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Brilliance of the back three will win the opening Bledisloe Test; by Cam Avery the ROAR

Started by Just_win12 REPLIES168 VIEWS· 08 Aug 2014, 08:26
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Aug 2014, 08:26
#1
08 Aug 2014, 08:26#1

Saturday’s Super Rugby final quashed any notion that knock-out matches, and in particular finals, have to be conservative affairs.

Both the Waratahs and the Crusaders employed expansive game plans and it was refreshing to see both sides continue to chance their arm and move the ball with intent even as vital minutes wound down.

Although tactics are likely to change somewhat now the international rugby season is kicking off proper, expect both the All Blacks and Wallabies to throw the ball around as they utilise their ball-playing abilities to identify gaps and exploit weaknesses in the opposition defence.

Test rugby is often decided by how accurate a side is at executing under pressure. Part of this is decision-making and part is execution of basic skills. The combination of these traits is what set the All Blacks apart over the past few seasons. When faced with making a split set decision, the All Black players, no matter what number they wear on their back, will more often than not get the decision right.

Key to an expansive game plan is having players capable of finishing off the slightest sniff of an opportunity. This is where the outside backs, notably the back three, earn their wage. It’s a wingers bread and butter so to speak.

Both sides could genuinely argue that they possess the world’s top fullback at present, the Wallabies with Israel Folau and the All Blacks with Ben Smith. Both players possess pace, strength, and evasion skills which would rival Harry Houdini at his best.

The difference between the two is that Folau is guaranteed to wear the Wallaby 15 jersey, while there remains conjecture as to whether Smith will wear 14 or 15.

The Wallabies, though undoubtedly growing in stature on the back of their own seven-Test winning streak, are looking a little light on wingers, with Henry Speight still ineligible and the recent departure of Nick Cummins. Despite his top drawer form for the Waratahs in recent weeks at centre, it is expected Ewen McKenzie will name Adam Ashley-Cooper on the wing for the first Test. He is likely to be partnered by either Rob Horne or Joe Tomane – all capable wingers, but hardly likely to set the world on fire.

McKenzie will look over at his opposition with a hint of jealousy. They say three’s a crowd, well how about five? That is Steve Hansen’s conundrum when faced with selecting from Smith, Israel Dagg, Julian Savea, Cory Jane and Charlies Piutau for the opening Rugby Championship Test.

Hansen’s rubik’s cube was made a little easier during the recent English series, with Piutau forced out injured and Dagg following suit after the opening Test. Smith, Savea and Jane held the jerseys for the final two Tests, with Smith and Savea performing particularly strongly. After two abject performances in the opening two matches Jane came right in the third, reminding everyone of his class.

All Black selectors have shown time and time again selections are equally based on past deeds rather than form alone. So while Smith is the form fullback by the length of the straight, who will ultimately wear the number 15 jersey is anyone’s guess.

Julian Savea would have a claim at being the world’s premier wing. His mix of physical brawn and subtle skills makes him absolutely lethal, as his 23 tries from 22 Tests attests to.

On paper the All Black outside backs look to have the edge over their Wallaby counterparts, but with Folau in their ranks the Wallabies have a proven match winner.

It may come down to a single moment of individual brilliance and the ability of the other 12 players on each side getting the ball in their speedsters’ hands.

Either way, hold on to your seats, it’s going to be a cracker.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Aug 2014, 08:32
#2
08 Aug 2014, 08:32#2
Inconclusive article. IMO B. Smith is a more well rounded rugby player than Falou but Falou has shown (at s15 level) that he can open up and win games. I will still pick Smith at test level.
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
08 Aug 2014, 08:46
#3
08 Aug 2014, 08:46#3
 Folau is overrated imo, when he has space and time hes brilliant, but when not hes non existent.Nz teams and good defending sides like Brumbies in the semi showed the formula to contain him, and prevent him having time and space. I agree B Smith is a much more rounded player. Thats why i think Tahs winning super rugby makes a difference when it comes to the Wallabies. Those same plays well need to come together as a collective in a different environment.
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
08 Aug 2014, 09:48
#4
08 Aug 2014, 09:48#4
 I thinks its in the forwards that the Wallabies will have the issues. If we get dominated up front and the backs get no space I think we will struggle. I wouldn't say Folau is non existent when he has no time an space. Very safe under the high ball and teams think twice before kicking in his direction. Even when he is not busting things open he is always a chance to get some one else into a gap or at least keep the backs going forward. His positional play has come a long way this year though I agree he is not as well rounded as Smith. The battle of the backs will be entertaining but the Forward battle will determine the outcome. There are definite concerns there.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Aug 2014, 12:38
#5
08 Aug 2014, 12:38#5
What an amazing level on conceit in this article. Carol Jane!!! Pleeeease! Dagg has a much better boot than smith so its Dagg at fullback and Smith on the wing. Smith is okay but nothing to shout about. Savea is the oak that threatens most. Conrad carthorse is over the hill and nonu not quite the plalyer he was but still needs to be watched and thiumped in the tackle.The wobblies must just put pressure on wee cruden and he will crack up. Hooper is just the man to do that.
It's a great pity Speight will not be in the team. A wobblies back three of Folau, Speight and Ashley cooper is superior the what the wee abs have. One provisio - Foul ou actually decides to get stuck in. That is Evens big challenge.
If the Wobbiles pack gets on top wee mcaaw and bent read will have to play a tighter game - something they do not excel in. Mcaaaw seldom appears in games these days and wee read is slowing up. You all saw how JP flattened him and he had to go off.
The key oaks is not really in the back three it's in the pack. The wobblies forwards look better this year. They must lay the groundwork to beating these overrated wee abs and humbling the chest beating kbbs fans here. 
But Wobblies beating this overhyped wee abs team is one thing. Always remember how the Mighty Boks whipped you last yerar. Think of the mighty Eben and the amazing Loodt. Bissie the nemises of the abs and wee Dan in particular - the kbbs are still squealing about that great tackle. Then also watch out for the Bok backline that can cut you to threads in a moment. Witness all the tries scored.So yes by all means go and thump the wee abs but that's not even half the job.
Beeno sounding a sobre and realis tic note.   
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Aug 2014, 12:55
#6
08 Aug 2014, 12:55#6

Beeno: looks out if it & sounds the same, lol

 

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Aug 2014, 13:06
#7
08 Aug 2014, 13:06#7

Cloudy: the picture Beeno provided of himself clearly shows he is in a non-functional state. Communication at this time may prove useless.

 

 

Beeno: in Noddy land?

3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
08 Aug 2014, 13:47
#8
08 Aug 2014, 13:47#8
 Beeno are you high? Mighty Boks? Theirs nothing mighty about the boks, and dominated NZ, look up the scoreboard says 2-0 to NZ last year, SA have not beaten NZ in three years. Overhyped? Its not over hype when you can back it up like Abs have. Ill say it again NZ Declining, Oz forward pack getting better etc. All this is hear say and speculation. The wallabies have yet to play NZ, and from what i saw in the June tests, NZ looked alot better then Oz and SA. Jane is not average hes quite brilliant, has the best fend in world rugby, and B Smith average ill say it again are you high? I kno your always biast againgst NZ but B Smith is by far the form fullback of world rugby but whatever.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Aug 2014, 14:30
#9
08 Aug 2014, 14:30#9
 Nonsense Readd left the field. 
Jw you and some other kbbs are obviously not familiar as to what a sobre guy looks like!
That smiley is projecting a keen intellect soberly assssing matters. All very strange to kbbs!

3 I Q how many timea  do I have to tell you the scoreboard did not reflect the rugby played or the context - eg Roam's blunder bryce lawrence type blunder). Oh that 3 I q could have a brain transpalant - not getting another kbb of course as that would mean zip progress and be a pointless excercise.Smith the best fullback in the world. Nonsense he is not fit to tie Willie Le Roux's bootlaces. Willie is so much better on attack for a start. Try and be objective 3 I Q.
Objectivity is an abstract notion so possibley I am asking too much of you. Willie is number 1 in the world right now. You probably forgot to take Willie into your assessment. Hope that straightens you out 3 IQ.


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Aug 2014, 14:59
#10
08 Aug 2014, 14:59#10
 Beeno: willie is a brainless scatterbrained chicken with his head cut off type of player. SA think he is good because he is the only one they have who has any creativity (he lucks out once in a while  
Ps. Let's not squabble Beeno, just agree with me & everything will be squabble-free 
PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
08 Aug 2014, 15:18
#11
08 Aug 2014, 15:18#11
Beeno Willie le roux is the poor mans Ben Smith he maybe the exception in SA but in NZ he might make a 2nd division NPC team. The scoreboard is the only important record of the outcome of a game. Ask the Bok captain or coach whether they care more about the context of a game or a winning score.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
08 Aug 2014, 15:37
#12
08 Aug 2014, 15:37#12
 @beeno,

"Objectivity is an abstract notion so possibley I am asking too much of you. Willie is number 1 in the world right now"

That's a very good one, really funny
the most blind biased person on earth talking about objetivity, amazing

Le Roux plays one good game and 3 bads or average at best. He's the outside back who makes more errors in the whole Super Rugby competition (27) while Smith made 12 and Dagg 11.
What happens is , as JW says, that "SA think he is good because he is the only one they have who has any creativity". That's all
he's a good fullback and the only saffa back who can really be called a playmaker but the best fullback in the world???????? naaaaaaaaah, not ev en close
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Aug 2014, 15:39
#13
08 Aug 2014, 15:39#13

Polyboy: welcome back mate. Too few kiwis on this site lately, are you going to sign up for the Fox fanatasy rugby RC comp?

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