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Boks Pack have edge in Euopean Tour?

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Nov 2013, 12:14
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03 Nov 2013, 12:14#1

Scrum expert Balie Swart believes the new scrum laws will give the big Bok pack an edge on their European tour.


By Michael de Vries


The scrum is a key area in which to establish dominance on the heavy fields up north, and is an area on which European teams place a heavy emphasis, but Swart is confident that the Boks will be able to hold their own.

Heyneke Meyer's team have had the benefit of playing under the new scrum laws in the Rugby Championship and the Currie Cup, which may give them an advantage over Wales, Scotland and France as their hosts look to adjust quickly.

Swart believes that the size and power of the Springbok pack will translate into dominance at scrum-time, thanks to the influence of the new laws.

He told this website in an interview: "It is important to understand that the team with the stronger scrum is going to dominate with the new laws.

"The power of the pack lies in proper binding, carrying your own bodyweight and making sure that you have got pressure in your legs and you dont get yourself extended before the ball comes in because then you will get pushed around," he said.

The Bok scrum has been impressive this year, and with few changes expected to be made to the starting pack on this tour they will be keen to continue that form.

One change that has been forced on Meyer is at tighthead prop after stalwart Jannie du Plessis was ruled out through injury.

It seems that Coenie Oosthuizen will get a chance to show that he is up to Test tighthead standard, but Swart has not been convinced by his transition thus far and would prefer to see him on the loosehead side.

"In my opinion Coenie is a fantastic player and everything, but in my opinion he is a very good loosehead. Any player would like to play for the Springboks and even if you tell Coenie, 'mate go play lock' he will do it.

"You cannot make a mistake five minutes from the end when you have got to get your ball, you can't mess around with guys who are not really in their position," he said.

Swart explained that as long as they adapt to the interpretations of the referees there is no reason for the Boks to battle when they pack down.

"I am not sure how the European referees are going to ref it. We have got to understand what the law requires and we need to play within those laws.

"If we do that and you look at the manpower we have got, you will dominate other teams.

"We have got a huge pack of forwards, that is massive to be honest, and all we need to do is keep things straight in the front so we can get the pressure through from the back five.

"Once we get that we will dominate any pack, but if we don't get that stability in the front and keep straight at the front at the right height and in the right direction that all 16 feet can work together we won't dominate," he added.

Although much is made of the heavier fields in Europe, Swart does not expect the playing surfaces in Cardiff, Edinburgh and Paris to pose much of a problem.

"These fields these days play a huge role. They are probably going to close the roof at the Millenium Stadium, so it will be a good surface to scrum on, in Paris they have got good pitches and in Scotland as well.

"Scrumming is still the area where there is proper combat, and you cannot run away. Scrumming is about 16 feet moving together in the same direction and people staying straight in the front and not sabotaging their own pushing power by going in on angles.

"I firmly believe that we will do well, if we stay within law and we have a referee that blows to the law and makes sure that people don't go and do their own wishlist when they play against us, and be strict enough to blow what the law requires, we will do well," he said.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Nov 2013, 13:30
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03 Nov 2013, 13:30#2

Just_win

 

Not so sure about the interpretation in the case of the Welsh side.   They made up the bulk of the Lions forwards that demolished the Aussies in the Lion's tour case.

 

I also think that Oosthuizen is a problem at tight and - even in the CC set up he was poor at tight head and that is a problem Meyer has to deal with.   To my mind Oosthuizen is a very good loose head and not a tight head of any distinction.

 

I think that Meyer might go for the established tighthead - in this case Malherbe - but the latter has had very little game time since his May 2013 injury.    There are two issues facing Meyer here, namely in view of Du Pessis' frailness, his poor performances outside of the scrumming situation and his unlikely retention for WC 2015, Meyer -

 

*   has to find a new tighthead; and

*   has a difficult choice to make between Oosthuizen - with an indication that he has not really adjusted to the tight head position as yet - and Malherbe - who had little recent game time.

 

However, irrespective of whom he starts  with - the other player mentioned will be on the bench against the Welsh and none of the two  will play for on longer than 40  minutes.   In the longer term - it would be interesting to see how things develop in future.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Nov 2013, 14:01
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03 Nov 2013, 14:01#3
Overall the Bok pack has bulk/muscle but is weaker in speed & foraging for ball (Bismarck is the exception ). Getting oosth.,. On the field addresses this problem but I agree he is not a good tight head prop. Meyer may be seeing it as a way to develop depth in the position & taking advantage of his strengths. A development idea at best. 
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
03 Nov 2013, 15:32
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03 Nov 2013, 15:32#4
 Mike, Coenie played the majority of the matches in the CC at lo osehead because Naka was experimenting Nyankane at tighthead.
I watched the second half of the Ellis park test and I have to admit Coenie scrummed well, I'm against him being a tighthead but he hasn't been dominated in the scrum there yet so maybe there's a glimmer of hope that he can withstand the transition.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
03 Nov 2013, 16:30
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03 Nov 2013, 16:30#5
We need Coenie on the pitch as he is effective at the breakdown as well as with Ball in hand. Meyer cant be very confident in his tighthead scrumming ability considering Coenie only gets onto the pitch with 10 minutes to go, or as a blood replacement.
All that Jannie Duplessis does apart from scrum is miss critical tackles that lead to tries.
Apart from scrumming Coenie may be the best prop in the world given how good he is with ball in hand and at the breakdown.
If Coenie was to start at tighthead it would be a massive improvement, outside of scrumaging. 
When ever Coenie has been on the pitch as a substitute, he is scrumming with Steenkamp. The scrums have gone ok, but it is clearly not as effective as Jannie and Beast.
It would be good to see how Coenie and Beast scrum together.
Beast is another who now days makes less contribution outside of the scrum than he used to. The screams of Beast are all but a thing of the past.

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