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Bredan Venter talks Backline attack & Skill Levels of SA Players... JJ also gets a mention!

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 15:31
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13 May 2014, 15:31#1

Return on investment

by Brendan Venter 08/05/2014, 09:17

The overriding perception at present suggests that South African rugby lacks skilled players to employ a ball-in-hand approach. However, the invention and dynamism that the Bulls and Stormers’ back lines displayed this past round, for example, served to unravel that argument.

The Stormers scored some cracking tries, while the Bulls showed glimpses of their incredible attacking potential. I noted with interest how the Cape side’s offensive play revolved around Juan de Jongh and Damian de Allende, for instance. Meanwhile, the Bulls’ attack came to life as a direct result of the well-functioning triumvirate of Handré Pollard, Jan Serfontein and William Small-Smith.

During my tenure with the South African under-20 team, I had the privilege of working with the aforementioned talented trio. In regards to Pollard, still a member of the Junior Springbok side, I called for his inclusion as the Bulls’ starting flyhalf a few months ago. From first-hand experience, I know he is in possession of a well-rounded game. There’s no question the former Paarl Gimnasium pupil adds a further dimension to the Bulls’ attack.

Meanwhile, although the Sharks remain at the summit of Super Rugby, their attack clearly lacks bite. My question is: can the Durban-based side win the competition by only being defensive?

Perhaps as coaches, myself included, it’s high time to stop hiding behind the excuse that our players lack skill and rather admit that more time and effort is currently being spent on coaching defence, set-piece and a territorially-driven game strategy.

Attack is the most challenging facet of the oval game to coach, owing to the complexities that arise in terms of decision-making. Thus, the current perception that exists is that one must put in so much time for such a small return on investment.

However, when a team has been together for as long as the Stormers have, for example, I believe the next step in the evolution process is investing coaching time into one’s attack. By so doing, less time will then be spent on the previously developed areas.

While I must stress that attack must always be employed in the right areas of the field, I believe that the ultimate reward will far outweigh the risk. As Jean de Villiers pointed out after the Stormers’ four-try, bonus-point win over the Highlanders, “’we’re starting to eliminate the fear of mistakes".

However, the trick with employing a more ball-in-hand approach is not down to mindset alone.

While we might witness some pleasing progress in the coming weeks, I have a sneaky suspicion that our sides will take a step backwards before taking the ultimate step forward in terms of playing pattern and personnel employed.

With regard to the latter, we’ve already seen this occur with the Bulls' senselessly relegating Small-Smith to the bench after a highly impressive performance against the Cheetahs.

I could have understood that line of thinking had he endured an average or below-par game but the truth is he was fantastic. I counted at least five half-breaks from the player which, in turn, created attacking momentum for his side.

Thus, selecting the likes of Small-Smith and other young players sporadically is simply not good enough in my book…. If the attacking route is the one a coach has chosen, then give them a go!

Ultimately, I believe the seismic shift within South African rugby will only be truly felt when coaches take the proverbial plunge and make the conscious decision to invest their greatest proportion of time and energy on coaching attack, sound in the knowledge that there’s enough in the bank as far as the other facets of the game are concerned.

Do you believe your favourite Super Rugby side possesses the personnel capable of playing more than just a power-game? Share your views by posting your comment below….


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 15:34
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13 May 2014, 15:34#2
Given how badly the SA teams are ranking at the moment, maybe the rest of the tournament should be written off in terms of winning games. 
Instead it should be about taking risks and seeing how much our teams can improve in backline attack and scoring tries. Less kicking and more tries from the backlines, even if it means losing close games.
As for JJ, I also thought Small-Smith had a good game being more penetrative in the midfield. He seems to have more power than JJ with an eye for the gap. Looks like he is strong on his feet with a good offload.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 May 2014, 17:53
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13 May 2014, 17:53#3

Twatbok, I see you are displaying your rugby ignorance again. Small-Smith did nothing of note in the game he played for the Bulls.....one step and a good line run - both of which amounted to nothing.

 

More power from the 90kg little guy......eye for a gap, which gap was that then you ignorant twit........try work with the facts, you might just gain some credibility, instead of making your name arse by making it up as you go.

 

Small-Smith needs to muscle up if he wants to be taken seriously  

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 18:03
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13 May 2014, 18:03#4
Saffex your hero looks more like a gymnast than a rugby player

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 May 2014, 18:32
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13 May 2014, 18:32#5
 Saffex
Unfortunately it is not Sharkbok who says that the bringing back of JJ was a mistake - it is Venter.   Whether you like it or not - JJ has made no impact on attacking backline play this year.  I think the reason is he is not a thinking player - and therefore he runs straight at the first defender and gets tackled.   He does not have the capacity to off-load balls in tackle situations  with the result that the backline does  not function as it should and there is minimal potency out wide.
He has speed - and should perhaps play on the wing.   I would say that if he gets balls in space there would be no better finisher than most and I think that outside a player like De Allende - who would put him into space - he would be a handful. 
I do think that he is not a gamebreaker and that he is not the answer at 13.     
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 May 2014, 20:32
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13 May 2014, 20:32#6

My oath Mike you really are stupid at times - I'll keep it simple......JJ plays for the Bulls, he gets very little ball to work with......if you cant work that out, may I suggest you waste your time on another subject like gardening or something to that effect.

 

The same applies to Serfontein at the Bulls......but regardless of this, one would swear by the way you are going on that JJ was alone in this department.......are you trying to tell me that Jean, de Jongh, Fredricks, Sadie, Frans, Watermeyer, Mapoe and Jordaan have been better than JJ this year......for if you do, you are even more stupid than I originally thought

 

Why is it, that you are unable to grasp the very basics? Are you actually stupid, for when we met I did not think you were dumb, but years have passed.

 

As for Twatbok, no he did not say it, he just agreed with schizo Venter's remarks.....about sums the fool up

 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 21:30
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13 May 2014, 21:30#7
duplicate
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 21:31
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13 May 2014, 21:31#8
Dejong plays for the Stormers who have been playing even more Bulls style of rugby than the Bulls have.
The Stormers are not exactly playing champagne rugby- having scoring the least tries of any team in the SuperXV over the last 3 or so years. (The Stormers sometimes go a a whole season without getting a bonus point for 4 tries in a single match).

Missiekind (Wynand Oiliver) played for the Bulls and delivered performances on a weekly basis that were better than JJ and Jan Serfontein. 
Habana and Basson.have ranked as the top try scorers of the season in SuperXV rugby while playing for the Bulls with their limited game plan.
These stats below show 2 conservative teams that play kicking rugby. Apart from Defense any monkey can see that Dejong is playing better.

3ku1
 
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May 13, 2014, 12:33:00 Stats RE JJ and De Jongh
JJ:                                  De Jongh
Tries = 1                          Tries  = 2
Points = 5                        Points = 10
Carries = 52                      Carries = 49
Metres = 201                    Metres = 240
Clean Breaks = 4               Clean Breaks = 9
Defenders Beaten = 10       Defenders Beaten = 15
Offloads = 2                     Offloads = 5
Try Assists = 0                 Try Assists = 3
Passes = 18                     Passes = 22
Open Play Kicks = 3           Open Play Kicks = 3

Carries Per Game = 5.2       Carries Per Game = 7
Metres Per Game = 16.75    Metres Per Game = 34.2
Clean Breaks Per Game = 0.3  Clean Breaks Per Game = 1.28
Defenders Beaten Per Game = 0.83 DB Per Game = 2.14
Offloads Per Game = 0.16       Offloads Per Game = 0.71
Try Assists Per Game = 0        Try Assists Per Game = 0.42
Passes Per Game = 1.5           Passes Per Game = 3.14
Open Play Kicks PG = 0.25       Open Play Kicks PG = 0.25
Tackles Per Game = 8.5           Tackles Per Game = 6.71
Tackles Success = 90.2 %        Tackle Success = 76.65 
Tackles Not Completed = 10      Tackles Not Completed = 11
Tackles Not Completed PG = 0.83 Tackles Not Completed PG = 1.57
Stats don't lie, they show that on average De Jongh is going to do more on attack then JJ, but defensively JJ is much more sound. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 21:31
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13 May 2014, 21:31#9
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 May 2014, 17:03
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14 May 2014, 17:03#11

Last I checked Moz, in minute 2, JJ breezed passed de Jongh with ease......how did that happen? de Jongh taking a nap, possibly he slipped......or better still he was not in position to make the tackle......bwhaaahaaaa.

 

 

I'll stress one more time........JJ made 14 tackles and missed 1........de Jongh made 2 tackles and missed 2........one of those misses was the very same JJ

 

 

Game, set and match  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 May 2014, 17:12
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14 May 2014, 17:12#12

Sharktwat........Olivier played 12, huge difference between 12 and 13 where JJ plays......trust you to miss that one.

 

Olivier has done no better or worse than Serfontein at 12 this year.

 

Fact is the Bulls play a very conservative game and therefore provide very little opportunity for an outside centre to attack.

 

This is evidenced week after week, where JJ is getting very little ball to work with and none of it is in structured backline play.

 

With an attacking minded gameplan.......Serfontein and JJ would thrive........none of the SA centres have shone this year for not only do we play it conservatively at the Sharks, Bulls and Stormers - tight defensive plans also reduce space and attacking opportunities.

 

Its not surprising that the Cheetahs and Lions centres have looked busier than the others, for these sides play an attacking style of rugby.......their issue is that they don't have the firepower to make a success of it, in particular the Lions.

 

Imagine JJ and Serfontein in Chiefs backline......WOW

 

 

 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
14 May 2014, 17:23
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14 May 2014, 17:23#13
 Saffex
 
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Posts: 7790RE: Bredan Venter talks Backline attack & Skill Levels of SA Players... JJ also gets a mention!
May 14, 2014, 15:12:38

Imagine JJ and Serfontein in Chiefs backline......WOW


JJ would never make the starting team of the Chiefs as an outside centre. At best he might make the bench as a wing.
Does Serfontein have the playmaking skills to make the Chiefs backline, somehow I doubt it. Serfontein is a good player, but when he has had the ball this year, he has done less with it than Missiekind Olivier
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
14 May 2014, 17:25
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14 May 2014, 17:25#14
 Olivier was primarly a 12, but he has also played at 13. I was actually comparing the performances to both Serfontein, and JJ
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 May 2014, 18:39
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14 May 2014, 18:39#15

Um Olivier played very few games at 13 for the Bulls

 

 

As for JJ and Serfontein making the Chiefs side.....that's not the point, the point is that they would thrive in that environment

 

 

 

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