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Boks vs. France game - player ratings

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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jun 2017, 21:51
#1
17 Jun 2017, 21:51#1
Here are the player ratings as per Rugby 365. They seem a little high to me. Kolisi scored a 10 which is very impressive. I don't hear much from the posters who thought the coach was useless and that it was a PC team. Seems to me the Boks played very well. Early days yet but they looked good. ---------------------------------------

OPINION: THE SPRINGBOKS AGAIN PUT AN ALL-ROUND TEAM PERFORMANCE WITH SIYAMTHANDA KOLISI LEADING THE PHYSICAL ONSLAUGHT IN THE SECOND TEST. 

Everyone added to the performance and even the subs coming off the bench showed intent and made sure the French did not sneak any closer towards the end of the match.

Jeremy Papier rates the South African players!

15 Andries Coetzee:
Good early counter-attacking and good decision making. Gave the team some good positional advantage.
8/10

14 Raymond Rhule:
Good attacking lines and he worked tirelessly on defence. He got more involved in the game.
8/10

13 Lionel Mapoe:
Good performance by Mapoe. Not much opportunity on the ball, but he ran good lines at times.
8/10

12 Jan Serfontein:
Good start to the game and never took his foot off the pedal. Finished off an impressive team try. Strong defence in the midfield. It was a great effort 
9/10

11 Courtnall Skosan:
Kept on looking for work. He displayed some brilliant handling skills at times and tirelessly chased down kicks.
8/10

10 Elton Jantjies:
Yet another impressive performance by the flyhalf. He controlled the game perfectly and made the right decisions at the right time. Good goal-kicking throughout the game
9/10

9 Ross Cronje:
Solid performance by Cronje. He made one or two errors but fixed it in no time. He controlled the game throughout his time on the field
8/10

8 Warren Whiteley:
Much more involved in the game. Worked hard on defence and found a few gaps when he ran with the ball. He also did some good work at the breakdowns.
8/10

7 Teboho Mohoje:
Replacement in the 13th minute due to injury. Not enough time to be rated.

6 Siyamthanda Kolisi:
What a performance by Kolisi. Relentless work on defence and attack. By far the most impressive player on the field on the day. It was a great all-round performance from the loose forward. What can one say? Work rate. Work rate. Work rate. Happy Birthday, mate.
10/10

5 Francois Mostert:
Again, leading the defensive charges with his lock partner. He had a few Good line-out balls and a few strong carries. Great effort 
9/10

4 Eben Etzebeth:
Worked continuedly on and off the ball. Good performance by the big lock. Good aggression shown at times. Great effort
9/10

3 Frans Malherbe:
Good first half performance by the prop - involved in just about every aspect of the game. Picked up the pace in the second half and worked till he got replaced.
9/10

2 Malcolm Marx:
Picked up where he left off last week and showed again that he is an all-round hooker that can bring skill or physicality when needed. 
9/10

1 Tendai Mtawarira:
Much better performance by SA’s most capped front-rower. Strong defensive work and a few carries. Scrumming improved after the first penalty.
7/10

Replacements:

16 Mbongeni Mbonambi (On for Marx, 74th min):
Not enough time to be rated

17 Steven Kitshoff (On for Mtawarira, 53rd min):
Added to a winning performance with his strong defence.
6/10

18 Coenraad Oosthuizen (On for Malherbe, 65th min):
Added to a winning performance with good defence and strong running. Good try as well.
6/10

19 Pieter-Steph Du Toit (On for Etzebeth, 65th min):
Added to a winning performance by bringing his work rate.
6/10

20 Jean-Luc du Preez (On for Mohoje, 13th min):
Immediately made an impact when he came on with his ball carrying, defensive work, good counter rucking and his hard work at the breakdowns.
6/10

21 Francois Hougaard (On for Cronje,65th min):
Added to a winning performance. Sped up the game the moment he stepped on the field.
6/10

22 Francois Steyn (On for Mapoe, 65th min): 
Added to a winning performance.
6/10

23 Dillyn Leyds (On for Rhule, 78th min):
Not enough time to be rated

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AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
17 Jun 2017, 22:10
#2
17 Jun 2017, 22:10#2
Amazed that no one rated any of the Boks 15/10.
Yes, this team are world beaters without a doubt....Jantjies is #1 in the world at fly-half and all the rest are the best in their positions.
Now all you All Black and England supporters watch out because the world beaters are on a roll.
Two wins out of two test.....unbelievable.
What a coach we have in Coetzee.
Win, Win and more wins coming.
Salvation at last!!!!!!!!!
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
17 Jun 2017, 22:25
#3
17 Jun 2017, 22:25#3
Also, who are those two midgets who came on and greeted the players prior to the game?

CH
ChippoPro3,372 posts
17 Jun 2017, 22:33
#4
17 Jun 2017, 22:33#4
Art Pass the peace pipe bru
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Jun 2017, 23:36
#5
17 Jun 2017, 23:36#5
 Hopefully Du Preez gets a start next week. Guy is the real deal. I'm surprised at his temperament. Seems entirely uninterested in anything off the ball. Probably the result of growing up with a dad who walks the walk. Niks tyd vir kak nie.
 Marx, Du Perez, Mostert, Etsebeth, Whitely, Kitshoff and now seemingly Kolisi too. The Bok pack looks dangerous.
There was however an extended period of the game where the French seemed to make ground at will, which is a concern.  
RJSVR needs to get into the starting lineup ASAP with Serfontein at 13.
At altitude under Whitely at home(Ellis Park) for most of the Bok team, the French will struggle next week.
Still, the back end if the season for the French, with many of their guys having arrived this week, I wouldn't get too excited about beating them. 
The key is probably to leave the team as is and allow them to build confidence for the RC. Losing only to NZ this year will be the best possi ble result the Boks could hope for I'm afraid.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2017, 00:56
#6
18 Jun 2017, 00:56#6
plum
With respect the above ratings were in some respects too high.   Mohoje for instance was not rated - but he was lucky to get away without a yellow card for a high tackle and he was useless while on the field of play.   Du Preez was a huge improvement and he should start for the Boks next week.  
Mapoe did very little to justify a rating of 8/10  and the defense of Rhule was seriously defective - he missed 33% of attempted tackles.   Steyn added nothing to the game and the defensive disarray before the second French try was due to him as well.   I would much rather see another player (Vorster, Van Rensburg or De Allende) on the bench instead of him.  
I was also not impressed with Beast - scrumming on his side was problematic and the improvement when Kitshof came on was clear for everyone to see,   I would much rather start with the latter and bring Beast to face the bench prop.  
Du Toit did not get due recognition.   His off-load to Coenie Oosthuizen put the latter in space allowing him to score a try.   He was also the only Springbok who took a line-out turnover om opposition throw.   I am still not certain about using hj m from the bench.
However, for the second time in a row the Springbok backline functioned quite well.   I think the lack of a proper backline coach last year was destructive and the impact of Smith and Venter is becoming evident.  
The years of virtually no backline play or serious deficiencies in that component seems to be over.   The damage caused by Meyer - who stated that the Springboks lack of backline ability - and last year by Coetzee seems to be over.        
   
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
18 Jun 2017, 01:10
#7
18 Jun 2017, 01:10#7
It is looking good for the Boks, but we don't know how good this French team is. 
The 4 nations will be a better indicator. Australia is looking weak- and the Boks need to beat them and Argentina to get more perspective.
My ratings-

15 Andries Coetzee:  7/10

14 Raymond Rhule: 7.5/10

13 Lionel Mapoe: 6.0/10

12 Jan Serfontein: 9/10

11 Courtnall Skosan: 8.5/10

10 Elton Jantjies: 9/10

9 Ross Cronje: 8/10

8 Warren Whiteley: 8.5/10
7 Teboho Mohoje: 6.0/10


Kolisi- 10/10



5 Francois Mostert:  8.5/10
4 Eben Etzebeth: 7.0

3 Frans Malherbe: 7.5/10

2 Malcolm Marx: 8.5/10

1 Tendai Mtawarira: 7.5/10

16 Mbongeni Mbonambi  5.5/10


17 Steven Kitshoff     6/10

18 Coenraad Oosthuizen 7.5/10

19 Pieter-Steph Du Toit 6.5/10

20 Jean-Luc du Preez 7.5./10

21 Francois Hougaard 6.5/10

22 Francois Steyn 6/10

23 Dillyn Leyds (On for Rhule, 78th min):

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2017, 01:55
#8
18 Jun 2017, 01:55#8
 SB
Another very liberal assessment.   Kitshoff was a huge improvement on Beast in scrumming as well as general play.   So how can he get 6,5 and Beast get 7,5?
Du Toit was the only player who took a line-out on French throw-in and the off-load to Coenie caused the latter's try.   7 or 7,5 is called for.  I would also give Mohoje 4 for spilling a ball and then making a high tackle - for the rest he was useless.  
You are very liberal insofar as Mapoe and Steyn is concerned,   My assessment of Mapoe and Steyn would both be 5.   His questionable defense will not warrant a higher rating than 5 for Rhule.  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,259 posts
18 Jun 2017, 16:45
#9
18 Jun 2017, 16:45#9
 @cm 
I thought Beast had a good game in the loose. I did see the scrums improve at the end of the game- but was not sure if this was solely Beast/Kitshoff. 
DuToit, had 2 very good moments. Other than those, I did not see much of him- albeit he was not on the pitch for long.
Mohoje does deserve under 5 for the stupid penalty. 
I did not see much of Frans Steyn- other than mostly defence where he looked solid.
Mapoe did not get much ball- but he was running some solid lines and contributed overall.
Rhule had some good runs- and saved a certain try with a cover tackle. 
All in all, a few players made mistakes- but they also redeemed themselves.The cover tackle by Ross Cronjie was 100% commitment. 
Cronjie does not seem blessed with the natural abilities of some Springbok scrumhalf , but he is a thinking player. 
AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
18 Jun 2017, 18:12
#10
18 Jun 2017, 18:12#10
Those ex-Sharkies sure played well hey Plum.  
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
18 Jun 2017, 23:16
#11
18 Jun 2017, 23:16#11
 Lol AJ
I don't dislike any SA franchises. I want all our teams to do well and am happy for both the Sharks and the Bulls(their new coach).
Very worried about Beenos lot though :/ Had high hopes for them.
Those Lions/Boks have been decent though...huh? ;)
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