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Boks v Bargies Video package here (Tries & Louw cam)

Started by Plum17 REPLIES571 VIEWS· 20 Aug 2018, 15:58
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Aug 2018, 15:58
#1
20 Aug 2018, 15:58#1

Hi guys


https://youtu.be/Fx2bToTd8NQ


The video is done . 


Two categories.


1) Tries - Included all the tries, with multiple replays and put them up in the order they were scored.


2) Louw cam. Stitched together every single slither of Louws involvement in the game. Surprisingly he did very little of any note. 


After having now watched the game multiple times due to having to follow Louw's every move, it became clear that most of you completely missed Whitley's huge influence on this game. He cleaned out ruck after ruck, was often the closest forward to a ball chase and made numerous tackles as well as some good passes. 


Whitely was easily the best loose forward on the park and likely the best forward overall on the day too. Louw on the other hand was increasingly slow and his influence on the game shrank and shrank. He had his only steal of the day just before being subbed. 


All in all, if what Louw managed on the day is all that we expect from a 6 then for my money there are much quicker and fitter guys to chose from. 


Mike, you assessment of Louw's game, in general was correct. He was not responsible of the Argie try though. Eben was semi-obstructed and Dyanti should have filled the space. 


The only parts of Louw's game that were excluded form this package are moments when he arrived at a ruck late or for whatever reason was not required to be involved in the ruck, resulting in him standing over or near the ruck without making any type of contact with anyone.


Let me know what you think. 


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Aug 2018, 16:09
#2
20 Aug 2018, 16:09#2

Yes, there is a spelling mistake somewhere. 

Don't even!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Aug 2018, 16:18
#3
20 Aug 2018, 16:18#3

Plum, if Whitely was our best forward, we are in big trouble.

Thanks for the effort, I will watch later.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
20 Aug 2018, 16:28
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20 Aug 2018, 16:28#4

@Plum. I have a program called Kinovea, that I found many moons ago but haven't used it for a very long time. It is really very good for what you are trying to do with this. It was actually developed and is used for video analyisis of sports events. It is freeware and, by the looks of it, still available. Have a look. https://www.kinovea.org/

It is described as: "Kinovea is a video player for all sport enthusiasts.

Slow down, study and comment the technique of your athletes or of yourself.

It is 100% free and open source."

It allows you, among others......

to draw gridlines on the pitch, etc to analise play, etc.

....compare two incidents


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2018, 16:31
#5
20 Aug 2018, 16:31#5
Very nice presentation Plum....you give us all the facts brilliantly......but then reach the wrong conclusion. Not unusual, it happens all the time, lots of analysis....but the conclusions are disconnected from the analysis. But then given more credibility because the analysis is well presented. I'll give you two examples.....the playing protecting the ball before Faf threw his long pass for the winger to score was Louw. Second, the player who saved the ball in the lineout when Stephanie lost control of it.....leading up to Mapimpi's try was Louw. No Louw input, two tries off the sheet. I thought Louw had a pretty ordinary game, but on viewing your tape....he was better than that. He made intelligent contributions all over the park and his last chase back and steal was world class. He has also been completely exonerated from the 2 Bargie tries. Thanks for doing this for us.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Aug 2018, 16:42
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20 Aug 2018, 16:42#6

Cool Moz.

I guess part of my interpretation is down to following him around and seeing how few rucks he got to. 

He probably punched smarter rather than harder.

We did lack speed to ruck in this game and Louw just got to very few of them.

He made very few tackles too. If he's gonna be the power guy then Kolisi needs to get there faster since Whitley was all over the show but can't be the only one relied upon.

Without Whitley's contribution, I'm not sure we'd have won this game.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
20 Aug 2018, 16:53
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20 Aug 2018, 16:53#7

This was very nicely done Plum. I still maintain though that our best forwards were Eben, Louw, Beast, Mal and Du Toit. Van Staden did good work when he was on. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
20 Aug 2018, 17:31
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20 Aug 2018, 17:31#8

"Without Whitley's contribution, I'm not sure we'd have won this game."



WTF Plum, did you watch another match?

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Aug 2018, 17:44
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20 Aug 2018, 17:44#9

Lol Draad. 

No, and before the edit I thought Whitely was pretty average. 

But man, as I was going through the game, he just kept popping up everywhere. 

Made tons of key cleans, lots of tackles and more. Nobody else matched either his work rate or his effectiveness. 

Lol edit two!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Aug 2018, 17:44
#10
20 Aug 2018, 17:44#10

Lol Draad. 

No, and before the edit I thought Whitely was pretty average. 

But man, as I was going through the game, he just kept popping up everywhere. 

Made tons of key cleans, lots of tackles and more. Nobody else matched either his work rate or his effectiveness. 

Lol edit two!

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
20 Aug 2018, 18:53
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20 Aug 2018, 18:53#11

It's amazing how much you see when you start following one player around. I'll have a look at perhaps summarizing Whiteley's contributions, maybe PSDT as well if I get time since he had a busy game as well. Thanks for the efforts, Plum.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Aug 2018, 19:05
#12
20 Aug 2018, 19:05#12
I'm okay with that conclusion Plum. I think Louw looked a bit rusty and perhaps a little static. Not sure I really see much difference in the Whiteley contribtion, but he was slightly busier in the tackling department. I have been doing Mozcroscopes for years tracking around given players and always found them instructive. It's great to see this kind of analysis up as a video on the Board.....a huge step up in the level of discussion, We talk about getting more participation.....having a truly intelligent site could be the way.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Aug 2018, 19:31
#13
20 Aug 2018, 19:31#13

Plum  i noted Whiteley's high work rate but am concerned about his physicality. He always plays hard the whole game. This RC will settle any questions.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
20 Aug 2018, 19:45
#14
20 Aug 2018, 19:45#14

Bit of a mistake on my part.

Kind of hijacked the conversation by punting Whitley when uploading the video.

Seems to have negated discussion on the tries and Louw's performance.

Wasn't intentional. 

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
21 Aug 2018, 08:22
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21 Aug 2018, 08:22#15
Nice one Plumster! I don't think any of the loosies had a particularly good game. They were all pretty average. I summarized my views on Louw' s involvement in the Argie tries on the other video thread, and neither was directly his fault, but he did share some culpability with other players for both tries. 
AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Aug 2018, 08:56
#16
21 Aug 2018, 08:56#16

It's no problem Plum. Let the discussions be fluid. It's better that way. 

AG
AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
21 Aug 2018, 11:34
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21 Aug 2018, 11:34#17

Don't get a chance to post as much anymore, but really good discussion point. Cheers for the breakdown Plum....Louw may not have as much gas left in the tank anymore, but we'll be lacking experience next years WC so a more experienced head can't be under-estimated.

Damn, Dyanti has some wheels, and he works hard too...compared to Rhule and Skosan last year, he goes looking for work, he's got a bit of Habana about him.

And obviously I'm gonna be biased being Shark oke, but Esterhuizen and Am looked far more stable than anything we've seen in the midfield recently, and with the lack of genuine carrying power from the loosies, Esterhuizen provides that - going into a WC cup year with a midfield who know each other, a 14 too (be it Mampimpi or Nkosi) it gives us some familiarity.

Look it's a long road back from the dark place Coetzee took us too but Rassie is doing well so far, it will take time but he's building depth and we actually have some starting of a style of play.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
21 Aug 2018, 11:51
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21 Aug 2018, 11:51#18

The team is very organised. More then that, these players were able to read play well, and the various units looked comfortable with each other. Hence why I am reluctant to bring the rotten apples back into the team. I'm almost finished the second half. It looks like Plum is going to be vindicated. Whitely did grow into the game. 

As much as I like Faf and Pollard, I really do miss the long passing game of Du Preez and Morné. It was so fluid and calm. Reliable. 

Esterhuizen is considerably stronger than Damian. He handles contact effortlessly and looks calm when play breaks down. The entire backline handle pressure well. Off the ball movement is the best for a while. I can see potential in this group. 

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