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Boks will go for broke

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 11:35
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30 Sept 2013, 11:35#1

Ex Superpsort

Heyneke Meyer did say last week he was confident his side could chase whatever target was set them in the final test the Springboks play in this year’s Castle Lager Rugby Championship provided they were still in with a shout, so the scene is set for quite grand finale at Ellis Park on Saturday.


When New Zealand wing Ben Smith surged through some ineffectual Puma tackling off the last play of the game in La Plata in the early hours of this past Sunday morning, it considerably added to the task facing the Boks when they play the All Blacks. (Man the argies handed that to them on a platter)

Yes, they can win the Championship, but to do so they need to win and score four tries in the process, and they need to ensure that the All Blacks don’t get anything.

It’s the achievement of the second task, rather than the scoring of the four tries, that might be the most difficult aspects, and the Boks do have some thinking to do on how to go about repeating the big 40-26 win scored at the same venue in Jake White’s first season in charge back in 2004.

The All Blacks showed again in La Plata that they are masters at exploiting turnover ball, so while the Boks “playing more rugby”, which is the way Wallaby coach Ewen McKenzie described their approach against his team this past weekend, may increase the prospect of a four try haul, it will almost inevitably also offer the All Blacks opportunities.(little chance of the abs getting 4 tries against a decent defence unless its ref assisted)


There were times, particularly later in the game at Newlands, where the rugby played resembled the Sevens approach rather than what you would expect in a test match.

While the yellow carding of Duane Vermeulen didn’t help the hosts, they might have been better off had they been more methodical in their approach rather than giving the impression they were going to swing the ball here, there and everywhere.


They weren’t helped on the day by the fact that the platform that they needed to launch off wasn’t as sound as it had been in Brisbane three weeks earlier.

There were reasons for that, and the French referee could well been at the heart of it. Bok skipper Jean de Villiers was heard complaining to him during the game that the Wallabies were taking the Bok jumpers out in the air.

Jerome Garces was heard on the field ears saying that he would look at it, but there was no evidence that he ever did.

Bok coach Meyer was clearly unhappy about that aspect of the game afterwards, and the fact that Garces didn’t act, but he had to proceed wisely with what he said in this era where referees are considered Royal game and cannot be criticised.

I was unhappy with the lineouts and it was one of the things that let us down, but there were reasons for that which I cannot talk about,” said Meyer afterwards.(The ozzies are learning from the kiwis it seems)


He might just as well have said the same about the scrums, where the Wallabies were allowed to get up to their old tricks of travelling close to the boundary of the law in negating the power of the opposition unit. (As noted by Beeno) They appeared to be engaging early and pushing early (Yes indeed as botrh Mallet and Mitchell said).

The Boks did come back strongly in the scrums later in the game, and there was no way you could say the Wallabies got the better of them, but the visitors were allowed to be a lot more competitive than they were in Brisbane.

The same applied to their stopping of the Bok mauling, a key part of the South African game, and it contributed to the element of frustration that was allowed in the end to sneak into what was otherwise another dominant Bok performance that again confirmed that, even if they may currently be behind the All Blacks, they are a long way ahead of the other teams in this competition.(we are currently ahead of the abs oak)

FORWARD BATTLE

“The Springboks are a very complete team at the moment and I think it will be tough for the All Blacks playing them on a ground where traditionally they play well,” said Wallaby captain James Horwill, who added at the time that he would have to watch the La Plata game before making a proper prediction about whether the Boks could win the Championship.

If he did stay up to watch that game, Horwill might have said that where the All Blacks have an advantage over South Africa at the moment is that they are more clinical and perhaps still more mature as a team too.

Hitting target off the last move of the game was typical of this All Black team (What rubbish it was argie incompetence rather than ab ability), who were able to score four tries in a match played on a damp field and where for much of the way they came off second in the forward battle.(Hahahahahhahahaha an argiwe win over the wee abs cant be far off)

That last part though is what offers the Boks hope – the Bok pack can definitely improve on the performance turned in against the Wallabies, and would have noted how much the All Black scrum struggled against the Pumas in the first half.

Flip van der Merwe will be the subject of a disciplinary hearing on Monday, but even if he is cleared to play, this might also be a time to reintroduce Juandre Kruger for what he could do to put the All Black lineout, which is still sometimes vulnerable, under pressure.

If the Boks do get significantly the better of the forward battle at Ellis Park, they do have far more attacking teeth than do Argentina, and will make any upfront superiority count much more than the Pumas were able to.

What the Boks need to do before Saturday is figure out how they go about it – it won’t help if they start with massive intensity and score lots of points early but then are tired in the last quarter and the Kiwis grab a four-try bonus point or are able to bounce back to within seven points on the scoreboard.

The Newlands match was a departure from what we usually see from the Boks when they win well. As the Wallaby coach pointed out in the build-up, the scores were relatively close in Brisbane until the last quarter.

But that is when the Boks tend to kill off most of their opponents because of their suffocate, subdue and then penetrate approach.

Against Samoa and against Argentina in the previous test matches played on the Highveld this year the Boks have piled on most of the agony after halftime.

There was a reason for that, and it was sourced in what they did early in the game in ensuring that their opponents weren’t given any space to breathe.

Against the Wallabies in Cape Town the intensity of the constriction process appeared to be released after the first quarter, possibly because the Boks felt their task was done.

Of course what makes Ellis Park more interesting, and what adds another dynamic, is that the All Blacks know they need to stop the Boks scoring four tries.


So they are going to be paying attention to their defensive game and the early constriction, if it happens, might not bother them too much if the Boks aren’t scoring tries in the process.

It is why the Ellis Park challenge is such a daunting one for the Boks.


But then most South Africans would probably agree that just a win would be enough to underline the progress that the team has undeniably made this year, and if they are denied the Championship trophy by a solitary bonus point, everyone will know that it was really Romaine Poite, the man who messed up the Eden Park test, who was to blame.(Exactly so!!)


Frankly this idea we are behind the wee abs is a lot of rubbish. Even last year we should have beaten the abs by 20 points in dunedin where we missed 9 goalable kicks and butchered a couple of tries. Then it is a rule of thumb that a yellow is worth 10 points. Man we played 50 minutes with 14 men. The abs won by 14 and one of their tries was NO try - no evidence of grounding and no abs celebrations.

The only reason we didn't win the RC last year was Morne having problems with his goal kicking and its a total travesty and that we are now needing a 5 pointer to win it in 2013 thanks to some appaling refereeing once again favouring the abs - as it always does according to Stuart Barnes, John Reason, Beeno and all astute rugby men


Go Bokke time to really beat up on the wee abs imposters! 


 

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
30 Sept 2013, 11:52
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30 Sept 2013, 11:52#2
 Go for broke Hasbeeno and let's see if your "crash & bash" merchants can score 4 tries! I don't think so as the fumbling Boks will drop the ball sure as eggs in the face of the AB's watertight defence. Then we'll pick it up and score at the other end! Boring really cos then the Boks will revert to their really exciting rolling mauls from 5 metres out and good luck getting 4 of those across the line in a game!Time to put Dunedin to rest Hasbeeno....it'll shorten your life span considerably until you do. You must wake in the night screaming at Morne to get a kick right!Oh, and you are behind the wee ABs mate....5 points behind. Still there's always 2014 Hasbeeno or have you pushed out the fabled Bok dominance another year or two??
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 12:02
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30 Sept 2013, 12:02#3
moooooo la you obviously have been working with your shrink who has given you show images to help you cope with your PMT.
moooo la we are well on track and about to take over the number 1 spot so unworthily held by the abs  using devious means. 2014 is the yea r although I still expect significant improvements thereafter
Beeno on war footing
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Sept 2013, 12:14
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30 Sept 2013, 12:14#4


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 12:30
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30 Sept 2013, 12:30#5
 Hakwa please don't go over the top again. I am not referring to world war 3 boet!Just a nice little pre match war between fans. I am worried we could have abnob type casualties so I appeal to all Bok fans not to get to tough on the glass jawed kiwis.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Sept 2013, 12:35
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30 Sept 2013, 12:35#6
LMFAO, :oD

its world war E in here , take cover everyone, o_O
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
30 Sept 2013, 13:07
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30 Sept 2013, 13:07#7
 If there is one stadium the Boks can do it at, it is Ellis Park. They often put some of their biggest scores on the kiwis there. A problem is that the kiwis also usually nearly match us and we cant have them score 4 tries or finish within 7 here.
2004 40-26 Boks2000 46-40 Boks1997 32-35 AB1996 32-22 Boks
Those scores have not always involved 4 tries on the part of SA. Looks like we are going to need to score in the 40's to get the 4 tries. I did predict a score of 43-18 to the Boks though. I just have a feeling and its going to play out like that. Guaranteed ;-)
I am happy with just a win from the Boks though. Anything else is a bonus. Will be bitter sweet for the AB's to lift the trophy after losing the game!
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IhiClub Pro201 posts
30 Sept 2013, 13:15
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30 Sept 2013, 13:15#8
 All black defence is actually piss poor from turnover ball themselves they concede pretty soft tries from turnovers and thats where their illegal activiuty at the breakdown really helps them the most because its hard to get that momentum when they slow or illegally poach your ball. if the boks can get a fair game then i think they have a pretty good shout but dont count on it! i have to say that the boks used the ball pretty well on the weekend and it looks like a bright future for them. just stick to what works and hope ref involvment does fug up another test like the last two bok tests
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BoklogicPro1,978 posts
30 Sept 2013, 13:25
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30 Sept 2013, 13:25#9
 At least the Boks know that they have to score tries. We have not been backed into a corner like this in a long time. Hopefully we surprise the world and do what no one expects and thats score tries. We have it in us, that is for sure.
We need to be careful with intercept specialists like Ben Smith and Conrad Smith in the team. They will expect us to throw it around and hopefully we can read their intercept attempts and use it to our advantage. We cant give them any soft tries and thats exactly what intercepts are.
Go for the corner from penalties because I dont see the All Blacks keeping our maul out all day long. Not legally at least and one two many infringements around a maul in the red zone and they could see cards. his will make our maul unstoppable. Hopefully our maul can bring 2 tries. It brought an easy as pie one in Auckland. Couple of this big rolling mauls with 60 000 fans going wild and its easy tries.
If we play field position and we play smartly, we can beat these okes. They have proven they are not the force they think they are.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Sept 2013, 13:28
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30 Sept 2013, 13:28#10

If the All Blacks think that defence is the way to go and hope for easy penalties - - like hose given away by our loosies this week - they will make a mistake.  Their answer remains take the ball out wide and attack that way.   The issue here is the way the game is played.   Last years strategy in Soweto would be the best way to handle the Springboks.

 

The problem remains the poor strategic kicking game of Steyn, added to his lack of penetration in attacking play is going to limit the Chances of the Springboks to score th four tries they will need.

 

I still think the All Blacks is going to use the same strategy as they did last year in Soweto and the Springboks will struggle unsuccessfully to win the game.

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IhiClub Pro201 posts
30 Sept 2013, 13:31
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30 Sept 2013, 13:31#11
 A repost because you keep dodging this one:

mike just to put all of this into perspective for you. attacking rugby ball in hand is not as simple as play flat or play deep. for your information the flat attack was something only Australia got right and its their tradition. new zealand dont play as flat traditionally. the next part is that attacking play revolves arund the orchestration of the backline units and the basic components of building an actual honest to god setplay or move (blockers, sliders, in/out lines, cut passes, switches, circle balls to name only a few). so you choose your target channel, you choose your target striker, you build decoy lines around that target line and voila you have yourself attacking movement. Or you create option plays where your 10 will choose which line to distribute to and there are lots of situational plays (you have to be in the right areas of the field and you have build some momentum)  the point here is that morne is not the ONLY aspect of bok attacking rugby, its takes more than one player mate to pull all tyhis off. ive seen so many boks thrown down the crapper because they were expected to do it all with no planning and no real attacking phylosophy. to your credit i dont think your a bad bloke just misguided. i dont want to hop on the bandwagon and give you a bashing but your got morne in the crsshairs and nothing rational is unclogging that perception. you just dont know attacking rugby or you just dont like morne because he is a bull.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Sept 2013, 13:32
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30 Sept 2013, 13:32#12
 let you in on a little secret Boklogic! We need a proper training run before we meet the English again (unfinished business ) so YES, we are looking forward to the Test - actually more than you as we need something that will push and motivate us.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Sept 2013, 14:08
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30 Sept 2013, 14:08#13
 Nervous bravado by ou hakwa. I sense sleepless nights for ab fans as the bubble threatens to burst. 
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Sept 2013, 14:27
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30 Sept 2013, 14:27#14
 





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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
30 Sept 2013, 17:02
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30 Sept 2013, 17:02#15
 
How old are you Homowa ... ???

Isn't it time you go for a little lie down??


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Sept 2013, 17:14
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30 Sept 2013, 17:14#16

All that shooting and this was still the result:

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 <img src="http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20130929&t=2&i=798457008&w=&fh=&fw=&ll"/>  

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Sept 2013, 18:51
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30 Sept 2013, 18:51#17
 R u still awake Cloudy? Don't u Queenslanders ever sleep?
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