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Bulls tried to get Willie le Roux on contract

Started by clevermike17 REPLIES672 VIEWS· 23 Dec 2018, 12:40
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Dec 2018, 12:40
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23 Dec 2018, 12:40#1

However, Wasps refused to release him from his contract and they could not get him.    Why did they go for him when they have Gelant on contract?   Is Gelant too slow for their usage?


They got Hendriks to play for them next season - bad choice.   They should rather have gone for Duhan van der Merwe - maybe Edinburgh would have released their new wonderkid if they were paid enough.  

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
23 Dec 2018, 12:54
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23 Dec 2018, 12:54#2
I think Wasps lost Elliot Daily the English fullback, so looks like they have stepped in to retain Leroux.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Dec 2018, 13:24
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23 Dec 2018, 13:24#3

Bools up to their old modis operandi - buying a rugby team rather than making one.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Dec 2018, 19:43
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23 Dec 2018, 19:43#4
Meanwhile, in Coventry, Willie Le Roux’s Wasps went down to Francois Louw’s Bath by 14-24. That, despite strong prophesies of Bath for certain to be discarding of Louw after his “atrocious” performances earlier in 2018.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Dec 2018, 20:03
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23 Dec 2018, 20:03#5

Ceradunce

I watched the game  and with what Louw produced Bath is welcome to him.   By the way Carr played for Wasps at 8 -same as Louw and he was even slightly better than Louw and Carr was pretty hopeless.       

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Dec 2018, 20:23
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23 Dec 2018, 20:23#6
If you watched the game then you would have noticed that Carr was pulled after 54’ following a yellow card after 35’, while Louw saw out the full game, not so?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2018, 08:08
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24 Dec 2018, 08:08#7

Excellent - that is why I wrote that Carr in the time he did play was a lot better than Louw,   For instance Carr made 8 tackles missing none - Louw made 7 tackles missing 1.   Carr carried the ball the same number of times than Louw did and the territory gain was the same - yet Carr broke a tackle Louw never did.

So in 44 minutes playing time Carr did more than Louw did in 80 minutes - typical,      

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Dec 2018, 11:08
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24 Dec 2018, 11:08#8
So the fact that Carr was most probably one of the main reasons that Wasps lost to Bath does nothing when compared to Louw. Of course one could say that if Carr wasn’t suspended for 10 minutes..... but then again..... if your auntie had balls she would have been your uncle. In any case by your normal reasoning, Louw had to be the better no 8 because his side won the game. I’m 100% certain that if Bath lost, you would have pinned it on Louw. And just to bring you back down to earth.... Louw made 10 tackles and missed one (91% success) and Carr made 9 and missed 2 (82% success).
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2018, 13:18
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24 Dec 2018, 13:18#9

Thanks for updating.  Carr is too poor to be  Springbok - and that was proven - and in his present form Louw is the same,

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Dec 2018, 14:00
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24 Dec 2018, 14:00#10
So, what happened to your premonition, some time ago, that Louw was soon to be discarded by Bath?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
24 Dec 2018, 17:02
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24 Dec 2018, 17:02#11
Coetzee was always a high work rate player. Having him in the back row is an option, maybe off the bench. At one stage his fetching ability was improving, but then he moved to 7. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2018, 17:21
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24 Dec 2018, 17:21#12

Ceradunce

How dim can you get?   I referred to a newspaper article in which it was indicated that  there is  uncertainty whether Bath is going to renew his contract - it was no promotion of mine,

Has his contract been renewed or not?   The Clubs are beginning to hesitate about contract renewal of the older players and if they do the renewal is on a year basis,   They end up with too many passengers - Habana being an example.

Toulon is one example where they had too many elderly players and the bottom eventually fell out and they started to  struggle.   

Louw will be 34 next year and well past his prime 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2018, 17:21
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24 Dec 2018, 17:21#13

Ceradunce

How dim can you get?   I referred to a newspaper article in which it was indicated that  there is  uncertainty whether Bath is going to renew his contract - it was no promotion of mine,

Has his contract been renewed or not?   The Clubs are beginning to hesitate about contract renewal of the older players and if they do the renewal is on a year basis,   They end up with too many passengers - Habana being an example.

Toulon is one example where they had too many elderly players and the bottom eventually fell out and they started to  struggle.   

Louw will be 34 next year and well past his prime 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Dec 2018, 17:21
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24 Dec 2018, 17:21#14


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Dec 2018, 17:44
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24 Dec 2018, 17:44#15
Premonition Mike. I said premonition. No, you talked about an article and then drew your own conclusions from that article and then, within one or two subsequent posts, your conclusions suddenly became facts, as usual. The article said that Blackadder, when asked by the reporter about Louw’s return, replied that he will have to prove, like any other player, that he was fit. Your conclusion from that was that they are about to ditch him. In any case, since you are so up to speed with his agreement with Bath, here is some food for thought for you: Francois Louw's South Africa future will play part in Bath Rugby contract talks The openside flanker is in the third and final year of his contract Francois Louw’s international future will play a part in negotiations for a new contract with Bath Rugby. The flanker’s current three-year deal comes to end next summer. When Somerset Live spoke to the 33-year-old in mid-October, the club hadn’t made him an offer. Since then, there has been dialogue between the two parties. Louw joined from the Stormers in 2011 and his game time for the club has been restricted by international duty and, on occasion, injury. He wants to play for South Africa at the World Cup in Japan next autumn. After that, by which time he will be 34, whether he retires from internationals or not could have a bearing on whether one of the highest paid players at the club remains a Bath player. “I’m sure that would have a bearing on renegotiation because the way the seasons are structured it doesn’t work,” Louw said. “You should have the best guys available for the top league, which is the Premiership. I don’t want to make any announcements just yet. "My focus right now is this season with the club. Obviously, I’d love to go to the World Cup if the opportunity came up. "I’ll try to be in my best shape and give them a reason to include me in that squad, but I think that will have to be a call I make then, in terms of my future.” Of the talks he’s had with the club thus far, he added: “At this stage, nothing’s progressed. Hopefully, it will. I’d be delighted to stay, if possible.” Louw is married with children and has gone on record saying how settled he is in Bath. Normally an openside, Louw played blindside in the 7-7 draw with Sale Sharks last weekend, with Sam Underhill at seven. https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/sport/other-sport/francois-louw-bath-south-africa-2301741 So, by all accounts the ball is pretty much in Louw’s court as to whether he remains with Bath or not. I trust that the above will give you some clarity about your question about whether his contract has been renewed or not. Although I do not have much hope that you will not draw a few more crazy conclusions.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Dec 2018, 03:57
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25 Dec 2018, 03:57#16

Ceradunce

Thanks - but there are two problems  with that discussion.   First of all Louw was no real asset for the Springboks when he did play for them this year and the idea that he is an automatic selection is not real. He is also not that much an option at 6 - in the last two games he played at 8 for Bath.

At 34 there is no real future for him as a player - even though Mozart and apparently you rate age and reputation without regard to performance as an option.   He is on the way out.       

     

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Dec 2018, 12:56
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25 Dec 2018, 12:56#17
You are sidestepping the issue again. I wasn’t questioning his age or his “performance” or his or where Bath was playing him or his aunty’s cat or his Ouma’s dentures or the colour of his uncle’s underpants. I asked for your comments on your suggestion, earlier this year that Louw’s days at Bath were numbered. Actually, you started off with having a go at the Bulls again and I replied with a little dig at you with a tongue in cheek mentioned of Louw. Being your usual gullible self, you swallowed it hook line and sinker and went of on your merry way of trying to prove the unprovable. Had it been me who responded to your baiting exercise, you would have said that I went ballistic. Merry Christmas.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
31 Dec 2018, 06:55
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31 Dec 2018, 06:55#18

The Bulls have lost the plot altogether.

Signing up the elderly an spent force that is Vermeulen ... the utterly useless Schalk Brits ... and now they want the brain farting wizard Willie Le Roux.

Wow!!!

It's going to be another long season for these boys.



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