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Boks’ No 9 conundrum

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2017, 12:41
#1
21 Nov 2017, 12:41#1
Personally I don't think there is a problem Cronje is a good scrummie and Faf the guy with flair. Play them as the conditions and circumstances dictate. It is ridiculaous that Faf has been dropped.

The lack of Test-quality depth at scrumhalf remains a major concern for the Springboks less than two years away from the next World Cup, writes CRAIG LEWIS.

In 2016, Faf de Klerk started nine Tests for the Boks, while in the other three encounters of the year, Rudy Paige wore the No 9 jersey.

However, this year De Klerk dramatically fell out of favour before taking up a contract with the Sale Sharks, and the Boks instead opted to install Ross Cronjé as their first-choice halfback.

Cronjé has been the right man for the job at this time, with his general reliability making him a safe bet, but the fact remains that he is yet to truly take control of a Test as a match-winning halfback.

Undoubtedly Cronjé has his limitations, but a greater concern should be the fact that the Boks still have such limited options in this key position.

On three occasions when Cronjé was unavailable this year, the Boks opted to start Francois Hougaard, and yet he was eventually dropped, with Allister Coetzee suggesting that he had battled to meet the technical requirements for a Test-quality scrumhalf.

Meanwhile, Paige continues to receive limited opportunities off the bench, while journeyman Louis Schreuder is currently providing cover as the third scrumhalf in the squad.

This has been the sort of sad, ongoing saga in South African rugby as the search continues to effectively find a suitable long-term successor for Fourie du Preez, who seamlessly assumed the No 9 baton from the late, great Joost van der Westhuizen.

During the 2015 World Cup year, Du Preez and Ruan Pienaar wound back the clock to do duty at No 9, but these two stalwarts have now called time on their international careers.

Meanwhile, at the end of 2014, it appeared that Cobus Reinach could be the man to step up to the mantle after starting three Tests on the end-of-year tour, but he is now plying his trade in England after SA Rugby allegedly dragged its heels in preventing his move to the Northampton Saints.

Ultimately, the fact that South African rugby remains devoid of world-class scrumhalf options is an issue that should not be swept under the carpet. All the great teams in world rugby over years gone by have generally had one thing in common, and that is a high-quality halfback general capable of running the show.

Think of George Gregan, Justin Marshall, Will Genia and Aaron Smith to name just a few of the modern era, while the Boks have been blessed by the presence of Van der Westhuizen and Du Preez.

However, the pickings have been slim over the past few years. To illustrate this point, since the conclusion of the 2011 World Cup (which is when Du Preez intimated it was time for a newcomer to step up in the No 9 role), there has been a relative revolving door at scrumhalf.

Over the past five years, Pienaar primarily started as the Boks’ first-choice scrumhalf despite being based abroad, but Du Preez also started in 12 Tests, while there have been opportunities for Francois Hougaard (11 starts at scrumhalf), De Klerk (nine), Reinach (three) and Jano Vermaak (one). Cronjé has now started eight Tests this year.

Fast forward to the present, and the Boks’ options are still extremely limited. Cronjé and Paige will be 30 years old at the next World Cup, but who is there beyond that?

Former Junior Springbok Marco Jansen van Vuren is certainly one exciting youngster who is highly regarded, while the Bulls’ Ivan van Zyl and Embrose Papier are two other talented players to look out for.

Yet the 2019 World Cup is now approaching at a rapid rate, while the question marks that remain over the Boks’ halfback depth continue to point to a prevailing problem in terms of SA rugby's succession planning.

And at a time when Du Preez has retired from all forms of rugby, every effort should be made to ensure this legendary Bok scrumhalf is contributing to the coaching, development or at least identification of the next best successor.

In the here and now, though, it remains a considerable concern that there is no clear-cut answer to the Boks’ No 9 depth dilemma.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 12:52
#2
21 Nov 2017, 12:52#2
 Jano Vermaak.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2017, 12:57
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21 Nov 2017, 12:57#3
 Draadie, Vermaak is good but ageing. He has always been underrated.How much of a mampara must you be to mess up making an outstanding athlete like Reinach a test reject! I wonder what the kiwis would have made of material like Reinach and Hougaard. They are far better athletes than Aaron Smith etc.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2017, 13:16
#4
21 Nov 2017, 13:16#4
 I have been mentioning Ivan van Zyl and Embrose Papier for a while now and think they are the future scrummies,   Both are getting excellent coaching and they will definitely go far.   
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2017, 14:49
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21 Nov 2017, 14:49#5
Reinach and Hougaard are bumblers.....once a bumbler always a bumbler. Schreuder is an even more bumbly bumbler.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Nov 2017, 15:24
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21 Nov 2017, 15:24#6
 Mozart
Tell us - how many matches in Super rugby in which Schreuder played this year have you watched???????
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 16:03
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21 Nov 2017, 16:03#7
 Maaik, I've seen enough of him at WP to know he's no test 9. Too nervous a player.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
22 Nov 2017, 12:01
#8
22 Nov 2017, 12:01#8
 Faf should be there. The only reason he dropped down the Lion's pecking order was so that they could get used to life without him. 
Somehow everyone thinks that Cronje was preferred but I doubt that. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Nov 2017, 13:01
#9
22 Nov 2017, 13:01#9
 I am not defending Schreuder - who never really showed much in the Stormers game.   However, he was very good when he played for the Kings in Super Rugby in 2017 and in matches played for the Kings and even for the Sharks was MOM on a number of occasions.
However, he was a hell of a lot better in games than Paige and I doubt whether he would be above Ivan van Zyl and Papier when Mitchell picks his teams for next year.   
By the way IO think that like may backline players Schreuder suffered under the guidan ce or lack thereof by Coetzee and he rarely started for the Stormers - Groom was preferred ahead of him.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 Nov 2017, 14:03
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22 Nov 2017, 14:03#10
Groom was preferred for good reason....he didn’t bumble.
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sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
22 Nov 2017, 15:55
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22 Nov 2017, 15:55#11
Our scrumhalf depth is the worst it has been. 
No complete package that can :1. Pass2. Kick3. Sidestep and run
Many of the best scrumhalf are like small wings that have limited passing and kicking games - certainly not good enough for test rugby.
Hougaard gets worse at scrumhalf by the day, and can be forgotten about.
Reinach is a better version of Hougaard at scrumhalf but offers less with ball in hand. 

Faff would be a good impact scrummie of the bench. He plays a fast high tempo. Although his long pass is not the best. 
Shredder is the opposite to Cronjie. Schreuder has the physical ability but lacks the mental concentration for test rugby.
Cronjie lacks natural abilities like being fast, or having a great long pass- but is good in his understanding of the game .
So at present, we do not really have a test standard scrumhalf- other than Cronjie who is marginal. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2017, 09:30
#12
23 Nov 2017, 09:30#12
 Bumble-bee story here - that is really funny
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2017, 09:34
#13
23 Nov 2017, 09:34#13
 SB
I agree with you about the scrummies - virtually all are really hopeless.   That is why I referred to Ivan van Zyl and Papier as potential future scrummies.   Both at still very young and although they looked good in CC games - we will have to see how they develop in future.  
That is why I am not favouring a single scrummmie at present - I want to see what the 2 018 Super Rugby series produces.     
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Nov 2017, 10:49
#14
23 Nov 2017, 10:49#14
 Mike, do please give me a go on your time machine. I'd love to travel to 1018...I hear hookers(Not rugby players...the woman who do dirty things for cash) were much cheaper back then
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2017, 13:23
#15
23 Nov 2017, 13:23#15
 Thanks I corrected the date - sorry about the typo.
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