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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Sept 2013, 01:41
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10 Sept 2013, 01:41#1

Boks still the biggest challenge

Sportal.co.nz    10.Sep.2013Getty Images

The All Blacks are about to encounter their biggest challenge of the year.

 

Not since Richie McCaw's weary touring party fell to England last December have the world champions looked out of their comfort zone.

Les Bleus used their trip Down Under to 'learn' and build experience, while the Wallabies failed to get out of second gear on both sides of the Tasman.

Take away Francis Saili's faux pa in Hamilton and you'll find Argentina produced just six points.

Six convincing wins, by an average of 17 points, with six new players introduced to Test rugby in the process.

It's been pleasing to watch but the players know there is a need for quality matches to build character and leadership.

Conrad Smith is certain the Springboks are the side to do just that.

Heyneke Meyer's men arrived in Auckland boasting an historic win over the Wallabies in Brisbane which extended their record to nine straight Test wins.

If this turns out to be anything like the last encounter in Johannesburg, then Steve Hansen can expect to have a few more battle-hardened troops ready to be deployed in any situation.

In a man-of-the-match performance, Kieran Read was inspirational as the All Blacks overcame a 12-16 half-time deficit by scoring 20 unanswered points.

It reaffirmed the No 8's ability to stand up in big moments and in November he was awarded the captaincy for the first time against Italy.

"These games can be [crucial] particularly when one team takes a lot away from it. You can build real momentum towards a World Cup that's a few years away," Smith said.

"We're certainly viewing it as the biggest challenge since the World Cup so we're prepared for a big game and I know they will be as well."

Despite the loss of McCaw, Hansen will on Thursday name a near full strength side with second-five Ma'a Nonu bypassing last week's win against Argentina to recover from an ankle injury.

His midfield combination with Smith will be key to containing the threat of Springbok captain Jean de Villiers and impressive newcomer JJ Englebrecht in the No 13 jumper.

Smith has vague memories of his last encounter with the 24-year-old, whose hard running style rendered him unconscious during a Super Rugby match at Loftus Versfeld in May.

"We always respect whoever we're playing but it didn't take much to look at that Springbok performance last week, and in the weeks previous, to know they're playing some pretty good footy," said Smith.

"And if we're not on the mark then we're going to come second.

"That strikes a bit of fear and hopefully it brings out the best in us."

Heyneke Meyer was quick to slam critics of South Africa's kick-chase style after they ended 42 years of hurt in Brisbane and registered the biggest winning margin against Australia at home.

His backs proved that scoring tries is still well within their capabilities and that any mistakes by the opposition will be punished.

"When they're really playing expansively and chancing their arm a bit that we know we're in for a real battle," added Smith.

"You know you're always going to get physicality with the Springboks but when they're really well with the ball in hand they pose a real threat."

Without McCaw, the All Blacks will again call upon Chiefs flanker Sam Cane to fill the void.

"I suppose we can take some comfort from the fact that we've dealt with it before," Smith said.

"Earlier this year we had some games without him and we learned to live without him and in the past he's missed the odd game with injury.

"It's a big blow but I think it's one we're well prepared to deal with."

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Sept 2013, 02:00
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10 Sept 2013, 02:00#2

All Blacks have got one of the toughest schedules fitting of their title as the undisputed best rugby team.
french x 4
wallabies x 3
Boks x 2
eng x 1

weve won 5 of the 9 matches already and its time for the Bok to try and muscle in on the All Blacks party, exciting times.

it was important that nonu got that rest with his ankle woes, cos were going to need him to negate JDV who has been the Boks best back in 2013.
saili had a good debut despite that knock on which gifted the pumas an easy try, but i still remember how easily JDV swatted past him in the stormers vs blues match.
so im very very happy to have nonu back.

McCaws a loss, but its the same scenario with carter, we more then have enough talent in the mix to back him up, todds been called into the squad and cane hasnt let us down in the black jersey yet and that wont change this weekend.

interesting to see that messam is fit this weekend, personally its a win win if no matter how shag decides to roll, we can start with luatua whose been the form looseforward in 2013, or messam whose been the clear incumbent for the All Blacks openside.
very similar situation between luatua and messam as strauss and bizzy.

the thing is, messam has played openside before, so i dont why dont just start of with,,,
6 s luatua, 7 l messam, 8 k read
that will also give us some extra beef against the Bok beefcake forwards, without losing the mobility advanatage.

carter needs to be on song with his boot, cos morne will be on song with his.
if the Boks captialise on some early penalties, it could have a detrimental effect just like it did against england when they slotted 4 penalties and a drop goal to go 15 nil up at halftime.
carter missed 3 from 7 last week, thats 2 too many IMO.

should be a great game and im quietly confident, Boks have got the momentum, but the only thing stronger then the All Blacks are the All Blacks at eden park.

GO ALL BLACKS!!!

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
10 Sept 2013, 03:00
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10 Sept 2013, 03:00#3

Really looking forward to the game, as it could be the game of the year. 

 

South Africa probably just need to win one game against NewZealand to win the tournament. 

 

If the Boks win this weekend it is allmost a certain clincher to the 4 nations, but do also need to prevent ABS scoring a bonus point for 4 tries.

 

if the All Blacks win, the decider will allmost certainly be the return match in South Africa. (Chances of Boks losing to Australia in SA, and Argentina beating the All Blacks is minimal).

 

 If NewZealand win this weekend but do not get a bonus point for 4 tries, and South Africa win the return game in South Africa- the boks will probably win the tournament.

 

From what I hear the weather might not be great this weekend, so chances are less for either team to get a bonus point.

 

-The boks will allmost certainly beat Australia in SA, with a good chance of getting a bonus point for 4 tries.

-NewZealand will allmost certainly beat Argentina in Argentina, with a good chance of getting a bonus point for 4 tries.

 

If the boks do not get a bonus point win against Australia in SA, (4 points)

and NewZealand do get the bonus point win against Argentina (5 points), as well as win against the Boks this weekend in NewZealand (without a bonus point),

the Boks are still likely to win the tournament with a single win against NewZealand in SA. 

 

South Africa has a massive points difference and unless the Pumas get destroyed in Argentina, this will probably be too high going into the final game.

If the All Blacks do not win both games, chances are most likely that SA wins.

Other permuations do exist like the AllBlacks getting a bonus point for 4 tries in SA but still losing one match, not much chance of that though.

 

All Blacks will probably not only be looking for a win, but a bonus point win to get 5 points.

This will make it easier to win the tournament without having to rely on beating the Boks twice.  

The All Blacks will want both wins, but safer to get the 5 point win at home first of all, and then try get a 5 point win in Argentina.

This would be enough to win the tournament if SA does not get a 5 point win against Australia.

 

At this stage I would say the boks are the marginal favourites to win the tournament, but the All Blacks could just as easy win both games against the Boks. 

The 4nations is at least more entertaining this year with 2 teams in the running.

Would be good for Argentina to continue improving and Australia to get a team like they did from around 1998-2003.

 

Four Nations Rugby Championship Standings   Team/ Nation Flag P W L D PF PA PD Bp Ttl 1. South Africa () 3 3 0 0 133 42 91 2 14                         2. New Zealand () 3 3 0 0 102 58 44 1 13                         3. Argentina () 3 0 3 0 43 123 -80 1 1                         4 Australia () 3 0 3 0 57 112 -55 0 0

 

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
10 Sept 2013, 03:29
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10 Sept 2013, 03:29#4

All Blacks are the only team to never lose a RC/4nats game ever.

All Blacks are the only team to never concede an RC/4nats championship point ever.

cant blame the saffas for not thinking too far ahead, keeping their excitment in check is not easy, especially when theres been bugger all to be excited with, LMAO, :oD

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Sept 2013, 04:15
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10 Sept 2013, 04:15#5
I do not think that history is a good guide to winning of tests - but last year the Springboks * drew the Mendoza test; * lost the Australia away test; and * was very competitive in the Dunedin test - losing nmainly because Morne Steyn lost the plot completely at kicking at goal This year the Springboks - * won the Mendoza test - making heavy weather of it though, and * beat the Aussies comprehensively Bearing the above in mind I think that it would be a major battle and I cannot see any team winning with a bonus point. Chances are that the losing team will collect a bonus point. There are some fundamental weaknesses in both teams and it would be interesting to see how the match pans out. The All Blacks props are not strong enough and they do not have a reasonable hooker. On the other hand the Springboks have line out problems. The AB loosies are very good - and they have a top halfback combination. There centers are really problematic - Conrad Smith in particular was poor in the last two tests. Dagg is not a shadow of the player he was last year - his defence is a joke. The Springboks will not be able to compete against the AB loosies and Pienaar and Morne Steyn is not really an international half back combination. Who is going to win in wet conditions - if the game is slowed down - the chances are the Springboks will win - but I still favour a win by the AB's
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
10 Sept 2013, 14:19
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10 Sept 2013, 14:19#6
Yep you summed it up nicely. Mike, this is going to be a battle for both teams. SA beat the AB at Eden Park. It will be the game of the ages for SA, probably have to be classed as one of there best victory's in history. If that is the case I will be very disappointed, but you would have to appreciate the achievement of the BOK. Thing with the AB losing is not something they handle well, the deal with by winning with a vengeance. Both teams have there positives and there negatives. Experience and discipline will play a large roll in these encounters. The Boks will approach the AB game by adapting similar tactics the AB use. playing the AB at there own game.
WF
wfunstonRookie89 posts
10 Sept 2013, 18:32
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10 Sept 2013, 18:32#7

 

  • Front row ~ The loss of Franks is a big blow. He really is a key player for the AB's. In my opinion the entire front row (bar Owen) is either over the hill or not enough experience. the biggest worry being at hooker. Some of the younger players in this area need to start putting their hands up for starting places regardless of injuries or lack thereof. On the bok side of things you have beast in the best form i've seen for a long time, JdP and COo stepping up to play and need I say anything about the best two #2's in the game. I have a feeling that without Franks, the AB scrum will be destroyed on saturday. Adv Springboks

 

  • Second row ~ Whitelock is in the form of his life and very commanding come lineout time. Yes EE is a class lock but Sam and Retallick have titanic workrates that will be unmatched by the bok second row. Adv AB

 

  • Back row ~ I really don't get Meyer's obsession with Huge, fat loose forwards.. Crashballing (necessary sometimes) is the most inefficient way to gain territory. Read and especially Luatua are masters at creating/hitting gaps. Duane has been playing really well and I've always rated him but there is no balance there. First to the breakdown rules! Adv AB

 

  • Half-pair ~ Adv AB

 

  • Mid-field ~ Nonu is the difference here. Had he still been injured I would have given the advantage to the boks. JDV is in great form but if we compare the two.. ball in hand ~ Nonu, Defence ~ even, passing ~Nonu and kicking ~ Nonu (been impressed with this area of his game). Adv AB 

 

  • Outsides ~ I do not agree that Dagg is in bad form. best in the business under the high ball. No he is not scoring try's at the moment but that's ok because Ben Smith has been. Who are the boks settled back 3?? The only one is Habana. Adv AB

 

Goal kicking ~ Adv Springboks

Venue ~ Adv AB 

Ref ~ Adv AB :P Thought you might need something to complain about when the All Blacks win by 15+

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Sept 2013, 19:35
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10 Sept 2013, 19:35#8
wfunston Although I substantially agree with your summary - I differ insofar as the center combination is concerned. In the first Aussie test - they were brilliant - in the next test they wer less so - with Nonu's defence being a serious deficiency. I do not rate Nonu at all - he very rarely makes any plays of real significance - and he can be exposed on Saturday. I think the center comuniation is 50-50 and the wings the same - although I rate Smith is the best backline player in the RC. If the field is heavy and ball handling difficult as expected - the satiation will largely be equalised. I do not know what the outcome will be - but think the AB's will win by 6 or 7 points.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
11 Sept 2013, 05:29
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11 Sept 2013, 05:29#9

@wfunston,

I also agree with your summary but are you sure that Franks won't be available for the match?

The article http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/rugby/9140757/All-Blacks-ready-for-lack-of-McCaw, states the following:

"The All Blacks will welcome back Ma'a Nonu, Liam Messam and Owen Franks from the injured list, with Aaron Cruden still doubtful"

And as you said he's a key player for the AB and specially for their scrum

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