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Boks searching for a new captain- Jean out for 8 weeks

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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
25 May 2014, 21:59
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25 May 2014, 21:59#1
Boks searching for a new captainby Gavin Rich 25 May 2014, 17:17

The Springboks will go into the June international season with a new captain after it was confirmed on Sunday that regular leader Jean de Villiers has been ruled out of rugby for eight weeks.

After experiencing some discomfort in his left knee on Saturday morning, De Villiers was ruled out of the DHL Stormers’ Vodacom Super Rugby derby match against the Toyota Cheetahs at Newlands.

He was officially pulled out of the national training camp to take place in Durban for the first three days of this week late on Saturday, but his availability for the test season pended a medical assessment.

De Villiers underwent a scope in Cape Town on Sunday morning that confirmed what Bok coach Heyneke Meyer would have been fearing, with the prognosis according to a Saru press statement released on Sunday afternoon being that he will be out “for approximately eight weeks”, which effectively means he will be out for the next two months.

That means that apart from the June international matches featuring the Boks against a World XV, Wales twice and Scotland, De Villiers will also probably miss the two Super Rugby matches the Stormers are set to play against the Bulls and the Sharks at the conclusion of their campaign in July.

However, coach Heyneke Meyer is hoping that De Villiers will be back for the start of the Castle Lager Rugby Championship in August.

“Losing our captain is a massive setback,” said Meyer.

“Jean has been superb as our leader on and off the field and was in excellent form as well. He is a wonderful ambassador for South Africa and is respected across the world as a leader. We will certainly miss him next month.

“His injury is the latest in a string of setbacks we’ve experienced, and with Jaque Fourie also ruled out it means we will have to look for both a new midfield combination and a new captain.”

There are probably two main candidates to take over the captaincy in De Villiers’s absence. Bismarck du Plessis has grown in confidence as a leader at the helm of the Cell C Sharks, who top the Super Rugby log with three matches to play.

And Victor Matfield, who is considered almost certain to wear his old Bok No 5 jersey in the early season test matches, has led the national side before and has usually done so successfully.

What Meyer will have to weigh up though whether he should thrust such a responsibility on Matfield’s shoulders at a time when he should be looking at re-establishing himself at international level after and absence of more than two and a half years.

With De Villiers sure to return as the captain when he is fit – Meyer has appointed him for the season – perhaps Meyer will appoint a leader on a match by match basis.

For instance, he may not want to play Matfield in every test match during June, and ditto Du Plessis, who has played every game the Sharks have played in Super Rugby apart from the one against the Highlanders when he was out injured.

Adriaan Strauss is also a capable leader rated highly by Meyer and he could slot into the captaincy when either one or both of Matfield or Du Plessis are absent.

The national players arrived in Durban on a warm Sunday – it was 32 degrees Celsius in the early afternoon – and Meyer will be hoping that there are no more injury surprises waiting for him from the group that assembles.

For instance, Schalk Burger didn’t come out for the second half of the Stormers’ 33-0 rout of the Cheetahs at the weekend because of a neck spasm and although he says he expects to be ready to face the Sharks here on Saturday it is unlikely he will be able to make much onfield contribution in the early part of the week.

Frans Steyn is the obvious replacement for De Villiers at inside centre but outside centre is less clear cut.

JJ Engelbrecht was the incumbent before Fourie was called back into international rugby from Japan last year, while Juan de Jongh is in good form for the Stormers, as is S’bura Sithole for the Sharks.

All three of those players are part of the group called up for the camp, as is the influential Stormers inside centre Damian de Allende.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
25 May 2014, 22:06
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25 May 2014, 22:06#2
with Jaque Fourie also ruled out it means we will have to look for both a new midfield combination and a new captain.” It is clear that Jaque Fourie is the incumbent, and it was not just an experiment on the EOYT. 
What about a starting combination of Jan Serfontein at 12 and Delande at 13. Or maybe Frans Steyn at 12 and Delande at 13. 
JJ has been a non factor this year in the SuperXV, where as last year he was pretty good in the SuperXV. So JJ must make way. 
As for Captain, surely Fourie Dupreez must be an option. Matfield will also be considered. 
FO
ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
26 May 2014, 00:47
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26 May 2014, 00:47#3
 The captain is Bismarck...We need a future,not an ending.And both du Preez and Matfield are unqualified for this role due to age.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 May 2014, 01:05
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26 May 2014, 01:05#4
The obvious captaincy choice is Schalk Burger the man who would have had the job but for injury. If he is fit he is captain end of story.
Frans must not be centre he is not mobile enough.
Centre pair is Allende and gasman Jordaan or Jan and Allende. Allende is the must have centre.

Leave matfield out completely - a waste of time and no tight forward at all.
De Jongh is not test class and nothing he has acheved convinces me otherwise. He also goes awol in games far too much of the time. Sithole is too raw but has promise.
Why the heck is Faf de Klek not getting a shot - the best scrummie on view this season in the Super 15. Look also at the brilliant speed of Reinach. 
Why no flair loosie like Whitely. Why pick the useless Kolisi - quota selction probably. Watch the guy he is a loafer. Some serious selection problems which I trust Meyer will correct. 
Also Coenie is not a tighthead. He will get slaughtered by NH props unless something changes


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 May 2014, 05:52
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26 May 2014, 05:52#5
 The captaincy will be for June only - in other words a short term issue.  I  not think Meyer would not chose Bismarck.  The other two mentioned by Sharkbok may not make the grade.   Du Preez will have to up his game to stay in contention - he was pretty average in the RC games last year where he started.   
Is Matfield and Du Preez long term prospects - I do not think so.  Neither is Burger - he is injured far too frequently for that.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 May 2014, 07:45
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26 May 2014, 07:45#6
 Talk about mobile....Speight ran right round Steppie. This Jan is so much like Wynand Olivier it's uncanny.
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
26 May 2014, 14:12
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26 May 2014, 14:12#7
 JDV injury comes at a great time in my opinion..Rest up for the RC later on and he will enjoy the extended rest come 2015! It also gives us a chance to see who his likely replacement will be. Currently, he is our best 12 but we are going to need a replacement soon and it is not Serfontein as we all thought. Team I would like to see against Wales:
1. T. Mtwararira2. B. Du Plessis3. F. Malherbe4. L. De Jager5. S. Lewies6. S. Burger7. J. Du Plessis8. D. Vermuelen9. F. Hougaard10. F. Steyn11. JJ. Engelbrecht12. D. De Allende13. S. Sithole14. JP. Pietersen15. L. Mvovo
16. A. Strauss17. M. Van Der Merwe18. C. Oosthuizen19. V. Matfield20. H. Brussouw21. F. Du Preez22. J. Goosen23. W. Le Roux
So much talk about JJ. He needs a shot on the wing. He has no attacking clout at centre and we need to see him at wing a couple times just to make sure that he is what we think he is...I have no doubt that even at win, he wont suddenly be this great player but at least thats the closure we need because he has not done the job at 13 for club or country!
Personally, I would like to see De Allende and Jordaan building a partnership but Jordaan is strangely not selected. Two of our best attackers and defenders in a raw mixture of power and pace...These two could split Nonu and Smith in half...Way too much pace there and power to boot in De Allende!
Etzebeth and Lewies would ideally form a combination whilst PSDT is away but we need to see if Lood is the real deal. We have seen what Etzebeth can do. He needs to just be ready for the RC. Matfield makes the bench as we need to see if he still has the goods on international level and if he shows any signs of mere average as I reckon he will, we need to get over him and quick as we have an embarrassment of riches at lock. If he is as great as Moz reckons he will be, he could slot in at 5 in our best team!
I see no reason we can not have Etzebeth, Lewies and PSDT in the same team..PSDT could be our next Juan Smith and what a lineout that would be. Everyone can jump besides the front row ;-)
We are probably better served with Alberts at 7 though as we can not get carried away..We are still the Springboks and we still need to soften our opposition up and Alberts has been our best in the last few years.
When Lambie is fit, I would like to see him taking it to the line at 10 and letting rip to De Allende and Jordaan. 
Mvovo at 15 as we know what Willie can do. Mvovo needs to prove he is Bok material again as he didnt look the part in his last stint with the Boks. We must remember that Habana is still to return and will probably walk the 11 jersey. At 9, all eyes are on Hougaard as his reputation and place in the team hang by a thread as he has not been half as special as guys like Reinach and Faf. I also think we are missing a huge trick by not selecting Kockott especially as he has the experience of playing in the NH for so long and is probably our most rounded scrum half at the mo with Du Preez ageing! I have always thought Kockott deserved a shot.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
26 May 2014, 14:49
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26 May 2014, 14:49#8
Jean should not have made the Bok starting 15 on merit anyway.......both Serfontein and de Allende are better.

Sadly ignorant Meyer will probably now select Matfield as our captain, which is 100 times worse than having Jean in the side
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
26 May 2014, 15:37
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26 May 2014, 15:37#9
 Thats pretty unfair to say and extremely harsh on Jean who was a revelation in 2013. Definitely one of our best backs.
I am not sure Serfontein will ever be in the same league that JDV will be remembered in. Perhaps De Allende will be the real deal but Serfontein is not showing much these days. I know he had one of his better games on the weekend but they are all to few and far between. The future of the Boks could be a partner ship between one of De Allende and Jordaan or perhaps Sithole but Jordaan definitely deserves a crack before Sithole!
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 May 2014, 18:09
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26 May 2014, 18:09#10
Our best back in 2013 was Jean.....our worst back was JJ.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 May 2014, 18:37
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26 May 2014, 18:37#11
 
I can't really find fault with the Ozzie squad ... nor with the Kiwis. 

No favoritism, no provincialism ... purely selected on merit ... for the benefit of their country. No bullshit!! 

Not so with Meyer and his Bok squad. I have issues with several of his picks. As usual he leaves the class acts out and selects his favourite chumps.

HouGat, JJ, Fats Fransie, Kolisi, Du Preez ... to mention a few.

How is it possible, that one supposedly so knowledgeable, can be such a poor selector? I don't get it?

It's not that difficult to seperate the wheat from the chuff... is it??

This man's gonna drive me insane!!

He will now be forced to select a new 12. Any bets he picks Fats Fransie ... with JJ on his outside.

Heaven help us.






CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 May 2014, 18:38
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26 May 2014, 18:38#12
 I agree about De Villiers in 2013 - but was he in 2014?  I doubt it very, very much.  JJ was not even seen in attack this year and was harmless in that aspect of the game in 2013 as well.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 May 2014, 18:50
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26 May 2014, 18:50#13
 
De Villiers has been the best SA back for the last 2 years ... no question about it.

It's a huge loss.

Meyer hasn't used his time at the helm to blood anyone at 12.

Now his hand's been forced.

I have a feeling all his inadequacies as an International coach will be brought to the fore shortly. 

Just like one finds a few players struggling to make the step up to international rugby ... so too will Meyer find it tough to step up as an international coach.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 May 2014, 19:03
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26 May 2014, 19:03#14
Probably a good thing if Steppie plays a few tests so we can get that mistake behind us.  
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
26 May 2014, 19:21
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26 May 2014, 19:21#15
 I totally agree with Saffex's comment.
Bizzy without doubt is the logic guy to lead the Boks.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 May 2014, 22:41
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26 May 2014, 22:41#16
 A friend told me Matfield has been selected as Bok captain. Cant see it on any website?Away with the show pony!!!!! 

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