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Carriza on the Bajada scrum

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:40
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29 Aug 2014, 07:40#1

Sport24 asked: Tell us about Argentina’s famed Bajada technique at scrum time and why you believe an experienced Springbok pack struggled to live with their hosts at the set-phase?

Manuel Carizza: The literal translation of Bajada from Spanish to English means “to go low.” I believe that the relatively new scrum laws favour this particular technique, because after the hit there is a moment to get the scrum stable and then the Pumas pack push together and with pressure. In my opinion, scrummaging as a collective eight-man unit improves the timing and force of the impact.




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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 08:15
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29 Aug 2014, 08:15#2
 Bery lofical comments and it shows weaknesses int eh Springbok scrumming that is there for all to see.   First of all - I have never seen a Springbok scrum in full flight backwards ever before.  The Argentiniand technique makes for a strong scrumming effort - but the Springbok props let uus down.  They could nott ake the pressure from the Argentinians and from their own second row and popped up too many times. 
One would have to see how the AB's and Aussies handle the situation - but I suspect that they would not be in full flight as we were.  
 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Aug 2014, 12:58
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29 Aug 2014, 12:58#3

They also spoke of a breathing technique they use and they seem to have a call to unite the scrum before the engage.

 

The Argies scrum has come back into its own after being less dominant than in the past over the past two seasons. They seem to have found a rock in their tighthead and the lad that was meant to post on this site is a monster of a lock  

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 13:12
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29 Aug 2014, 13:12#4
 i put that down to improved conditioning and more time in pro leagues. the argie scrum has always been a threat though i think they just sometimes switch off if they got nothing to play for. so they usually play their best rugby at the start of the comp when they looking for that first scalp. i really hope they down aussies when they meet just worried their out of gas by then which would suck!

also the bajada is about concentrating the pushing power through their hooker so our tighthead being on the inside would be under major pressure id imagine. i think the bajada pretty much exposed the weak point of our scrum which was the tighthead so i dont think our scrum will do that bad against everyone else to be honest. but we are a bit backward in our scrumming all about size and trying to concentrate that weight on the hit. we dont train scrumming properly and i dont think we have the expertise in the country, i dunno maybe 50 years ago yeah but not now not for a really long time.

mika we've had scrums destroyed for most of the past 14 years. its happened against scotland wales, argentina, france ,england, new zealand and hell even australia!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
29 Aug 2014, 13:57
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29 Aug 2014, 13:57#5
 The Arg Bajada scrum is an old thing. It has been around for years and like Carriza has said, the new laws are excellent for the reintroduction of it. To get it perfected again just took a bit of time.

An article of two years ago. Take note: Two years.

The return of the Bajada Thu, 16 Aug 2012 19:50


In years gone by Argentina were scary when it came to scrum time.

That this generation of Los Pumas  front row forwards heading into the inaugural Rugby Championship speaks of the need to rediscover the old strength and respect in the scrum is a clear indication they are admitting their scrum in the past few years has not been the feared weapon it once was.

"For us the scrum is very important," Pumas coach Santiago Phelan said.

"We have to keep on working hard on that aspect of our game ... we can't say we are the best.

"We are still working hard to try and improve our scrum a lot.

"It is nice that other coaches think Argentina has a strong scrum, but in reality we know we still need to improve that aspect of our game and we are working very hard for that to be the best part of the Argentinian team."

So what is the famous Bajada (Puma scrum)?

The most obvious characteristic of the Bajada is that second row forwards bind with their external arms around the prop's hip rather than between their legs.

But one defining characteristic of the method is that all the power is directed into the hooker, in other words they scrum along an imaginary arrow drawn pointing inwards from either side of the No.8, which means all the power is directed towards the hooker.

The other defining characteristic is the 'empuje coordinado' or 'coordinated push'.


The scrumhalf gives a three part call after the 'engage'. On 'pressure' all members of the pack tighten their binds and fill their lungs with air. On the call 'one' everyone sinks; the legs at this point should be at 90 degrees. On 'two' the pack comes straight forward while violently expelling the air from their lungs. A key note is that nobody moves their feet until forward momentum is established. If the first drive is insufficient the scrumhalf begins the call again and the opposing pack is usually caught off guard and pushed back.


We were not the first ones who faced it. We won't be the last. Hopefully, for the ABs and Aus, they have taken note and are working on a counter. Otherwise...............

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 14:08
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29 Aug 2014, 14:08#6
 filling the lungs with air yeah i heard about that in powerlifting the valsalva technique. by filling byour lungs with air you create support for your spine under pressure and increase your power. the exhaling in unison i suppose helps that burst of power. my dad was a big time lifter he told me that it can be dangerous and not really worth it unless you are a pro lifter fighting for every scrap of performance. i dunno what the health concerns could be for scrumming, i dont think its as severe as a 300kg squat or 400kg deadlift hahahaha! yeah you could crap your spleen out or urst eyeballs hahaha! so yeah i never tried any of that crazy shizzle.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 16:28
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29 Aug 2014, 16:28#7

I'm guessing the old "engage" where you had a power hit negated a lot of this. When you are struggling to keep straight or hold your position, it's hard to deliver this one pulse it seemed to me the Bargies were delivering.

 

I find it very interesting that nobody moves their feet until momentum is delivered. If you look at the Bok scrum at the critical moment  several feet were probably in the air trying to go forward. If we simply set our guys with their feet well dug in, their superior weight set forward....maybe we could have negated this.

 

It looks like we set too high, sh uffled too much and thought the scrums were over too soon. All things that should have been anticipated.

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