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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jun 2013, 13:22
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20 Jun 2013, 13:22#1

Sickening stuff as another good player leaves.

Ex Supersport

Springbok and Toyota Cheetahs flank Heinrich Brussow has joined the growing exodus of players out of South Africa after signing a contract to further his career in Japan.

The flanker, who has been ignored by the Springbok selectors over the past two years, and is currently not in Bok coach Heyneke Meyer’s plans, signed a two year contract in Japan and is due to leave after the current Vodacom Super Rugby season.

Brussow, one of the most popular players in Super Rugby, will join the likes of Andries Bekker, Fourie du Preez, Jacques Fourie and others in the Land of the rising sun.

While he declined to comment on the deal when contacted by supersport.com yesterday, Brussow did say he didn’t want it to seem like he had “sour grapes” and that his decision was because of this.

However, the move isn’t that surprising given the amount of players who are moving abroad at the moment and the desire from foreign clubs to fill their ranks with South African stars.

The move was announced in Die Volksblad, but the silver lining for those in Bloemfontein is that he will be back to play Super Rugby next season.

His Cheetahs coach Naka Drotske confirmed the move suited them, as they would otherwise have lost Brussow forever.

“I received a request to release Heinrich for the Currie Cup because he has an offer in Japan and spoke to our board of Directors. We agreed that the move may not be a bad thing as he will still play for us in Super Rugby while if he moved on 1 November to Europe then we would have lost him forever,” Drotske told supersport.com.

We are happy that we can keep him and we have already signed players like Adriaan Strauss, Coenie Oosthuizen, Lappies Labuschagne, Raymond Rhule and Hennie Daniller among others for next year’s campaign.”

The Bok flanker’s decision was probably made easier when he wasn’t included in either the Springbok training camps or the current squad for the Castle Lager Incoming Series

Now I can confidently predict ou maaaikie and snapster plus one or two others will be roasting Meyer its all meyer fault will be the bleat - you watch and see.

Folks blame it more on the poor exchange rate. Jaque Fourie was offered R20 million for two relatively easy years work.  Who would not take that sort of offer?

We are stuffed. Who next will be leaving, With their stronger currencies (Ours will weaken further by all accounts) Oz and nz are better off.

I see the Bulle lock Steenkamp is off to the Force! The rip van winkels here dont seem to realise what a problem we are facing.

It would be fun to pick an overeas Bok side to play the SA Bok side. Wonder who would win?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Jun 2013, 13:30
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20 Jun 2013, 13:30#2
Meyer is a dolt - Meyer is a dolt - Meyer is a dolt - Meyer is a dolt. I can repeat that refrain a hundred times and it will still not be enough. You will never see players he select getting really good contracts overseas - Steyn, Kirchner and Kruger perhaps being the exceptions even though they are poor on test level. The better players left out by him are sure to get easy contracts overseas. The next one to go is likely to be Labuschagne and he will indeed be a major loss. Meyer is a dolt - Meyer is a dolt ............
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
20 Jun 2013, 13:37
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20 Jun 2013, 13:37#3
He is not the first and he wont be the last! Sad, and what is worst is that we desperately need a player like him in the Bok setup.
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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
20 Jun 2013, 13:43
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20 Jun 2013, 13:43#4

mozart had a post last year i recall something to the effect that meyers age of bok coaching will lead the boks to nothing seems almost profetic right about now.

 

his reckless selections of overseas based boks have givent he green light for the local players to go overseas as there is nothing holding them in SA....well done meyer you and saru opened the floodgates

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jun 2013, 13:55
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20 Jun 2013, 13:55#5

So Bekker going to Japan where he is not elligible to play for the Boks is Meyers fault eh muncher?

Please muncher realise that when the pay differentials are too big many folk will leave regardless.

The rand is now over 15 to the pound. The guys will earn a fortune overseas. More are bound to go.A few years rugby overseas and you are set up for life. Economic man arrives at the right result. Why stay. I am amazed any stay. Live it up in Bath or Paris!  Much better than living in Bloem and pretoria. I mean even cape Town cant hold the guys here!

Up the cash incentive and they will stay. Dont and they will leave. Another factor als omightbe the horrendous palying schedule. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know your days ar numbered.

Beeno forever the realist. Muncher and co living in a dream world.

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jun 2013, 15:17
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20 Jun 2013, 15:17#6
Thanks to that useless Meyer, we have lost yet another class act. What a twat Meyer is. Hope he feels good about the way he has snubbed Brussouw. Huge loss to SA rugby
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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
20 Jun 2013, 15:24
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20 Jun 2013, 15:24#7

well beeno if you want to make use of a example like bekker then you would also need to take in account bekker's own loyalty...he is about as loyal as tom hanks frisbee in the movie castaway. his loyalities are about as thick as his wallet. sorry to say. it seems to be a general trend with stormers players being go with the flow. they are chasing the big money and as i have also said in previous posts one cannot complete with pure economics. cannot run away from it but there is still some measures that saru and the meyer could have set in place to stop this but SARU

CA
carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
20 Jun 2013, 15:35
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20 Jun 2013, 15:35#8

well beeno if you want to make use of a example like bekker then you would also need to take in account bekker's own loyalty...he is about as loyal as tom hanks frisbee in the movie castaway. his loyalities are about as thick as his wallet. sorry to say. it seems to be a general trend with stormers players being go with the flow. they are chasing the big money and as i have also said in previous posts one cannot complete with pure economics. cannot run away from it but there is still some measures that saru and the meyer could have set in place to stop this but SARU and the unions are behind the 8 ball at the most of times.

 

louw and pienaars selections has set the pre tense for all this overseas contracts being setup as there is not motivation for players staying here. get big bucks playing in a sub standard league. its easy money. players dont play as much and are not over worked. perfect enviroment for any player and i dont blame them really i dont but SA rugby suffers for it. the only golden carrot that we have to let our players stay in SA is the bok jumper.

 

with the selection of pienaar and louw SARU has green lighted the fact our players can go overseas and still be in the running for a bok jumper. i could not help but laugh when morne steyn and habana very cleverly mentioned that they are going overseas but are still open to play for the boks. just shows there mindset and the type of ideas that is running around. rugby players generally dont think to much out of the box and if there is a few that jumps ship and makes it good the rest will follow.

 

for this i lay the blame at meyers and sarus feet. they are the setting the stage and the players are doing it. in terms of the contract they have already not renewed the overseas based boks but purely to set a example pienaar and louw should not be selected at all. sorry to say. if you want to play for the boks then come back to SA.

 

the NZRU and ARU have set the rules clear to play for the AB and wallies you need to be based here and they are also suffering from player drains but by being firm that have stopped a lot of talent leaving there shores. i have no issues with players in the twilight going overseas to extend there paychecks but the trend is turning younger and younger and we will become the milking cows of the world if something is not done

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
20 Jun 2013, 18:23
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20 Jun 2013, 18:23#9
Beeno, I understand where you coming from, professional rugby is business and it is set to get bigger by time. But it sucks big time to see players leave our shores. And players are not to blame for it, there is a lot of factors. Economical issue is part of those factors, but SARU, and Meyer should be hold accountable for this IMO. I cannot recall an era (under a Bok coach) where SA lost so many high profile young players like this. It used to be for those who have reached the end of their careers.
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CheisNewbie7 posts
20 Jun 2013, 19:38
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20 Jun 2013, 19:38#10

 i blame meyer..

As a cheetahs fan, i'm gutted to see him go! But if I understand correctly, he will be back for next Super season to play for the cheetahs?

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canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
20 Jun 2013, 19:42
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20 Jun 2013, 19:42#11

While Meyer being "a dolt" is probably a reason why he's leaving, there's another really big reason you all are overlooking as well. MONEY!  Players will go where the money is. Rugby is a relatively young pro sport. Look at all the biggest pro team sports in the world. All the teams are filled with international players. It doesn't matter where the team plays, or where the players are from, the leagues with the most money will eventually have all the talent no matter where there from. It's blantantly obvious it's eventually going to happen in rugby.

 

It will take a while, but maybe one day, super rugby might not even be the best league in the world. The league where the most money is will be. Even if you don't select players for your national team playing abroad. That won't stop the guys who are really good - like Brussouw - but not good enough to make the All Blacks, or Boks teams. Those guys will leave making the league worse. Will MAYBE being selected to the Boks stop a guy from making 5 to 10 times as much money??

You will have about 25 really good to great players playing in a league with a bunch of mediocre players because all the good  players that were just not good enough for national team selection, will have left.

 

Robert Ebersohn might be next. Again, a really good player but not selected to the Bok team. If he's not selected next year I could see him going to France.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jun 2013, 20:44
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20 Jun 2013, 20:44#12

 When you are old and gray living in a one bedroomed flat and counting your every buck will you look into the cupboard at your Bok blazer and say wow I wish I had played more than 20 tests for the Boks or even 1 test. Or will you say man I wish I had taken the big bucks when I had the chance and i might be living in Constantia, with an inviting pool and beautiful surroundings etc.

Muncher loyalty is to your family first etc. 

How canned rugby concludes I am one of the all who missed the money aspect I dont know.

Cheis yours is a kneejerk reaction. I but Brussouw is going to earn a packet!

Muncher I dont see a solution to this. Rand is too weak and weakening.

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canrugbyClub Pro640 posts
20 Jun 2013, 20:58
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20 Jun 2013, 20:58#13

I "concluded" that because the conversation always seems to gravitate toward Meyer all the time.

 

Also, the point I was really trying to make was that not picking players for the Boks playing abroad will not stop players from leaving. It may slow it down a bit, but if players like Brussouw and Ebersohn, for example, don't get picked, they will leave making the SA teams weaker for it.

 

Playing for the Boks is probably at the top of these players lists of things they want to accomplish. But right beside that is reality, and the reality that you can't play rugby forever. The possibilities of retiring from Rugby and never working again are very enticing.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Jun 2013, 21:09
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20 Jun 2013, 21:09#14
Canned rugby I share exactly the same views. Guys are going to go for the boodle. Perhaps not all but most. Its simply a hard reality. It is an extremely serious threat. It appears we, because of our weak rand and quality players who do so well overseas, are the prime targets. Blaming Meyer is I believe a unfair for the mass movements we have seen.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Jun 2013, 23:54
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20 Jun 2013, 23:54#15

Beenkop are you stupid enough to conclude that Brussouw's decision to leave had nothing to do with useless Meyer snubbing him for 2 years

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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
21 Jun 2013, 00:25
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21 Jun 2013, 00:25#16

I think Heinrich's limited contribution in both the scrum and line out counted against him. Yes, some of the bigger flanks could clear him out from rucks, but he always was, and still is, a vigorous competitor for the ball on the ground.

His main opponents are Flo and Stegmann.

The biggest competition amongst the flanks is in the 7 position with players like Kolisi, Arno Botha, Coetzee and low and behold Alberts (The depth here is probably the reason why SA Rugby did not go overboard to retain CJ Stander).

Heinrich is still available for the Cheetahs for the S15 and it will only be the FS Cheetahs that will miss him in their CC campaign.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jun 2013, 00:36
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21 Jun 2013, 00:36#17

The notion that all three loosies should contribute to line-outs is the biggest load of shit I have read in ages. Same applies to his contribution in the scrums. Scrums start and end with your tightfive.

 

Meyer is a wanker for snubbing Brussouw, it was pathetic and speaks volumes for him as a coach.

 

If Meyer had any brains he would pursue CJ Stander and he is the best of the young loosies we had at out disposal. The fool should have given him a Bok cap last year

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polyboyClub Pro601 posts
21 Jun 2013, 01:15
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21 Jun 2013, 01:15#18
Though in the enemy camp, why he is being frozen out by Meyers is ludecrious. Easily in the top 5 open sides in the game and wasted in Japan.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Jun 2013, 01:30
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21 Jun 2013, 01:30#19

Snapster you loonie! Brussouw was piss poor last year and bog ordinary this year. His fetching yielded very little as the stats presented showed. His tackling was busy but lacks grunt. He is not that quick, nowhere near Deon Fourie, and there is nothing much that suggests we need him. What exactly enthralls you about Brussouw?

Louw is  just what we need at six against Samoa not some lightweight being knocked about.  The loose trio should have been Louw, Alberts at 8 and Labbers at 7.We need labbers speed, tackling and covering work. 

Other loose forwards of Bok class are Arno and Vermuelen, Deon Fourie and possibly Elstadt. CJ I heard had gone off to play for Ireland. Had he stayed he would undoubtedly have been chosen by Meyer - you forget your big argument - Meyer picks bulle, Bwahahahahahahha. CJ didnt count a Bok jersey worth the effort. Big bucks await him in Ireland. I doubt very much that meyer never discussed matters with him. He could hardly have been pleased CJ was leaving. 

Kolisi will be found out  if he plays in the rugby RC. He is not a 6 right now. He could challenge for a 7 spot but is not at the top of the pecking order. Labbers is clearly a much better player. Kolisi was poor this season and faded badly last season. 

How poor must Beast be before he gets the chop. Get with it snapster its time to move on and give young Trevor a chance. At least he works hard and doesnt fade into nothing like beast keeps doing.

Morne at loftus is a master.  You would be the first to shout if Meyer looses but dont want him to play the match winning flyhalf. Bwahhahahahaha get real snapster.

Stegman - you must be joking Blikkies!!! Stegman and Daniel have been tried and found to be not up to international standard

snapster please wake up! 

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
21 Jun 2013, 01:38
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21 Jun 2013, 01:38#20

Ah there we go, Beenkop as thick as ever.........let me guess you think Meyer is doing a good job.......but best of all is your adoration of the average Fourie, who at best is a substitute hooker. One thing he is not and that is a flanker.

 

Louw is not an opensides backside

BD
Big DaveRookie74 posts
21 Jun 2013, 02:14
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21 Jun 2013, 02:14#21

Meyer should select any quality young player about to leave South Africa and play them as Springboks Hell man make a spot for them

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
21 Jun 2013, 03:26
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21 Jun 2013, 03:26#22

We all know why Meyer will never select him. He is too small. 

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