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Brendan Venter .... Boks are kak

Started by bobbok...11 REPLIES761 VIEWS· 01 Dec 2018, 11:46
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
01 Dec 2018, 11:46
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01 Dec 2018, 11:46#1
Brendan Venter: Boks worse in 2018 than in 2017 10:27 29/11/2018

Cape Town - Former Springbok centre Brendan Venter says that the national side performed worse in 2018 than it did in 2017 in terms of results and transformation. 

READ: Allister Coetzee v Rassie Erasmus - What the numbers say

Venter, who served as a defensive consultant under Bok coach Allister Coetzee last year, wrote in a column for the Stuff website that the Boks in 2018 had lost more games than they did last year while they also failed to reach the transformation targets that Coetzee did in 2017. 

"The Boks under (Rassie) Erasmus scored 37 tries and conceded 38, while Coetzee's side scored 39 tries and conceded 32. Erasmus guaranteed a 45 per cent transformation rate when he set off but only achieved 38 per cent, which is worse than Coetzee who posted 40 per cent," Venter wrote.

"From a purely numbers point of view, it's undeniable that South Africa failed to make progress under Erasmus this season. As a matter of fact, they were worse off this year.

"However, because they beat the All Blacks away from home, the cracks were painted over. Statistically speaking, Erasmus performed substantially worse in his first season than Coetzee did in his second season."

Venter encouraged SA Rugby, however, to keep faith in Erasmus and he expected them to keep improving under his leadership
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
01 Dec 2018, 12:43
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01 Dec 2018, 12:43#2
That is crap. The Boks were competitive in just about every game they played in 2018.
Rassie experimented allot, unlike Coetzee who just threw crap at a wall to see what would stick. (E.g. the return of Morne Steyn). Rassie has developed first-choice players, as well as 2nd choices in each position. Many positions are settled- barring positions with limited depth _ (E.g. Delande at inside centre).
They played a dead rubber first test with a B/C team at the start of the season vs Wales, and then they fielded a B-team against England in the final test.
They were very close to beating the All Blacks 2 out of 2, albeit the first test win was somewhat fortunate. They were also close to beating England within England. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2018, 13:59
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01 Dec 2018, 13:59#3

The brand of rugby is more compatible with the personnel available and the culture of South African rugby. Rassie has chosen an identifiable core of players. Coetzee was Straeuli, continually changing the squad and creating instability because he had difficulty identifying talent. 

That said, there are issue too concerning Rassie. The turnaround in fortunes against New Zealand began last year, the Kiwi media has identified this too. So the question becomes this: are we experiencing an improvement due to coaching or boost in personnel? I think the new generation players are only beginning to emerge the last two seasons, so I'd say the greater impact is in the latter. 

We lost 4 games last year, 7 this year. So it's mathematically impossible that we have been more competitive this year. We beat Argentina twice in 2017, drew twice with a better performing Wallaby side, lost to Wales by 2 points, not 8. We got hammered by New Zealand in the first test and by Ireland. Those were the only two heavy defeats of the season. Ireland would still have hammered us this year.

In 2018 we have been beaten twice by England, twice by Wales, Argentina, New Zealand and Australia. The attacking stats are down in every category aside from tries, which the Wellington test accounts for. So, we are playing exactly the kind of game the fans have been berating for years. This year is a step down from 2017 in alot of ways, even if I disagree with the playstyle Coetzee employed. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Dec 2018, 17:26
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01 Dec 2018, 17:26#4

Sure it is mathematically possible that the Springboks played two more tests than they did last year and lost both,  and the fact is that Erasmus tried three games to get a usable squad together,  All three those games were lost.   So I am not in a rush compare 2017 and 2018 results and certainly not comparing the scores last year with this year,

Most of the losses this year were by very small margins and the games could have gone either way.   That was not in line with what happened last year when there was only one small margin loss,

Next year we have interesting comparisons, but not with 2017 -  but with 2015 as it is a WC year,  So lets see whether there will be another Japan disaster.           

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2018, 17:50
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01 Dec 2018, 17:50#5

2017 Losses:

  1. New Zealand (57) vs South Africa (0)
  2. South Africa (24) vs New Zealand (25)
  3. Ireland (38) vs South Africa (3)
  4. Wales (24) vs South Africa (22)
2018 Losses:
  1. Wales (22) vs South Africa (20)
  2. South Africa (10) vs England (25
  3. Argentina (32) vs South Africa (19)
  4. Australia (23) vs South Africa (18)
  5. South Africa (30) vs New Zealand (32)
  6. England (12) vs South Africa (11)
  7. Wales (20) vs South Africa (11)
The current Boks aren't at the level of the 2015 side. Too one dimensional, a very blunt force. 
Also, the Boks played 13 games in 2017 and 14 in 2018. The additional game being the opening test in the States. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Dec 2018, 19:32
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01 Dec 2018, 19:32#6

Disappointing from Dr Venter who typically talks sense. Like many wee ab fans here he appears to be hugely guided by the scoreboard. Sensible oaks see deeper than that. A number of close games were lost from winning positions and here the players must look at them selves. Also Rassie gave players a chance as he had to test them out and give experience so LATE in the RWC build up.

Personally i couldn't give a toss about racist quotas. Pick the best or be shown to be a rabid racist. Time for World Rugby to put their foot down about SA quotas AND ANY TALK OF QUOTAS. Sheer hypocri sy going on!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Dec 2018, 19:51
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01 Dec 2018, 19:51#7
Brendan, the de facto head coach defending his record. But unfortunately this sour man is right. On the positive side we have the win against NZ away....on the negative side we have the loss to the Bargies, and the loss in Washington to Wales. Neither year was satisfactory from a tactics point of view. We tried to play a game we couldn't play last year.....this year we played a more physical game, but failed to create a kick chase for all our kicking. HM minus the kick chase is how I would describe it. So on to next year with nothing much resolved...so far Rassie is a damp squibb tactically, although he has more perceived authority than Coetzee which shields him from criticism. We should have brought Jake back ....a turnaround specialist for a 2 year run.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2018, 19:59
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01 Dec 2018, 19:59#8

Meyer's attack was more fluid and quicker developing. We struggled for ball carriers though towards the end. Had Meyer's Boks the power of this years team in 2014 and 2015 we may be reigning World Champions. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
01 Dec 2018, 20:05
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01 Dec 2018, 20:05#9
Brendan Venter was coach for the 2nd season, and Alister Coetzee was the quota taking credit for the improvement. Much like Coetzee has done for most of his coaching career- despite his impressive CV on paper. 
Apparently, Coetzee's team is struggling in Japan...

"Coetzee's Canon Eagles have struggled in this year's Japan Top league by winning just two of seven games. They finished second from bottom in Conference B and will now go into the playoffs to determine the 9th-16th placed teams."


AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Dec 2018, 20:09
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01 Dec 2018, 20:09#10

Coetzee is an idealist who lacks application. He also can't identify talent. 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Dec 2018, 07:36
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03 Dec 2018, 07:36#11

"The brand of rugby is more compatible with the personnel available and the culture of South African rugby. Rassie has chosen an identifiable core of players."

Ummm ... Poepies???

Didn't you tell us all how much better of a coach Coetzee was to Rassie?? How he benefited so much from his predecessors ... how their discovery of players helped pave Rassie's way ... how the Boks played a far better running game under Coetzee ... blah, blah, blah ... !!!???

Remember?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaaa!!!

You should copy and past all the shit you post ... put it in some folder ... and revisit it on a regular basis ... keep it close ... refresh your memory.

LOL!!!

Dumbass!!!


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AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Dec 2018, 08:03
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03 Dec 2018, 08:03#12

I knew Herr Albie would be embarrassed, it was to be expected. Please kind sir, follow the directions of your medication to the letter this time, we don't want another episode. We are making so much progress diminishing your psychosis, and your alter, Linda, isn't much liked. 


Poor nurse Cloudy is on extended leave, and we are under staffed at present now that the season has drawn to a close. 

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