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Can the Boks beat New Zealand to end their run of 28 unbeaten tests at home

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
08 Sept 2013, 04:20
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08 Sept 2013, 04:20#1

 Saw this on Sky and it is an amazing record- The AllBlacks have not lost their last 28 games at home!

29th unlucky, hopefully!

 

Last years game where Morne missed most of his penalties at goal must have been one of the closer wins, so hoepfully the Boks can built on last years performance.

 

PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
08 Sept 2013, 04:31
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08 Sept 2013, 04:31#2
no.....like most teams that grow an extra leg when they play the AB. AB step it up a level against the BOK there our biggest threat always have been. The intensity goes up. Especially at Eden Park.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
08 Sept 2013, 04:35
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08 Sept 2013, 04:35#3

@Papamoa

 

Eden Park will be massive as it is allmost a century since the Boks have won at the Fortress of NewZealand rugby. 

 

This could also be another carrot that motivates the Boks and creates a low risk no lose situation, as the Boks have just done the same in Australia

-although the Wallabies at their fortress were a smaller carrot. 

 

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
08 Sept 2013, 04:51
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08 Sept 2013, 04:51#4

 Hopefully this is our year of breaking the hoodoo's...We have just done it at Suncorp (a much less scary challenge) now hopefully we get the one every Bok suporter wants. AB scalp in NZL. Especially Eden Park ;-)

 

Awesome to see Papamoa talk about the Boks being the AB's biggest threat. Many Kiwi supporters "raak" us up by saying it is the Aussies but when interviewed, Graham Henry confirmed that it is the Boks scalp that means the most simply because it takes a lot more to get. Years of history between the two. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
08 Sept 2013, 08:15
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08 Sept 2013, 08:15#5

Can the Boks beat New Zealand to end their run of 28 unbeaten tests at home???
no.
awesome effort to get thier first win at suncorp, but All Blacks in NZ are a different kettle fo fish all together.
step 1 for the Boks will be to replicate what they did against the wallabies
step 2 is out of their hands, they have to hope the All Blacks dont gain parity
if this happens next week, it could be an epic rumble, but im expecting the All Blacks to come through like they almost always do.

@boklogic,
graham henry dosent speak fro all NZers, he grew up in era where the Boks had better reputation as a rugby super power.
majority of the folks these days grew up in an era where the Boks were banned for having such filthy segregation policies and the All Blacks wallabies rivalry grew from this.

so most of us know what the wallabies can really do, in the professional era the wallabies have hurt us more knockin us out of the 2003 RWC semis, thier beldisloe run bewteen 98-02, thier hong kong win in 2010 which ruined the All Blacks undefeated 2010 season, and they did it again last year eneding NZ winning streak.

thats not to say the Boks havent had their share of being a thorn in our sides, but not to the extent the wallabies have.

in saying that the Boks are the better rivals, SA is the only place in the world where the All Blacks dosent have a superior record then the home team.
44 tests - Boks 24 - All Blacks 19 - draw 1
so its hard not to see them as the rivalry, but the bledisloe is the No1 cup outside of the RWC and even though the wallys havent touched it in yonks, thats still too soon for my liking.

BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
08 Sept 2013, 08:30
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08 Sept 2013, 08:30#6

 Sasuke, excuse my ignorance if I would rather take what a rugby man like Graham Henry who has had to coach the team has to say about the Boks over a bloke commenting on a rugby forum. You keep telling yourself the Wallabies are more feared.

Hell, if that was the case, why do we have some nervousness now but we heard nothing about the AB's losing to the Wallabies this year. It was all about how large the winning margin will be.

Your problem is it kills you to say any kind words about the Boks. We dont mind that though. Afterall, you are on a Bok website taking digs. Your biggest nightmare aren't we Sas?

PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
08 Sept 2013, 13:21
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08 Sept 2013, 13:21#7
AB have huge respect for the boks. It is never easy. They will throw everything into this test. For RC points but more importantly AB like records and they intend to extend there winning rate. It is good for AB to lose from time to time but wont be at Eden Park. Good luck Boks
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
08 Sept 2013, 13:47
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08 Sept 2013, 13:47#8

It wouldn't surprise me if the Ozzie media unwittingly motivated the Boks by carrying on about their poor record at fortress Suncorp stadium. All week they bleated about the Boks not winning in Brisbane since the year dot.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Sept 2013, 15:29
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08 Sept 2013, 15:29#9
I do not believe that history is necessarily a barometer in dealing with result outcomes. Everyone seems o be in euphoria about the Springboks win yesterday - and so am I - but against the AB's it will be a different kettle of fish altogether. The match really was to an extent very level until the three tries of the Springboks and one has to look at what can make a difference against the All Bllacks and where were we in fact not really up to standard - bearing in mind that the All Blacks are unlikely to allow the Springboks to score soft tries. In essence there are problems which could lead to a problem for the Springboks. These include - * the line out situation where the only effective line-out player was Etzebeth (8 line-out takes) - all of Vermeulen, Van der Merwe and Kruger took three line out balls - whih in effect means that the rolling maul will not be a weapon for the Springboks. * the giving away of penalties - between Van der Merwe and the loosies they gave away 6 penalties - while Alberts also got yellow-carded; * despite the approbation there was a number of very ineffective and aimless kicks by both Steyn and Pienaar - which the Wallabies did not maximise - so all is not that rosy in that Department either. I think that it will be an interesting encounter - but I cannot see how the Springboks can win the game. They will have one only major weapon and that is in scrumming. Since we have such limitte line-out options the rolling maul will not work. I believe the outcome would be tight - but it is likely an AB win by 7+ points.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Sept 2013, 15:32
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08 Sept 2013, 15:32#10
Stop predicting OOM....haven't you got enough egg on your face?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Sept 2013, 15:48
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08 Sept 2013, 15:48#11
Mozart You ignorant old fool - you yourself gave the Sprinbgboks a 25% chance of winning yesterday and - even though normally you are too big a coward to make any predictions before any game - you yourself predicted a Wallaby win by 5 points. I would rather have egg on my face - than being a coward like you.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Sept 2013, 15:52
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08 Sept 2013, 15:52#12
On the contrary I never predicted a Wallaby win by 5 points But my "fighting chance", which was one of the more positive positions was too pessimistic, and I fessed up after the game.....what did you do, crawl into a bottle?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Sept 2013, 15:55
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08 Sept 2013, 15:55#13

The confessional is in the topic: "For the record...". We all have to go there sometime, lol

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
08 Sept 2013, 17:54
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08 Sept 2013, 17:54#14

* the line out situation where the only effective line-out player was Etzebeth (8 line-out takes) - all of Vermeulen, Van der Merwe and Kruger took three line out balls

 

To win a line-out baal on your own throw, the hooker has to throw the ball at you. The hooker, of course, do not decside on his own where the throw should go.

XT
XtramickClub Pro103 posts
08 Sept 2013, 18:05
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08 Sept 2013, 18:05#15
A 7 point margin is a respectable prediction. Looking at form over the past 12 months or so I would say it is reasonable to expect a defeat by 10 to 15 points. That is by no means a heavy defeat and will usually come down to 2 or 3 opportunities taken. If we are the ones who use our opportunities then we can more likely convert our pressure in to points if that is how the game develops. I must that that repeating the penalty count, the half-back kicking and the without context lineout stats on each thread is not convincing anyone.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
08 Sept 2013, 19:22
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08 Sept 2013, 19:22#16

Good to see some confidence restored for @ least some of the Boks supporters. the usual pickering continues though  but what would we do without it :)

Glad you have a credible win to restore some confidence but don't get carried away - beat the All Blacks? To answer the question , ie "can you ?" My answer is statisticslly anything is possible but if the question is will you then the anwer is no, lolBoks played well against the weak Oz side  but evrrything went right for the Boks and Oz was still in the game until fthe last quarter, if a few things had gonr right for Oz in the last quarter, well who knows. My point is "taking into account the butterfly effect" , in any game a few plays going the other way could result in a very different outcome :) so stay humble like your coach says. wearein for a good game my fellow rugby fanatics!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
09 Sept 2013, 07:18
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09 Sept 2013, 07:18#17
I think the Boks can beat the ABs this weekend. With McCaw now out only helps their chances.... The big difference is that the kiwis wont just drop the ball and knock on and get the fundamentals wrong - their execution is always 95%+ so will hopefully be close contest - but definitely yes they are in with big chance.... Bok pack need to replicate that effort less the yellow - too lets hope refs don't ruin the show....... on that note commendation to Clancy I think he did a more than fair job....
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
09 Sept 2013, 07:45
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09 Sept 2013, 07:45#18

Just_win, you are very right. Had things gone right for Oz in the last quarter, who knows.

 

Just like had things gone right for Oz in Wellington (Like a penalty try awarded when Aaron Smith decided to sleep on top of Lealifano, or when Read decided to loiter offside and prevent the ball going wide or when Conrad Smith was almost part of the Oz backline to force the attackers back inside and prevent a try out wide and all of these in the "red" zone) maybe things would have been very different then too hey.

 

Lets not call it a weak Aussie team because they did most the playing against the AB's a few weeks ago. A culmination of some dodgy moves by the AB defence and a misfiring Aussie attack is the only reason they lost in Wellington.

 

We will take big wraps out of that game. This AB team is a good team but they not this mean machine Kiwi's make out. Aussie and Boks just lack the belief. Hopefully the Boks have that belief after a pretty good game 1 against Argies and an even better game against Aus. Not size, not skill, not coaching, not anything else but belief is what we lack in previous years.

PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
09 Sept 2013, 13:26
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09 Sept 2013, 13:26#19
The Springboks will be extremely confident after a convincing win against the Wallabies. Lets face it this SA team is looking and evolving into a great team far better than anything ive seen for a few years. The AB must match that or they will go down. The Bok tight five is looking very tough and organised with depth. With the core going well the loose team gets on the front foot. That makes it very tough for the AB. This will be the biggest challenge for the All Blacks that I have seen for some time. With the SA coach showing a lot of passion and enthusiasm that must trickle down threw the rest of the team. They look settled and prepared. AB must attack there rucks and mauls with far more aggression and ruthlessness if they want any chance to succeed.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
09 Sept 2013, 13:28
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09 Sept 2013, 13:28#20
The Springboks will be extremely confident after a convincing win against the Wallabies. Lets face it this SA team is looking and evolving into a great team far better than anything ive seen for a few years. The AB must match that or they will go down. The Bok tight five is looking very tough and organised with depth. With the core going well the loose team gets on the front foot. That makes it very tough for the AB. This will be the biggest challenge for the All Blacks that I have seen for some time. With the SA coach showing a lot of passion and enthusiasm that must trickle down threw the rest of the team. They look settled and prepared. AB must attack there rucks and mauls with far more aggression and ruthlessness if they want any chance to succeed.
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