Mbonambi / Scara


Locks: Etzebeth / Lood / PSDT / Paul Willemse / Jenkins / Snyman / Lewies / Ruan Botha / Erasmus


Loosies: Marcel Coetzee / Liebenberg / Mtembu / Notshe / Arno Botha / Jaco Kriel / Kolisi / Carr / Cloete / Kwagga / Jacques du Plessis / Mostert (better suited) / Kirsten / JL du Preez / D du Preez / Ackerman / Elsatdt / Oupa


We need to move on from Rhule, de Jongh, Cronje, Paige, Dreyer, Mbonambi and Oupa


 

MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jul 2017, 18:18
#2
12 Jul 2017, 18:18#2
Notshe a near certainty....hell he wasn't even decent against the useless Frogs.
MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jul 2017, 18:22
#3
12 Jul 2017, 18:22#3
Notshe a near certainty....hell he wasn't even decent against the useless Frogs. Agree we have to move on from the group at the bottom of your list....except Cronje who was much more fluid than the winger Hougaard.
DB
DbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
12 Jul 2017, 19:39
#4
12 Jul 2017, 19:39#4
 Cronje? Which one? Ross? He had a great match. Solid.
CL
CleanCut
Pro9,905 posts
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Jul 2017, 08:20
#5
13 Jul 2017, 08:20#5
 
Dave ... I couldn't help but chuckle at some of your choices.

You have some great picks there ... obvious selections though ... but damn. boet ... some of them suck big time.

Listing Carr as one of your certainties is hilarious but I managed to control the urge to let rip.

HouGat? Reinach? Senatla? Jacque Du Plessis? Kolisi? Notshe? Jesse Kriel? De Allende on his current form ... common? Lood? ... and so the list goes on.

No Dave.

As they say in Afrikaans ... "jy sit die pot mis, ou swaer" ...





BE
Beeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jul 2017, 12:36
#6
13 Jul 2017, 12:36#6
 Snapster I refer you to my Bok side which if the definitive selection!
CE
Ceradyne
Pro9,374 posts
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
13 Jul 2017, 14:35
#7
13 Jul 2017, 14:35#7
Jawellnofine. Suddenly a lot of optimism about the Boks. I can see everybody reaching for this website pretty soon: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.wikihow.com/Recork-Champagne%3Famp%3D1
BL
bluebok
Pro3,977 posts
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
13 Jul 2017, 15:06
#8
13 Jul 2017, 15:06#8
I agree 100% Cera....people forget very quickly. Hey, I very much hope we are both proven to be wrong! Although, even in our fragile state, we should be able to get passed the Aussies and Arg...so we may well land up second in the Rugga Champs.  
CH
Chippo
Pro3,372 posts
CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
13 Jul 2017, 15:16
#9
13 Jul 2017, 15:16#9
 @saffex
did you purposefully forget Whiteley?


BL
bluebok
Pro3,977 posts
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
13 Jul 2017, 15:17
#10
13 Jul 2017, 15:17#10
Saffman doesn't rate Whitely. Left out on purpose. 
MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jul 2017, 15:45
#11
13 Jul 2017, 15:45#11
We will sweat bullets to beat the Aussies in Australia....hopefully we can take both games from the Bargies though.
MO
Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jul 2017, 15:48
#12
13 Jul 2017, 15:48#12
According to Dave Whiteley is not physical enough, which may be right in a Lions/AB style match. But then he rates the feeble Notshe as a certainty....confusing.
SA
Saffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2017, 11:42
#13
18 Jul 2017, 11:42#13

Yeah big fan of Notshe but not as a starter, has great speed and skill - probably the quickest loosie we have, along with Kwagga.


Don't rate Whiteley at test level - he disappears as he is simply not physical enough. Good player though.


Cronje is utterly useless offers nothing with ball in hand and takes 2 or 3 steps before he passes.......sad excuse for a 9. Hell I'd rather have old men Pienaar or du Preez playing ahead of Cronje.


Hougaard needs time to build a partnership with Jantjies, he has been simply outstanding at 9 for Worcester.


One scrummie that has leaped up the rankings is Schrauder of the Kings, always rated him but he played second fiddle to Groom at the Stormers.


CC - I cant take you seriously when it comes to rugby choices - anyone who has question marks over Kolisi after his phenomenal displays against France needs their head checked. Same can be said of Jessie Kriel for the Boks and Bulls of late - he has been simply outstanding  

RO
Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Jul 2017, 11:55
#14
18 Jul 2017, 11:55#14
"CC - I cant take you seriously when it comes to rugby choices - anyone who has question marks over Kolisi after his phenomenal displays against France needs their head checked."

Dave, it's equally difficult to take someone seriously when they pretend that there isn't a 30 cap limit on overseas based players.

These teams including the likes of Marcel Coetzee, Jacques du Plessis, Paul Willemse and Marcel van der Merwe are just pie-in-the-sky wishlists and not to be taken seriously.
SA
Saffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2017, 12:08
#15
18 Jul 2017, 12:08#15

Rooi - unless of course they wake up and change that stupid rule if they want to be taken seriously as rugby challengers.


Imagine being stupid enough to exclude Marcel Coetzee and Serfontein with their 29 caps - the rule needs to be revised, which is open to change according to articles I have read on the subject.



RO
Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Jul 2017, 12:12
#16
18 Jul 2017, 12:12#16
Well if they change the rule then feel free to include them in these sides. Until then there is no point.

Also note that the last Springbok team to take the field had 4 black players in the starting XV. I don't think you can realistically expect that number to drop either.

Those are the realities we are faced with.
SA
Saffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jul 2017, 12:16
#17
18 Jul 2017, 12:16#17
I'd easily find 4 black players as we have more than enough merit players of colour to make up the pathetic quota........whether they are the best in their respective positions is debateable, but test standard many are.
RO
Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Jul 2017, 12:18
#18
18 Jul 2017, 12:18#18
Agree.
— END OF THREAD —

More from Rugby