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Boks need one key to beat the All Blacks and three to win the RC/4nats

Started by Monkey D Luffy4 REPLIES226 VIEWS· 30 Sept 2013, 02:48
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Sept 2013, 02:48
#1
30 Sept 2013, 02:48#1

to beat the All Blacks,
the Boks need to dig deep into their core and pull out every last speck of 10man rugby and throw it in the All Blacks face and the key here lies with general du preez

fourie du preez, his return to the Boks has been phenomenal, even the most ardent die hard du preez supporter couldnt have imagined his return to be so effective.
his all round halfback game is just class and hes got the best kicking game in the business, easily the best kicking halfback in the world if not ever.
morne always plays better outside his former bulls partner in crime and ive always believed that its cos du preez was the general who would greatly lighten the load of responsibility when it came to the kicking duties, this in turn had a positive domino like effect on morne whose kicking game would also be enhanced thanks to the pressure which du preez help absorb and other factors. which leads to my next point,,,

10 man rugby might be boring as fudge, but its what has defined Springbok rugby for as long as ive been watching them and IMO there have been none better at implementing a 10man rugby plan the way du preez and morne did for most of their flyhalf partnership career.
a strong 10 man kicking game and the All Blacks being a little off (God forbid) would be enough to see the Boks get their 2nd win over the All Blacks from their last 9 games, but it wont be enough to win the RC/4nats title.

to win the big one,
the Boks need to win and score trys 4 to be exact and thats not going to be easy, especially against the All Blacks who have not once conceded any RC/4nats championship points ever, let alone a 4 try bonus point .

if the Boks look to play an expansive game, All Blacks will simply bury them alive, regardless of the Bok fans think, attacking rugby is not an instinctive nature for the brus in green. this was very obvious in the eden park test where the stereotypical Bok 10man rugby plan reared its head once more as if on schedule and the locals (most not all) would have realised this if they werent so focused on poite.

what is part of south african rugby DNA though is the rolling mauls, a tactic which IMO is the one and only thing the All Blacks are not world leaders in.
a concentrated effort this week from meyer on the lineouts is an absolute must, they should get in matfield to give his two cents and help out, cos the Boks cant afford to even let the All Blacks gain parity here, they must win and dominate their lineouts period.

if the Boks can pick up a try through other means, thats a bonus and will make the job on the forwards a lot easier, but right now in order for the Boks to win the RC/4nats, they need to put all their eggs in three baskets strong kicking game, rolling mauls and defence.
if the Boks just want to beat the All Blacks, then a strong kicking game.

the other issue is both outcomes require the All Blacks to be off and while they havent been on top of their game 100% all the time, they have been for the most part.

should be an epic match either way, :o)

BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
30 Sept 2013, 03:03
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30 Sept 2013, 03:03#2

Thats funny sasu... the boks already got keys.....monkeys, donkeys.... or did ya mean whiskey?

 

 

.....and they're gunna score four tries ...too funny. 

 

 Cue Mission Impossible music...and Batman theme for Super Yarpy...

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
30 Sept 2013, 03:26
#3
30 Sept 2013, 03:26#3
@Sasuke- Some valid points raised, others perhaps subjectively applied.


In 2013 the Boks have played a far more expansive game for many a year. 
In the PDV era the boks lacked a game plan and this made the Springboks very conservative. 
I believe the Springboks have scored the most tries in the tournament so far. 
The biggest defeats(Argentina and Australia) have been at the hands of the Springboks.
This should however be taken into context that the Bok forwards have been the most dominant of all 4 nations- therefore given some good ball to the backs.
Steven Hansen has also commented on the balanced and expansive approach by the Boks so far this year.

Having Habana and LeRoux on the wings, with Fourie Dupreez at 9, and the inform JDV things have been somewhat expansive this year.

The only game that the Boks did not play expansive was against the All Blacks, and regardless of the opposition this was the worst bok performance in the tournament so far.
If anything the kicking game by the boks in NewZealand was also crap, and Ruan Pienaar has his worst performance in ages. 


I disagree that if the Boks should not play an expansive game against the ABS.
The Boks should go wide but only when it is the best option. The helter skelter of shoving the ball non stop from side to side- ala touch rugby style works for the ABS as their backs have the best passing skills in the game. Even when the forwards are getting whipped like against Argentina, this approach eventually leads to tries- even if the other stats of the game say that Argentina were dominating.
I think the biggest weakness of the All Blacks and the SuperXV NewZealand teams is defense. If you put them under extreme pressure the defense is not that great. 
I don't agree that the All Blacks are the world leaders in defense, in 2013 I would say this goes to the Boks.
The Boks traditional best attacking weapon of the rolling maul has not worked much this year in the 4Nations. Meyer said as much after the game against Australia this weekend. He said it is an area that is going to be worked on at practice. 
Most of the tries this year have been scored by the back line players which usually is not the case for South African teams. The outside backs have actually scored the most tries from what springs to mind.
Your point about the Lineouts is also good. The Boks have had problems here with the only really safe ball going to the first jumper at number1 in the lineout.This may also be related to the driving maul problems.The boks need number2 jumper in the middle of the lineout to move up and down to allow his support carriers to organise around him to getting the rolling maul going.
The All Blacks lineout is the best it has been in ages, and the boks the worst in ages. Matfield and Bekker are being missed big time.
A good kicking game(Fourie Dupreez) is a must for the Springboks, but the ball must also wide when the opportunity arises. 

the up and unders by FDP this weekend vs OZ were reminiscent of the 2009 Fourie Dupreez kicking game, when the the opposition catcher was forced to jump in the air for the ball everytime and often outnumbered by Bok chasers- who were also jumping to catch the ball.
When done right the up and under box kick is a 50/50 ball, but worth the risk when in the opponents 22. If the ball is lost it gains territory and the opposition is typically under massive pressure near their own tryline.When it is won back by the Boks it also creates massive pressure on the opposition. Either way it can often lead to a penalty, or even a try for the boks.
Morne's up and unders are usually average, but FDP can do them to perfection.
I would like to see the All Black backline tested with the Boks going wide at the right time. This is how the Boks have got to the stage of having the highest points average in the tournament so far.
If the rolling mauls can get sorted along with the kicking game that Fourie provides- it could make for a well balanced approach that could crush the All Blacks.
If Argentina or Australia were asked who was the toughest opponent in this years tournament, I wonder what they would say?


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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:29
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01 Oct 2013, 00:29#4
I agree with a lot of what your saying both teams are very even. It comes down to tactics  and game plan that wins. SA seem to lack the strategy to win against the All Blacks, they may win for 60- or even 70 min but the AB win in the end. Threw intellectual rugby skill and team intelligence. 
DU
dubo01Rookie17 posts
01 Oct 2013, 07:01
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01 Oct 2013, 07:01#5

Agree that this weekend in order for the Boks to have a chance of winning, it is a must that the boks have a great kicking game.  Fourie Dupreez will added value in the kicking department as this was missing against the ABs. Hence the reason why the Boks couldn't get their expansive game going. 

Don't think any team would wanna play an expansive game in their own territory unless of course your behind with time up on the clock or when defence line is broken.  ABs have been guilty in the past of trying to take the boks on in their own 22, I still remember 2009 as a bad year for us.  Now of course they'll only do so if its on.

 

I expect Morne and Dupree to be targeting Julians wing.  Seen him drop a few, against the pumas recently and the boks. Up to the boks of course to make something of it.  Expect the forward battle to be brutal, crash and bash, give and take from both teams.  Scrums and rolling mauls boks have that all over the ABs. 

 

No team is better at converting opportunities to points than the ABs, and they don't need many.  As for the Boks they need more than their fair share of possession and territory to score against the ABs.  Bottom line is they need a really good kicking game, to score and to keep the ABs out of the game.  Easier said than done though.

  

 

 

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