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Boks need to be aware of new underhand abs tactic!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 20:31
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30 Sept 2013, 20:31#1

While watching the Argies test I saw Savea going in knees first when running forward to contest the high ball. Lobbe took the brunt of it and was lucky not to get seriously injured. He got up after a while thankfully.

However I was shocked to hear the nz commentator saying the abs in training have been practising going up knees first!!!!!!


Man did he let the cat out of the bag. Disgraceful tactics by the wee abs!


The Argies definitely ran out of a bit of gas in the second half but the bounce of the ball also did not favour them. They should really have been 10 to 20 points ahead at half time. 

Completely dominant. Their scrum walked the abs about 20 meters! hahahahahhahahahaha - franks was subbed -reason being a tight thigh. Needed a chiropractor to unravel him is my guess.


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
30 Sept 2013, 20:52
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30 Sept 2013, 20:52#2
 I also heard the commentator say that. The All Blacks do that as they are not too strong under the high ball. It stops a fair competition in the air.






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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 21:03
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30 Sept 2013, 21:03#3
Great pict orial evidence Sharkbok. But fancy training to injure  players and they are dumb enough to admit it!!!!!! 
I think they train to deceive and play illegally. However what is changing now is everyone is cottoning on.Wonder what ou hakwa thinks of this! Warped dud will be in denial of course. 
Cloudy I am wearing a bullet proof vest this week.
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IhiClub Pro201 posts
30 Sept 2013, 22:33
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30 Sept 2013, 22:33#4
 solution? wait for their feet to touch the ground and line up a dynamite hit on the area where they are holding the ball. or have someone take the legs and topple them with the upper body falling forwards and a second chaser going for the ball. or hold themup and turn them around and let a second player rip the ball off them. it will work really well if you put up kicks in behind their midfield because you can use the out/in defence to keep the attackers stuck in the inside channels and it compresses their attack. it also puts pressure on the players fielding the kick because their are confined and swarmed. so yeah theres more than one way to skin a sly old kiwi.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
30 Sept 2013, 23:53
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30 Sept 2013, 23:53#5

 Sharkbok, if you are going to say the ABs are not good at taking the ball in the air, then perhaps you should have chosen photos where they actually dropped the ball....or couldn't you find any!

I think you'll find it's nigh impossible to leap in the air without bringing your knees up when running at pace. Ever watched a long jump competition?

Also, if you look at the replay it was Savea's hip that hit Lobbe in the ribs, not his knee or knees!

Selective reporting by Hasbeeno once again!

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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:01
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01 Oct 2013, 00:01#6
 Wow....we really are hitting new lows. Pathetic garbage. If we win is this the new excuse. You should stick to your lawn bowls. Mr  Bean 
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:08
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01 Oct 2013, 00:08#7
ABs need to wAtch out for the Boks new strategy for regaining possession from their  box kicks.  It's called "play the man" and "disregard the ball". The basic premise is to spot the opposition player most likely to catch the ball, run hard and fast at that player and  just as you are about to collide (this bit is crucial) LOOK UP, and appear to be looking for the ball, twist your body so your back and shoulders absorb the impact then look sullen and coy when the ref gives you a disapproving glare.  It makes no difference where the ball actually lands just as long as you give that last second glance back and up.  This is straight outta the Boks book of thugby.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:08
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01 Oct 2013, 00:08#8

Moola

 

I did not in particular watched that incident - but looking at the photos - I do not think that is kosher.   It is dangerous and can injure players.   Something like stiff arm tackles using the knees to injure players.   Rugby players in all the games I have watched did not bring their knees up to ward of competitors for balls in the air and that play is aimed to injure players - nothing else.   It definitely is not acceptable that players should be coached to do that.  It simply is another form of dangerous play.   I think the referees should rule it as dangerous play and get rid of it forthwith before a player is hospitalized as a result of plays like that.

 

Secondly a player is not allowed to tackle a ball recipient in the air - why should the knee be brought up against a competitor for the ball in the air?   What other purpose can i t have but to injure the competitor?      

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:21
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01 Oct 2013, 00:21#9
 oooh, that's very dangerous play indeed; especially from this so called number 1 team in the world, its not sportsmanship at all.   I wouldn't wish to be a supporter of that dirty team, nah.  Even Ireland team is way better.   
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:22
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01 Oct 2013, 00:22#10
I suggest y'all try and run full tit then jump as high as you can without tucking your legs into your chest.  If you don't fall flat on your face, you'll at least be unbalanced and land in a compromising position. To suggest that Issy purposely intends to maim opposing players is a conspiracy straight out of the flat earthers handbook.  
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The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:24
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01 Oct 2013, 00:24#11
 You have to lift your knees to get decent height. I found the comment by the commentator laughable. because everyone is coached to get their knees up.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:34
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:36
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01 Oct 2013, 00:36#13
 The correct way to Jump-without using Knees. (The Australian player has not raised his knees, the South African player has raised his knees but he does not point them directly at the opponent)
In exhibit A- both the Australian player and bok player are not using their knees overtly



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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:37
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01 Oct 2013, 00:37#14
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:41
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01 Oct 2013, 00:41#15
 Wow, look at Dagg's knee over Tommy Bowe's head, mama mia!  Then you tell me this is how its suppose to be done, the whole approach is flippin' dangerous!


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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:44
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01 Oct 2013, 00:44#16
SA player has his knee raised high enough to cause damage. He looks far to dangerous for this game. .....good grief,   SA supporters sound more like Australians every day.
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:46
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01 Oct 2013, 00:46#17
 @ Sharkbok,  thanks for sharing mate.  Now I know were THUGBY came from.  It has a Kiwi stamp on it, this is very interesting indeed!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:55
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01 Oct 2013, 00:55#18

A number of contributors have indicated that it is a natural reaction to do  is to raise your knee to ensure balance is the air.   If it is a natural reaction - why coach the players to do it - are they dumb by any chance. 

 

If it is coached to ward of a competitor by using your knee in the process - then it is dangerous and unacceptable.   That could lead to injuries.

 

Must admit that I have not seen such tactics in all the years I watched rugby - so it must be a new method that could be regarded as dangerous to competitors.   Be it as it may it can injure opposing competing players and should be dealt as such by referees before there is a critical  injury as a result of it.

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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:57
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01 Oct 2013, 00:57#19
 You're kidding right?  JdV hasn't even caught the ball, he's barely left the ground and he still has his right knee up. Besides, it's impossible to tell whether these players had run forward before jumping or if the were static.  Like I said before, you go outside, run as fast as you can and JUMP without raising your legs.



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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 00:58
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:05
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01 Oct 2013, 01:05#21
Toughen up guys
Another fake complaint, lol
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:06
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01 Oct 2013, 01:06#22
 @ NudeFreekiwi,  I think it kind dangerous facing someone with your knees pointed at them.  That style of jump basically blokes the opposing player from contesting the ball fairly.  If the jump was SA, I would still think its unfair to do stuff like that.  
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:08
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:09
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:13
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:17
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:18
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:19
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:37
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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:51
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01 Oct 2013, 01:51#30
 Oh dear.  The censor police have come to redact all of nukies  photos. Can't have the truth get in the way of a deluded conspiracy.   Ill take that as a moral victory.  
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Oct 2013, 01:53
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01 Oct 2013, 01:53#31
 solution? run past the ball and kick the catcher in the legs before he can jump and then do the biggest hollywood soccer dive we call the Hahahahahahabana!
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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
01 Oct 2013, 02:06
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01 Oct 2013, 02:06#32
 This is as desperate a complaint as can be expected from Bok fans who are so fixated on beating the AB's, next it'll be that the Silver Fern on the AB's jersey's are too shiny and the sunlight reflecting off them blinded the Boks players so they couldn't complete a tackle or catch a pass fairly or over ran the tryline. Thank god the actual Bok players are hardened you softies are bringing shame to them. Beeno especially.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Oct 2013, 10:21
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01 Oct 2013, 10:21#33
I am sure all decent rugby folk here are very pleased I highlighted this foul play Hansen and his coaches are coaching the wee abs to indulge in. Man how bad is that!!!
Kiwi bird brains just remember Beeno is watching you and will bring your dark deeds out into the light. I consider it a mission to assist nz up the moral ladder. A friend in need is a friend indeed. I am sure you will agree
Now guys and dolls lets have some fun and not get bitter. I do realise my factual reports cause difficulty but don't shoot the messenger. after all it was a kiwi commentator who actually raised the issue. He of course thought this was all very well and good. Of course when an ab gets taken out by a flying knee it will be all tears as usual. Remember Bissies totally legal tackle on poor Dan. Dan however took it like a man so all credit to him. His fans didn't. 
Anyhow have to say again to all kiwis here - you are a great bunch of folk but prepare for a big let down and a dose of reality. 
Cloudy you are a real honey and keep us all on our toes!
Man it's a beautiful day here in Cape town and I am glad to be alive. Now if only the abs would mend their nefarious ways we would have a much better world! hakwa you running out of ammo mate! 
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Oct 2013, 10:55
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01 Oct 2013, 10:55#34

Your kidding ... how ridiculous.

As long as the jumper doesn't deliberately knee his opponent in the face then it's fine in my opinion.

I know most kiwis would bitch like there's no tomorrow if a Bok knee hit McCaw or Carter ... but as long it's their team doing the hitting then all's good.


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All Black NZClub Pro105 posts
01 Oct 2013, 11:43
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01 Oct 2013, 11:43#35

Catching a high kick can be tricky, especially in wet and windy conditions.

But if you follow the proper technique, you will have a much better chance of claiming a safe catch, whatever the conditions.

Although backs are likely to catch a high ball more often than forwards, it is still an important skill every rugby player should learn.

Depending on the situation, you may choose to stay on the ground if you are unopposed.

CALLING THE MARK A player can call for the mark if they catch the ball cleanly inside their 22-metre line, while shouting "mark" The referee will give that player a free-kick on the spot where they caught the ball More info

But if you are surrounded by the opposition, you will probably catch the ball in the air to make sure you get to the ball first.

It is especially important to make the catch when you call the "mark" inside your own 22-metre line.

Have a look around to see what is going on before committing yourself to the catch.

STEP ONE


Call for the ball - let everyone around you know that this kick is your catch.

Get into line with the ball's path.

Keep your eyes on the ball at all times - which can be hard when there are opposition players bearing down on you.

STEP TWO


Start to extend your arms towards the direction of the ball.

Bend your elbows slightly.

Have you still got your eyes on the ball?

Position yourself side-on to the opposition, this will help protect you if you get tackled after taking the catch.

STEP THREE


If you are catching the ball in mid-air, remain side-on and raise one knee towards your waist to protect yourself.

STEP FOUR


Catch the ball at or above eye level before bringing the ball into your hands, then your body.

Note: you cannot be tackled while in the air.

STEP FIVE


Make sure you land on your feet, otherwise you could end up doing serious damage to yourself.

Once you land, get your body ready for contact - you've got the ball and the opposition want it back, although the referee should be on hand to protect you if you have called for the mark.



It's how it's been taught everywhere for ages.




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hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Oct 2013, 11:46
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Oct 2013, 12:23
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Raising the knee also aids one taking the ball securely as it can be used as a backstop to prevent it from slipping through ... especially when there are many competing for the same ball.

All part of a good technique.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
01 Oct 2013, 12:33
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01 Oct 2013, 12:33#38
it's not the knees in the air one should worry about - it' when you are lying defenseless on the ground390 × 285 - thescore.ie
 
nec minit

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Oct 2013, 12:34
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01 Oct 2013, 12:34#39

All Black NZ

 

Sorry - I don't buy the explanation "raise one knee to protect yourself".   Protect yourself against what bearing in mind you cannot be tackled whilst in the air?   That is utter crap  - rather it should be raised one knee to ensure that the opposing player cannot compete with you for the ball in the air.

 

That being the case - the raised knee can injure players and it is therefore to my mind a totally unnecessary and dangerous method - which is unacceptable and should be eliminated from rugby.  Other dangerous methods that could lead to injury has been eliminated by means of penalties or cards - why not this one as well?  

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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
01 Oct 2013, 12:37
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01 Oct 2013, 12:37#40
 Look at me, im gona smash these japies mom!


Nek minnit!!

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