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Can we escape the route of death on route to World Cup finals

Started by kingcorn7 REPLIES837 VIEWS· 26 Sept 2022, 10:59
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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
26 Sept 2022, 10:59
#1
26 Sept 2022, 10:59#1

I still don't get it why world rugby decide to seed teams 2 years before the World Cup. I think they try to keep the first 2 years competitive because teams would need to get the right seeding, but we are seeing now is that teams still experimenting and trying to find their feet. Eddie did it last year by bringing in young talent. Australia have been sifting through old and well past their best Ausie players. 


The only two teams that have been focussed and building momentum are France and Ireland. We have seen it in the passed where certain teams peak between world cups but I don't think this is the case. France only concern is what if Du Pont gets injured. The same can be said of Ireland and whether Sexton can hang in there for another 12 months. 


Looking at our draw. We have Ireland in our pool and New Zealand and and France in the other. There is no escape this time like we did in the last World Cup when Japan sprung a surprise and won their group. Ireland and Scotland could not keep up with the frantic pace of the Japs. We had Japan in the quarters, Whales in the Semi final and a pap England after playing their best game under Eddie against NZ. 


This time, whether we beat Ireland or not. We either face France or New Zealand. 


We lost the mental edge over NZ by imploding at Ellis Park against them. So coming up against them in a quarter final won't save us. 


I have no idea how we will do against Ireland. I know that our URC teams, the bulls and stormers managed to beat those Irish top teams in Ulster and Leinster full of Ireland stars. However, none of the SA players from the bulls and stormers really feature for the boks nor do the boks use the same tactics and game management of the Stormers and Bulls. Both those teams know when to be physical and when to use their superiour strike power at the backs. The likes of Libbok and Arendse might be on the light side, but they have turned games on their head. Then you have the speed and physicality of Roos who can eat up meters or just bash the door down. Coetzee is workmanlike in the tight, taking the hits with great off loads to build momentum. Then we have Louw who is just a hard beast that just work his way over the advantage line. The stormers do have Kitshoff and Malherbe the world best scrummagers. 


The the spine of Libbok, Willemse and Galant really brought out great attacking. Not to mention the unsung hero Dyamani with seering pace for a guy that looks like he cant bent his knees and running on stilts. 


This bring me to my next point. What dufaq, has the coaches been doing over the last 9 games. Moody was the big surprise. Hendrikse has excelled, but only at kicking and controlling the break down. His speed off the base for me is too slow. That is where we could bring in a guy like Zack Burger who can speed up the game when we need to up the tempo and a guy like Hendrikse that can control the game and fantastic at taking the pressure off. 


The final run in and coming up next. 


We have Ireland 1st up, followed by France, then Italy and finally England. It has been a long season for the boks. The likes of Kittshof have been playing non stop and will be going back to the URC for 4 weeks before going on a gruelling tour. Not sure whether they should be playing, probably should be rested over the next 4 weeks and then eased in. 


What will the 3 blind mice come up with this time and who will they pick. We all know that it won't be the combination of the bulls and stormers, sprinkled with sharks as well as the outstanding foreign players that have put up their hands. 


But, some players need to be dropped ASAP out of the bok squad. 

The boks game plan also needs updating and maybe some masterclasses from Dobbo and White may help. 


But the boks need to get rid of Stick and either bring back Swys or who ever is working wonders with the Stormers backline. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Sept 2022, 13:20
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26 Sept 2022, 13:20#2

The likes of Kittshof have been playing non stop and will be going back to the URC for 4 weeks before going on a gruelling tour. Not sure whether they should be playing, probably should be rested over the next 4 weeks and then eased in.


Oh no. Unbelievable. Was he not part of the players who can be fielded 70 minutes, match in match out.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 13:34
#3
26 Sept 2022, 13:34#3

Sure we have been better than Meyer was in 2014 and that was not according to you the route of death and you wrote similar BS in 2018 about the route of death in 2019.   Do you ever learn to not make a fool of yourself on site?   

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:21
#4
26 Sept 2022, 15:21#4

Mike, all my fears are valid. Ireland was up there last time but they crumbled last time in the WC. We lost to NZ in the pool. If Ireland were on form, it could have been a knock-out in the quarters. 

But I think we have a far tougher road this time around given that the top 4 teams are in the same path to the World Cup final. 

Which means, out of France, Ireland, NZ and SA. Only one team has the chance to make the final. 

Where as England and Australia has an easier route to the semi's and finals. 

Well, will have to see in 6 weeks who gets picked for the tour, how do we perform and then will cast my final judgement

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:41
#5
26 Sept 2022, 15:41#5

So why make assumptions and allegations now?   I have reservations about team selection at present as well and hope the EOYT selectio0ns will show some improvements,   Vermeulen and Steyn should be sent packing and so should Mostert whose contribution in the 2019 WC was a disaster.

A number of other selections are also problematic - for instance the flyhalf situation.   Take for instance France - who had problems in flyhalf selection in 2019 and picked a star Under 20 player as their flyhalf - he was the best New Player in the world as a result and is still a regular in the French team.   We may have to go that route - since the flyhalf cupboard is near to empty,

What I have seen thus far this year was a deficiency in flyhalf selection and availability - hope that is rectified in the EOYT selections.    Pollard has deteriorated badly lately, Janthies is shit, Goosen is always injured and Willemse is still early in the learning process at flyhalf.   In the tests this year Willemse was by some distance the best-performing flyhalf of the players in tests.   That to my mind is the main worry since Willemse is also our only inside center back-up.                       

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
26 Sept 2022, 15:53
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26 Sept 2022, 15:53#6

You guys shouldn't be too upset.

Your last draw guaranteed you a spot in the final. All you had to do was hope England had a shocker and the trophy was yours.

This time you will have to work for it 

So if Ireland thump you and Scotland get n upset over your current squad of quotas ... it would mean that you guys go out in the pool stages.

Damn ... isn't that something to look forward to!!!

Gooooooooooooo Scotland!!!



KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
26 Sept 2022, 16:27
#7
26 Sept 2022, 16:27#7

Heaven forbid, I never want our team to be knocked early, no matter who is the coach. That would be something to go from Hero to Zero. But that is also my point. If any team win the World Cup coming from Pool A and B, then they bloody well deserved it. 

They should have made the draw this December and have an decent points system that allow all teams to compete for a "Proper" no 1 ranking and get seeded accordingly. Based on current rankings, the pool would look completely different. 

  1. Ireland
  2. France
  3. South Africa
  4. New Zealand
  5. England
  6. Scotland
  7. Whales 
  8. Argetina
  9. Australia
  10. Japan
But I don't Whales is better than Australia or Argentina. Scotland is the tricky one. 
But if we used a seeding system then the draw would look completely different. 
Pool A: Ireland, ArgentinaPool B: France, WhalesPool C: South Africa, Scotland, JapanPool D: New Zealand, England, Australia
But then again, pool D would have been the group of death. 
So it proves my point that the current fixture list between tournaments are a farce and the seeding isn't reflective. Having a more competitive fixture system where every match counts would mean that will stop seeing these stupid matches were teams send over weak teams or do what the boks did against Whales 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
27 Sept 2022, 12:51
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27 Sept 2022, 12:51#8

Fixtures are sold in advance. People buy theirs tickets accordingly.

Encounters must be known in advance and encounters distributed to each locations (that somewhat bid for encounters that are perceived as more or less profitable)

Seeding two years in advance is mandatory to organize properly.

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