MDMonkey D Luffy
Pro6,277 posts
MDMonkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
01 Jun 2014, 20:47#2
@mozter,
"Victor adds so much in clean ball, linking play and decision making it would have tilted the balance."
matfiled excels inn lineouts, from tactics/decision making to execution of play, and it is of such a high level that i warrants his inclusion in the Boks.
but he has never been known for linking play and decision making anywhere else.
he does as been often says love to moonlight in the backs, and there he usually does the simple school boy rugby of run or pass, but its nothing worth mentioning.
his presence wouldnt have changed anything, the lions were the better team adn their lineouts were kak compared tot the bulls who manged to steal at least 5 of the lions own ball.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Jun 2014, 22:43#5
So the Bools overall win 6 of their 14 games...draw one...and lose 7. The first clue is the Bools lose all 4 games where Matfield isn't playing...fora zero percent win ratio. In the 10 games he plays they win 6 and draw one....for a 60 percent win ratio...or a 30 percent loss ratio....compared with the 100 percent loss ratio sans Matfield?
Matfield looms particularly large against SA players. Enough so to speculate he could have made the difference vs the Lions.
The facts are very compelling the arguments from the scumbag notwithstanding.
02 Jun 2014, 10:45#6
Hindsight is an exact science.
Somehow I doubt one man would have made such a difference.
Funny how it's never about the Lions winning a match but rather how their opponents lost it.
Well if that be the case then may many more opponents lose their matches to us.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
02 Jun 2014, 10:54#7
With matfiled the loss would have been more severe. The bulle tight five would have been weakened significantly. The only edge the bulle had was in their tight five.
Time for the show pony to retire. H as he hypnotised Meyer. Calling victor a warrior is absurd!
02 Jun 2014, 11:31#8
Meyer has lost the plot completely.
We have a squad of geriatrics being prepared because of his lunacy.
Geriatrics and chumps is what Meyer's squad is made up of.
I don't have an issue with overseas based players ... if they're the best we have.
I do have issues with chumps like Gurthro, Kirchner, Du Preez, Pienaar and Bakkies though as we have far better boys to choose from right here at home.
Meyer is a damn fool.

sharkbok
Captain23,295 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
02 Jun 2014, 13:46#9
Matfield is one of the few players in the Bulls squad that has a brain
SASaffolk
Captain30,741 posts
SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jun 2014, 14:14#10
Yeah of course they would have won, his massive physical presence would have made the world of difference - what a joke
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jun 2014, 15:29#11
Dumbo Mozart
The initial losses of the Bulls were largely the result of playing Fouche at flyhalf - not because of the absence of Matfield. The Bulls backline misfired with Fouche in the mix as pivot - same with the misfiring of the Sharks backline because of the weak-kneed Steyn.
Their forwards did well enough - Matfield made no difference to that bar the weakening of their tight 5 situation - their driving mauls collapsed as he brings nothing to that one. The Bulls started to win with Potgieter and Pollard at flyhalf - that made the real difference.
It is weird that the credit for the Bulls wins suddenly is credited to the presence of Matfield - can there be a more stupid assumption as that one - but what else can one expect from a rugby illiterate.
FOForeverArizona
Club Pro580 posts
FOForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
03 Jun 2014, 15:39#12
"but what else can one expect from a rugby illiterate."...says the ducking idiot that chooses a whole white backline for the 2016 Springbok team and has a personal vandetta against Frans Steyn because he is so in love and ready to have De Elende babies...Every post has to include Steyn or Alberts or both and somehow De Elende.At least Mozart knows what he is talking about.
Lets change the channel shall we,this is boring now.
AJArthur John
Pro1,748 posts
AJArthur JohnPro1,748 posts
03 Jun 2014, 21:14#13
Well why did he not play?
Did buddy Meyer request him to sit out to ensure that he was not to tired to be selected for the 1st test.
Matfield is well past his sell by date.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jun 2014, 05:42#14
So what if he doesnt play every S15 game....the ABs are smart enough to rest McCaw. So what are we supposed to do ...play Matfield into the deck just to show we are macho. The stupidity of this campaign against our greatest Bok in the professional era defies belief. He is a grizzled veteran, but still good enough to turn around the Bools season.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jun 2014, 06:25#15
Mozart
I am sure about one thing and that is that Matfield will fade out on test level. He is already not showing much in tight 5 play on Super 15 level and he will show much less on test level.
In a way I am glad he is going to play this year and not next year when the fiasco would have been more damaging. Moonlighting in the backline would not be advantageous in future tests and that will cause problems for backline play - as if there are not enough already.
What bothers me about Matfield is not the player himself - but that he keeps younger, stronger and more effective players in tight 5 play out of contention and that is a fact as well. Meyer is going to find out his fault of playing the failures of 2010 and 2011 too late and by then the horse would have bolted.
04 Jun 2014, 10:56#17
Mike ... please enlighten us who the better 5 locks are currently available.
Thanks in anticipation.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Jun 2014, 11:13#18
Cleancut
I answered you elsewhere. Look under the finding of a coash thread.
04 Jun 2014, 13:11#19
For the record. Ou Maaikie's favourite flavour at no 5 is Brittle Bones Bekker.