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Bulle optimistic re future

Started by Beeno16 REPLIES153 VIEWS· 13 Jul 2014, 23:25
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Jul 2014, 23:25
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13 Jul 2014, 23:25#1

Having been subjected to back-to-back player drains over the past two seasons, the Bulls are of the opinion that the worst is behind them now.

From a time when they dominated all and sundry, the three-time champions slumped to a ninth place finish in this year’s Super Rugby competition.

It marked the worst showing since Frans Ludeke first took charge of the side in 2008 – leaving the Bulls faithful wondering whether they would be able to turn it around as they did in 2009, when they went on to claim their second crown.

Reflecting on the season, Ludeke highlighted that, on average, they fielded nine players who were competing at Super Rugby level for the first time.

The coach also pointed out that they lost several key players to injury and that their inefficiencies at the breakdown were further exposed when specialist fetchers Deon Stegmann and Dewald Potgieter were rule out of action.

While impressive at home, the Bulls failed to replicate that form on the road and will be disgusted with themselves for suffering record losses to teams they used to walk over in years gone by.

Their losses to the Cheetahs and Lions stung the most as those sides have never been able to taste success against them.

A bruised Victor Matfield said after his team’s 40-7 victory over the Melbourne Rebels that, despite all factors that contributed to their poor season, they know they could have been in the play-offs, had they won one or two more matches.

More importantly though, Matfield  spoke with confidence about the union’s future and said that the Bulls would be back to their best sooner than most people think.

While Ludeke indicated that they have plans in place to avoid further player departures, Matfield said that his job as a leader and coach will be to ensure the greater adjectives at Loftus Versfeld are understood by the next generation.

The first thing for me is selling the dream of what we are trying to do here at the Bulls and that is why we sign guys like Jan Serforntein and Handre Pollard for the next two-three years,” said the Bulls skipper.

“And then the biggest thing for the most talented players is that they want to play for the Springboks so we must show them that their best chance of realising that dream is if they play here for the Bulls. (No need to comment Mike!!)

“It is all about creating that environment where they want to be and where they can eventually play for the Springboks.”

Ludeke noted that, from a managerial perspective, it would take new initiatives to ensure players do not jump ship at the first sign of a bigger pay cheque. (Thiw will come as ashock to some oaks)

We will also look at doing dual deals where the players can return after six months – with the Japan deals that is a possibility – but at the end of the day it is going to be tough to have a big squad with experienced players and it will make it tough to keep players,” Ludeke said.

“Hopefully the economy will also change because the lure of the huge money they get overseas is hard to counter. We do have plans to make sure that we can secure some players.”

For now, the Bulls will shift their focus to the Currie Cup and Ludeke said that success will only be achieved if they have a better understanding of where things went wrong during a topsy-turvy Super Rugby season.

Fortunately for Ludeke, he will not have to worry about the conundrum Francois Hougaard has created by his sublime performance on the wing.

The regular scrum-half played superbly out wide in their last outing and – as player who is in the national squad for his exploits at nine – could again be in a position where he finds himself with a the dreaded “utility back” status stuck to his name.

“The combination really worked well for us, Hougie (Hougaard) brings a lot of energy playing there,” Ludeke noted.

He always looks for gaps and spaces and is alert on defence as well. He had a very good game tonight, but Piet (Van Zyl) also played very well and it is good to have two good halfbacks.” (Van Zyl being the better scrummie)

“His first choice is scrum-half and he played there we tried to use the squad system, but Piet picked-up an injury on tour and was out for a few games, but only time will tell what we will do. We have two great scrum-halves and we need to keep both involved.

“Both players had satisfactory seasons.”



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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
13 Jul 2014, 23:43
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13 Jul 2014, 23:43#2
Bulls have been on a continuous building stage since 2011, need to realise which players they should keep and offload the players they don't need.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2014, 07:28
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14 Jul 2014, 07:28#3
 The problem with the Bulls is their playing and coaching style.   Take for instance Jacques Potgieter and even a player like Joihann Sadie.   When playing for the Bulls they never really performed well.   When going to other franchises they showed massive improvement and Potgieter specifically said why it happened.  
The Bulls has the biggest talent pool in SA - but instead of coaching and using them properly  - they destroyed more playing careers than any other franchise in world rugby.   Send half of their talent pool to Smal or even Drotske and you will not recognise the players - they will blossom in an area where they are giben more freedom to express themselves and use their talents to best advantage.
The players valued by the Bulls - like Morne Steyn for instance - is so limited in capacity that the Club he plays for at present regards him as inadequate and not able to adjust to laying positive rugby.  That is because for years he and others have had all ball skills coached out of them.   
Players like Serfontein is  severely criticized by a lot of people - but the environment he plays in is poisoned by inadequate coaching and a seriously defective playing style.       
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jul 2014, 11:51
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14 Jul 2014, 11:51#4
 Who is the most successful domestic coach in SA right now?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2014, 12:04
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14 Jul 2014, 12:04#5
 The question is not that simple.  The issue here is with the squad at his dis[posal who id the most successful coach in SA?
*   The most talented squad   -   the Bulls*   The second most talented squad  - the Sharks *   The third most talentd squad       - the Stormers*   The 4th strongest squad             - the Lions*   the smallest squad                     -  the Cheetahs
In that equation the following are the better coaches in SA rugby:-
1  Ackerman2  Drotske3  White4  Coetzee5  Ludeke
It is not who the most successful coach is - the question should be - who makes the ebst use of talent he has at his disposal.  Who destroy most of the talent he has at his disposal?   
Those are the type of questions to be asked here.  With that in mind Ludeke wins by a hundred proverbial miles.   He is a dolt and that is a fact.   
When are you going to respond to Beeno's article dealing specifically with the Bulls?  Will tomorrow ever come?

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
14 Jul 2014, 13:01
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14 Jul 2014, 13:01#6
 I have asked you a simple straightforward question and you have embarked on another ducking and diving exercise. Not that I really expected a simple straightforward answer from you.

As far as your ducking and diving expedition goes:

"*   The most talented squad   -   the Bulls"
Really, I will remind you of this the next time we are told  how kak the Bulls forwards  are and their geriatric no 5 lock and how crap Hougaard is and their fuck ed-up centres and their geriatric quota player on the right-wing and their geriatric back-up flyhalf, etc, etc. Oh, and don't even try to say that they are crap because their coach is crap.


"1  Ackerman,2  Drotske, 3  White, 4  Coetzee, 5  Ludeke"

Really? Drotske ahead of White? The same Drotske who is now being sent abroad to learn coaching? I was going to comment on the rest of your ratings but that one blew all of the rest out of the water.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jul 2014, 14:34
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14 Jul 2014, 14:34#7
 Look Dofste Doos op aarde
I looked at the squads available to the various coaches and based my arguments on those.  The reason for the constant flops of the Bulls are the props and especially the fact that they play physical - deficient player like Matfield in their tight 5, weakening their scrumming even further.
You really are stupid - if you look at the 28 man Junior Springbok side - you find 15 of those come from the Bulls - players they have contracted early.  However, they hardly ever bring in younger players - eg Pollard and Serfontein - and when they do they expect players to donkey kick balls away Morne Steyn style.  
If the coach can come up with a proper playing style - he has the players to be tops in Super 15 or CC - but he enver really does and ten the players got blamed for fiascoes. 
The is the real problem  in  SA rugby - we have a coach with the largest available pool incapable of coaching players to handle balls properly and with Matfield as attack coach - what really do you expect from the players?
You do not understand rugby - so I suppose you miss the whole issue here as per normal.
As to Drotske - he had the worst squad of any SA squad - but still managed to beat the Sharks this year and was in the play offs last year.   In any event the only reas on why I rate Drotske higher than White is the latter's persistence with the selection of the backline play saboteur - Francois Steyn.  If that was not the case the Sharks backline would have functioned properly and he may have ended up top of the coach efficiency list.           
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