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Bryce Lawrence’s officiating of the 2011 Rugby World Cup quarterfinal

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
21 Jul 2013, 16:25
#1
21 Jul 2013, 16:25#1

At the moment, much like the scrum, the referee’s interpretation at the ruck and tackle area is far too subjective. For example, it’s now common practice for one referee to place an emphasis on the tackler rolling away, while another official will prioritise the first arriving player on attack. And a third referee may pinpoint the arriving defender, other than the tackler, coming through the gate legally.

 

The classic case is Bryce Lawrence’s officiating of the 2011 Rugby World Cup quarterfinal.

From extensive prior analysis, we found that he awarded an average of 25 penalties per match and had a 65:35 ratio in favour of the attacking team.

Furthermore, he awarded a higher percentage of penalties at the breakdown than any other international referee at the time.

However, during the now infamous clash between South Africa and Australia, he awarded the fewest penalties any referee ever had in a Rugby World Cup match since 1987. In total, he blew for 17 penalties: 11 against the Springboks and six against the Wallabies.

In one match, his entire mechanics had changed.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
21 Jul 2013, 16:26
#2
21 Jul 2013, 16:26#2

 This analysis is from Gary Gold the Springboks forwards coach from 2008-2011

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
21 Jul 2013, 16:40
#3
21 Jul 2013, 16:40#3

 Sounds like you and Gary are finally over the loss Sharkbok. Don't know why you would call the game "infamous"? 2 poor teams had an off day....nothing special about it. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2013, 18:04
#4
21 Jul 2013, 18:04#4
After todays match - and the Chiefs - Blues one the week before - I came to he conclusion that there is something seriously amiss with the new Zealand referees. When a referee becomes the focal point in match outcomes - it shows poor refereeing and that has happened in the cases of Lawrence, Pollock and Jackson. I am not prepared to say they crooked matches - I merely think they are incompetent and not up to required standard.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
21 Jul 2013, 18:15
#5
21 Jul 2013, 18:15#5

 The only thing amiss is the result not going your way.......an alarming trait being shown by whingeing SA rugby supporters!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2013, 18:29
#6
21 Jul 2013, 18:29#6
Modaa Crap. Lawrence had a long history of poor refereeing and the final complaint about him came from Blackadder - not from SA fans. That was in the last Super 15 game he ever reffed. Pollock fouled up in a game between two New Zealand sides and in the Lions test - where no SA fans were involved. Jackson fouled up in the scrum situation where Sio constantly scrummed inwards and not binding - as such he was the person who regulated the outcome of the game - whether you like it or not. It is not the issue of which teams is involved - it is the issue of whether referees are competent or not and from what I have seen of the New Zealand referees - they are not up to standard.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
21 Jul 2013, 18:33
#7
21 Jul 2013, 18:33#7

 It is hard to understand why NewZealand referees do not make the required standard.

Given that many of the best coaches are from NewZealand, and the players themselves clearly understand the laws of the game. When NewZealand forwards get physically dominated they are clever enough to still be competitive. 

With Jackson and ex-player, it is even more surprising.

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
21 Jul 2013, 18:46
#8
21 Jul 2013, 18:46#8

old mcdonald had a farm,,,

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
21 Jul 2013, 19:20
#9
21 Jul 2013, 19:20#9

Lawrence has cost the Lions dear

Brian Moore believes New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence is not fit to officiate due to his influence on the destiny of the current British & Irish Lions tour. Read his thoughts in the Daily Telegraph.
"The man that has cost the Lions dear, in not one, but both Test games, is Bryce Lawrence, of New Zealand. We are not here talking about whether a pass was forward. His serious errors are incapable of rationalisation, save by the misapplication of the tenet that a referee is the sole arbiter of fact and law. That stipulation is intended to allow referees to be wrong, not stupid. If Lawrence, as touch judge, is incapable of linking the vileness of an act occurring two feet away and the proper sanction of a red card, he is not fit to officiate.

"No argument; no “it happened in the first minute”; it is wrong. To add to this failure has to be his other-worldly view of Phil Vickery, rammed five feet off his feet, then penalised for an illegal act in the previous Test. Does Lawrence, the referee then, know why lifting is illegal; is he familiar with hyperextension of the spine? How did 'the Beast’ curiously dominate, then capitulate? The previous week he was allowed to cheat with impunity; two days ago he was not; simple really."

Brain Moore 2009

 

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
21 Jul 2013, 21:01
#10
21 Jul 2013, 21:01#10
Spooony I believe that if a referee is determining the outcome of games - the referee is normally in the wrong with his interpretations. Bryce Lawrence has a long history of that and recently it started to show in Pollock and today in Jackson's case. There is a problem with New Zealand. New Zealand has a discredited Lawrence as head of its referee development programme. With him there - what else can one expect other than deficient referees.
SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
21 Jul 2013, 22:04
#11
21 Jul 2013, 22:04#11

I don't have a problem with Pollocl or Jackson.

 

Bryce is shit. He is only there cause his dad is Keith Lawrence. Who is sitting in a top post at the IRB which is related to the referees.  

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jul 2013, 10:13
#12
22 Jul 2013, 10:13#12

 I go back to that get the the jarpies incident. The facts are simple and borne out consistently by the evidence. Nz refs are rotten and its not simply incompetence. Why in the world should they be the most incompetent refs around. Lets call it as it is they are cheats - lest any kiwi bird brain has any doubts.

The deal is lets eliminate SA and then battle it out between Oz and nz. If anyone should complain then its whingeing becaused you lost and nobody wants to necalled a whinger so they hope to win the day arguing that. Unfortunately for then some of us couldnt care a fig about being called a whinger and demand a fair deal anmd always will.

Jackson is merely playing the game according to that understanding. Its all old hat and I wonder that anybody would think we would get a fair deal!!! Those thinking its simply that nz refs are incompetent are completely naieve and as daft as hatters.

 

 

WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
22 Jul 2013, 11:30
#13
22 Jul 2013, 11:30#13

Bweeno i would'nt call you pussies whingers.

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
22 Jul 2013, 13:14
#14
22 Jul 2013, 13:14#14

 I would S Lager.........Hasbeeno has a lot of time on his hands waiting for the Mild Zephyrs' semi this weekend. Oops, I mean the Bulls. 

WG
What's going on?Club Pro237 posts
22 Jul 2013, 13:38
#15
22 Jul 2013, 13:38#15

Clever mike you big pussy.

You are so right when you say New Zealand has a problem......far too many yarpies LOLZA

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
22 Jul 2013, 15:09
#16
22 Jul 2013, 15:09#16
with those stats the Boks get done like dinners by Australia with any ref on the planet.
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