SA rugby just put out a statement that no boks were involved as the as the Sunday paper threatens to publish an expose of cocaine use. Probably the same newspaper that pinned Elton. News papers are desperate, but the again, never say never.
At least they won with a bonus point
There were two players that saved the Springboks from real embarrassment and they were De Allende and Marx.
There were two players that saved the Springboks from real embarrassment and they were De Allende and Marx.
the again, never say never.
Oh, no, never can be said in this case.
The OP sets two stories side by side when they have nothing in common.
The quota couple was punished without them infringing any code of conduct, rules, laws etc
SA rugby can afford punishing people on no ground for what were an innocuous situation that should have never been made public and if it were, nothing prevented SA rugby from not punishing the couple as they infringed nothing and keep it as it is: a private matter.
Punishing them comes with no consequences though.
Cocaine use is a different case. It is a massive infringement. And this ensures nothing happens.
The newspaper may have all the strongest elements in the world, nothing will happen as SA rugby can not afford a cocaine use reveal.
At worst, a quota player will be thrown under the bus and word of rugby will come out of the woods to regret the situation and hammer the very fact that this was a isolated case, that cocaine use is not wide spread amongst SA rugby players.
In fact, the leak may come from SA rugby themselves. There may be players who have started to no longer use cocaine as a performance boost but for off game use on a regular basis. This would send a warning to those players, knowing that SA rugby have the luxury to send one of them under the bus.
They must curb their consumption and stick to use cocaine as a performance booster.
Never is a correct approximation. Maybe in 50 years, a guy will spill the beans. And yet.
It was a hit piece by a news paper with. I'm not saying it did not happen, but the timing of the article and the fact that players were contacted as well as their agents to get a response.
As stated, players are tested independently and you will be caught like that steroid taker that through his career away.
Jantjies is a different story as he has admitted being at guest houses and his wife also confirmed.
It is unfortunate that Simjee got pulled in. The Boks did not dump them but allowed them to go to deal with this. I'm sure if it's false allegations then the paper will have to pony up.
The team comes first
Trad is too much of a bigot to see the obvious...and the massive chips are weighing him down.
What chips.
players are tested independently and you will be caught like that steroid taker that through his career away.
Sure thing. Mister Olympia athletes are tested independently. Apart from the odd cases, they all are natural athletes.
The case would be by far too big to come through.
Nothing to see. Better to move on.
The players are regularly tested and since a large number of Springbok players play for NH clubs even more so. Tests are regularly done iro all players and if there were truth in the allegations it would have been exposed years ago.
This type f accusation is just plain garbage. it would routinely come from players who in tests disgraced themselves are are not selected for the squad anyway. So lets accept the allegation is BS unless some tests produce proof.- bearing in mind players are tested at least twice a month.on franchise, club or int ernational level.
usually where there's smoke, there's fire ...
its probably kolisi, lood and de lindy.
de lindy has had that spaced out look for ages now ...
and as for lood ... well, the man with his beard seriously looks to me as if he's had one too many shrooms over the years.
Haha, you should see where Big Joe Van Niekerk is these days. Long hair, loving in Costa Rica and into plant medicine. But the guy looks really happy. He made a point that Alcohol is one of the worst drugs, but it is in our sport as a sponsor as well as a post match celebrations. His view is that players shouldn't be punished for that but rather get help. That's said od they were on Coke during the game they would be far more frantic like Faf. Where as if they were come off it they would be completely pap.
Actually, Pedrie Wannenburg admitted taking Coke and drinking heavily. Ludike or Meyer just told him if he wants to do that then he doesn't belong on the sporting field and should leave, but the player came clean and got tested weakly. Not that he was my favourite player, but it happens.
The only drug to my mind that gives you and edge is steroids, the rest are recreational and can lead to addiction the same way some people get addicted to alcohol
I just hope it is news paper trying to blow things out of proportion
de lindy has had that spaced out look for ages now ...
De Lindsay Lohan is the prime suspect.
Otherwise, it was an all-nighter by Jantjies and Zeenat at the guest house....
I just hope that the allegation of drug use is not true.
As to an all-nighter by Elton unfortunately he is not a stayer as per his rugby game it's in and get out fast irrespective of any aids or experience.
Poor Zeenat.
Percy?
Gosh, our lads sure know how to party.......in between the bonking and drugging they play a bit of rugga on the side.
The players are regularly tested and since a large number of Springbok players play for NH clubs even more so.
Sportspeople usually are regularly tested. Very few sports declare as free to use any drugs (especially as those drugs are reported as illegal)
This guy has been competiting for a decade or so now
All natural, the result of excellent genetics, excellent work ethics, excellent diet. No drugs use as the guy is regularly tested. Always come clean. Actually, most of Mister Olympia winners never came to compete to the event using drugs.
The list could go on.
Mister Olympia events are so drug cleaned some guys had the idea of banking on it to run in parallel another federation: the natural body building federation that promises drug clean athletes.
Of course, all the athletes involved as drug clean, not just athletes who are on less gear.
No one is on gear, everyone is tested.
The only drug to my mind that gives you and edge is steroids, the rest
are recreational and can lead to addiction the same way some people get
addicted to alcohol
Blatantly incorrect. Different purposes, different uses.
All kinds of drugs to serve different purposes.
Cocaine has multiple immediate effects like lowering inhbitions, increase of alertness, increase of fatigue and pain tolerance etc
All effects are welcome when rugby players focus on destroying physically (leaving theirs marks) theirs opponents and therefore provide an edge.
The ABs stated it: when facing SA rugby, one goes to dark places.
You can't hide Cocaine use...stays in the system for months...and these guys are tested regularly...there's something to this story, but the players can't be involved unless the tests are cooked...and it's done by reputable independents, so that'shighly unlikely ...
Reading the above - it is the normal BS that idiots use to attack certain players - why suddenly is de Allende a suspect according to them? Because they love lies and try to pretend it is the truth. They would all be welcomed by the Democratic Party as members and supporters - since the latter lot are habitual liars similar to them.
You can't hide Cocaine use...stays in the system for months...
Tests are designed to detect substances in a certain way. While cocaine remains in the body for several weeks, it may turn away from urine and blood over a few days. Players'hair is not tested every three days.
these guys are tested regularly...
Of course they are tested regulary. Being tested regulary is part of any professional sportspeople.
Not only they are part of their life, but professional sportspeople are paid to take drugs tests.
Not only they are paid to take tests, but they are paid to pass drugs tests.
It is useless depicting the drugs tests routine as experienced by professional sportspeople as something similar to lets say an employee who may be called at no notice by his employer to take a drug test immediately.
It is not part of a weekly routine and US employees are not paid to pass drugs tests.
but the players can't be involved unless the tests are cooked...and it's done by reputable independents, so that'shighly unlikely...
Another occurrence of differences in brains.
People with advanced brains when facing immigration or counterfeit dismiss commonly that borders are guarded, that customs office work etc
Yet from their same line of thought they use for drugs problems among professional sportspeople, they should conclude no problems in immigration, counterfeit etc
Advanced brains have that capabitility to ease contradictions when primitive brains are much less able.
Primitive brains treat and approach things in a similar way.
Yes, borders are guarded, yes, custom offices work, it does not mean people who are prepared for it can not slip through.
Yes, professional sportspeople are tested regularly, it does not mean people who are prepared can not slip through.
As a reminder, it is very likely that every single sports federation runs programs to test athletes.
It is very likely that no sports federation allows athletes to do as they please and even less likely that a sport federation advocates for drug use.
Smuggling has been a thing for ages. The key for smuggling has always been the same: know about the control applied to prevent smuggling.
And smugglers are paid to pass tests.
Plum, you should read professors Nut book on drugs and how it works. I really think there is a bad stigma on drugs or at least a bit of pot. For myself, no thank you. Don't get the fascination, the closest I came being high is going under for an operation.
The problem is, that every person have a different type of addiction, alcohol can be a seriously dangerous drugs for many, and it is legal. Destroys countless lives. Pot is not without its own problems. Cocaine just makes you hyper and then super flat.
I spoke to a few people that went through the drug phase. In the end, the high you get has a down side, same with to much drinking.
That said, my step dad is fighting 2 cancers and now making his own cannabis oil and it is working really well for him. Instead having to take chemo pills that poison you and make your final years or months miserable, although, not an exact science.
Yes about all this testing hype....remember "Benzine" Johnson that sprinter who won the 100m Olympic final representing Canada.
He was tested on a regular basis yet he still was allowed to run in the final with a mountain of proven evidence against him.
Sure he was disqualified eventually, and then we have that fantastic cyclist from the USA "Iron- ride" Armstrong who won several Tour de France tours whilst using some form of "refreshments".
I am sure that many more cases exist and that some individuals have retire as a result of the testing and being exposed.
If sports people can deceive the Olympic testing routine which is reputed to be the best in sport how is "Dr. Mgobo" going to detect any irregularities with his set of "Bones".
Not accusing any players of using but just how did this story originate and gain traction.
Any form of drug or alcohol use is a sure way to go if you wish to waste a life.
Need evidence go to Europe, USA and Canada and see the results in all the big cities.
Crime, homeless and wasted lives are prevalent in all streets, alleys, families and communities.
Disgusting to see humans in such deplorable condition and surroundings.
Yet some governments have made "Drug Stops" legal and the "people" can shoot up with drugs, needles and whatever they need free.
Absolutely shocking.
It now turns out that it was the other guest house that was noisy, not the one Jantjies rente d.
The other guest house was rented by Eztebeth, with reports that Beeno1 stated the night as his unpaid guest. The pillow had to be replaced the next day due to bite marks.
Forensics identified Beeno using tooth prints provided by his dentist. Beano was not available for comment, other than saying he stands against drugs. Beeno has since been seen with a walking stick
see no reason why the guys shouldn’t be allowed to smoke a bit of pot.
Does wonders for reflecting on situations and also recovery.
Rugby players are already allowed to take a lot of so called recreational drugs (including cocaine) during their off time (that is when they are not on the field)
This is absolute non sense as recovering, training are all part of the daily life of professional players and anything that boosts them boosts on field performances.
As to allowing them, so called recreational drugs usually are used in non competitive environments.
In competitive environments, usually, the trend is to increase the reliance on certain behaviours, means.
When one guy gets theirs hands on an efficient substances, others must enquire immediately about it and consider taking it. A drugs race similar to arms races.
If sports people can deceive the Olympic testing routine which is reputed to be the best in sport how is "Dr. Mgobo" going to detect any irregularities with his set of "Bones".
It reads as if the reputable labs in charge of drug testing are opertated by SA quota people.
If that is the case, how it comes that people on this board give the result any credit.
It may a made up statement but if confirmed, this would be quite a piece of information as when people wrote about reputable labs, it was considered as labs that are located elsewhere and specialized in drugs testings, in countries like Switzerland for example.
Now if the tests are run in SA, that is another story.
