Centres are the Lions weakness

Agree with you on the center issue. 

Vorster also butchered an overlap (3 on 1) if I remember correctly with a dink through.

Schoeman is like a pinball or the proverbial bull in a China shop but how long before he picks up an injury. Seems like he's playing on adrenaline and/or cocaine. 

Alot of what Kwagga and to be fair most of the lions players do is stay strong on their feet and fight to break the tackle. Coetzee and Cronje had some success with this as well as the props and Marx.

Sadly South Africa doesn't have one Super or test worthy centre. It can be circumvented, but that's a hell of an Achilles heel to carry. 

Kwagga should play in midfield.

Are Beeno and I still the only ones that think this?

He should play there for the Boks too. Guy makes this things happen and those are the types of players that you want to feed as much ball as possible, right?

Has pace, solid as hell on defence, master at slipping tackles and isn't greedy IE knows when to pass. 

I'd have Serfontein outside him for the Boks and Mapoe for the Lions.

How Kwagga hasn't been snapped up by an EU team yet is a mystery. 

All the Lions can hope for this coming weekend is the reverse of what happened in last year's final. 

Dyanti showing again how a player that isn't lazy is able to chase down a kick. Gets better every week. Where are the Lions finding these players? Someone there has a good eye because the list of quality players emerging from there is getting pretty long.

I was hoping to see more of Dayimani those season. Holding thumbs for him for next year though.

Jantjies yet again sees his team into the final. Poor guy. Unless he produces some magic in the RC that'll probably be tickets for any higher aspirations he had. Really gutted for him.

Not a bad result for the Lions considering all the lost players, injuries and Akkers move to the UK.

Guess they answered the question of whether they'd fal l apart after Akkerman left.

I term of Kwagge, switching between forward and back is a HUGE gamble. Kwagge has the mindset of a froward, which means he is likely to be out of position more often than not. However, his size is more that of a back and his skills definitely suit a back. It will take quite a while for a player to adapt, because he needs to change his complete mindset. When you force that (when not used to it), it takes time and your play is unnatural.

If however you allow him the freedom, as a roaming back later in the game, the structure and the pressure is a little less. The fraction of a second lost in decision-making processes are made up for by a tiring opposition. In that case it might work...

So, I would consider the possibility of using him there, not as a starter, but as a true "impact player".

I am not very enthusiastic about positional shifts. I think we do this too often and our coaches don't even have a plan in place to fast track that process. It looks like they just throw a body in a different numbered jersey and say "Good luck". The Boks are crying out for specialists all over the field. 

Beeno, centre and flank are entirely different. Like The Truth said, he has a certain mentality, that isn't going to be easy to break. Having the bare bones skills isn't enough. Technically Big Joe could have been a centre too. What about Skinstad? We have enough problems trying to use players who have played centre their whole career, we don't need more projects. 

Do SA coaches play more players out position than other coaches around the world?

I don't know the answer to that question but it appears that there are some who think so.

One the one hand we believe our coaches to be more conservative and behind the times than anyone else but then by the same token they adopt loosey goosey approach when it comes to playing guys out of position. But of a contradiction, no?

Kwagga has the guile required to play in midfield. If we want solid defender and gain line winner in midfield then he is the man for the job. 

We have bigger and better loosies available at the Lions and the Boks. If Kwagga were 10cm taller and weighed 20kgs more, he'd start every game for the Boks. That's the sad reality genetics. 

I'd say that Kwagga is already playing out of position. He has been for years.

Just because some poor calls have been made in the past doesn't mean that every player playing in a certain position right now should play exclusively in that position until the end of time.

Not disagreeing just for the sake of it but I don't think He should be used as an impact player either.

It makes no sense to give the most skillful players less time on the field. It's why the best batters bat up the order.

@SB

I agree. He(Voster ) seems to have lost a lot of mobility. 

Hope he gets back to at least par next year.

I don't think they are conservative at all. But they don't have good enough analytical skills to assess the trends they try to mimic. They can't even determine when a player is playing badly. Mvovo botched every high ball man years ago, conceded a game changing try and he got off Scott free. Damian conceded three tries against Australia a few years ago, got away with the whole thing! We don't have influential people in the game who can see what the heck is going on! And when someone does, they get booted and end up abroad sowing into our rivals game. Sad state affairs. 

About players out of position, we have wings at 9, fullbacks at centre, wings at centre. Fullbacks at 10. Those are some of the common ones. If a guy can run, he is a centre. But not a passer. If a guy can kick or run, he must be a 10. Sort of like Ruan at 10, which worked in principle but failed. JP at centre was another. So too Kriel. It's a big mess. 

@ Lurker 

Hasn't it been a long-standing  criticism of SA coaches that the "Kick from red territory" conservative game plan was all they could and would do?

You see my confusion?

Belated welcome to the board btw guy.

Been enjoying your posts during what has been a busy time for me where I've not been able to post as much as I'd like.

Lurker/aka Card,  Kwagga is a sevens player and spends his time running like a back!!!! He has the mentality of a back and shines when he runs and plays like a back. So he has some fetcher skills well so did De Wet Barry.

its nonsense to say kwagga has a forwards mentality and couldn't play where his natural game lies. He is a pure born backline player no question about it. Given his vision and passing skills he could transform the Bok backline if played at 13. Watch our wings score a fistfull of tries,

Quite frankly I am surprised to see how long rugby in the NSA has remained internationally competitive, despite the lack of real transformation in the sport. Transformation in Rugby must be accelerated for the sport to be truly supported by the majority. Only then will we have a winning team again. My point will be made when the Crusaders give the best South Africa has to offer a solid hiding this weekend. Radical transformation of our national sport is as important (and inevitable) as the land reform that lies ahead.

As to Kwagga playing in the midfield - A very good idea, however we have midfielders who are both good, and black. In view of the injustices of the past and the interests of the nation, they should be given the opportunity to shine for SA. It's not about winning again immediately after all, and loyal South Africans understand this. Nation-building is far more important. We may have to live with a few losses over the next few years, but the longer term transformational effects on the greater societal level are what we're after.

Beeno, don't you ever learn? How many times do we have to hear the same sad old tune?

1. Lambie will transform the backline
2. Hougaard will transform the backline
3. Pretorius will transform the backline
4. Ruan (10) will transform the backline
5. Brent will transform the backline
6. Damian will transform the backline
7. Jantjies will transform the backline
8. Jantjes will transform the backline
9. Gaffie will transform the backline
10. Julies will transform the backline
11. Mapoe will transform the backline
12. Rose will transform the backline
13. Mvovo will transform the backline
14. JJ will transform the backline
15. Goosen will transform the backline
16. Taute will transform the backline
17. Basson will transform the backline
18. Van Den Heever will transform the backline
19. Serfontein will transform the backline
20. Vermaak will transform the backline
21. Catrakillis will transform the backline

Lol

Players of color need to be given a chance?

Oh I see. What you really mean to say is that despite controlling every aspect of the country the black government has failed to provide sufficient chances for black players so the best solution is to deny deserving white players a chance and place undeserving blacks into positions.

Are you not aware that Schools  have been multiracial since the early 90.s and that millions of black kicks have been given the same chances to play rugby as white kids have? The best schools in the country have plenty of black kids in them who can play rugby if they want.

Take Joburg. Go to KES, Jeppie, St John's, St Stithians, Park Town...On and on and on. Blacks kids have the same opportunities.

You talk like there is some conspiracy to deny blacks in rugby. 

Stop looking for a handout and look around for a moment. The playing field is level. It has been level for decades.

Rather ask you government why the don't invest in rugby at grass roots. Oh that's right...because they don't care.

@ Lurker 

That list is problematic at best. 

Plum Ndabaningi is not even black, I'd bet my house on it. He is just some idiot trying to get a rise out of people here. In other words, he is not a genuine poster. No matter what you post and what the topic, he'll just turn it in to a race thing. I say we all just ignore this fool, he'll get bored quickly enough and leave. Hey Ndabaningi, yiya kukude silima. 

Ndabaningi

Yep Blue, Ndabaningi is just another troll, and not even a very good one.

You're right Pakie, best not to feed the f'wit.

LOL...you guys are fast asleep.

Ndabaningi is Rooiaas trolling under another handle again...tries to disguise himself by doing certain things that old Red Neck wouldn't...LOL...Bahahahahahahahahahaha

Sure Chabal, but it is still pretty mediocre trolling, whoever it is.

Globalist driven agendas dictate that equality of output be enforced, not equality of opportunity. These use the word opportunity as a foot in the door to bypass opportunity and attain the final result. I often hear them opine that white people are privileged. I assert that they are privileged because they come from more stable family backgrounds. Is one to be undermined because they had more responsible parents? That doesn't seem justified to me. Do we really want society to be run by individuals who had no upbringing, with no values? As we see these things take root, we only see problems. It's supposed to bring about harmony, but is actually quite divisive and splinters society. 

And before they whinge about slavery etc, there have been many cultures that have suffered far worse things. The Chinese have had a torrid time from many other nations repeatedly for thousands of years. Look no further than the past hundred years. They have a culture of selflessness and respect, and of personal responsibility not only to themselves but to each other. To work hard, so as not to disgrace the institution. When opportunities arise, they can take them. The Jews too have endured many torments for the past two thousand years. Through it all they had far better family structures than black Africans. Some might say the never endured slavery, I'd point to the many threats of outright extermination. Quite a shame considering that they were always ready to defend the nations they resided in, whether it be Parthia, Scythia (they were a thorn in the sides of Rome and Persia, defeating them many times), or Poland et al. 

This mental state is called learned helplessness. When a group of people are conditioned to be unable to fend for themselves. We are seeing it increase among white people too, but the Black African gravitates far more quickly to it. Why? I don't know why, but it happens. One would think repeated failures across Africa would be a sufficient warning that this isn't going to work. However, one sniff on an opening for an apparently easy gain, and off they go. Perhaps self-pity is the most intoxicating drug of all. 

Blacks kids have the same opportunities.

This can be believed. As the enquiry is going on, things are being exposed.

One guy in this team has not even got through the training system, he came back to rugby by accident.

Whatever, the thing is that SA has not trained one single half decent quota player over the past 25 years and that without the ANC quota policy tale, this would be exposed.

Not one. NH keep pushing one or two quality ones through their youth ranks every year.

SA not one.

The cause does not matter. It is just another factor to push toward the necessary termination of rugby in SA.

Globalist driven agendas

SA is a product of globalist driven agendas.

The IMF, a notorious globalist organization, got their gold stock from SA as they kept mining to export.

SA gold that used to be in SA is now in the coffers of the globalist organization called the IMF.

Ja Trad, so Habana was not half decent? Still trying to kick the nyaope habit I see.