Cheating in 2011 WC

 Hi folks......has anyone got any details of the 2011 WC claim that NZ/NZ refs are being investigated for cheating.

Or is it just rumor mongering?

Pse. if you have any idea where I can read about this rumor it would be greatly appreciated.

Would not be suprised judging by the NZ refs performane in 2011 WC

I have heard no such thing of an official investigation. That said, the World Cup was such a spectacular disaster that it has piled on massive pressure on refs this year.

The only cheating Ive heard about was Mike Tindall in a pub.

But i really wouldnt be surprised if Bryce Shitface was found with a few extra bucks in his luggage.

He was the most blatant, but not the only offender. Most important games had very iffy reffing. The final in particular, it was very uncharacteristic body language and behaviour from Joubert. He literally often turned a blind eye to New Zealand. I have no doubt money was put out to get refs on board, but I would not be surprised if there were threats handed out as well. Who knows, Bryce may have been on the receiving end of such an instance. Sadly we will never know.

 come, come Aristokrat, Joubert did not kick and miss what could have been a RWC winning penalty for France.

Moz can you please post that You Tube clip re the WC final so folk can see the contribution of our own Craig Joubert who is escaping notice in this whole debacle.

Given a fair ref the French would have won comfortably. Anyone could see as well that they were clearly the better side on the day. No wonder the French players complained!!!

A very mediocre ab side was gifted the wc in the biggest farce in rugby history. Thankfully BL and Paddy are now history and one wonders what will still come to light.

BL nz ref of the year - says it all. Bwahahahahahahahhaha

Hakwa you are a decent guy so why defend the indefensible?

 whoever heard of a team losing TWICE in a RWC and then going on to win a RWC! That would be tragic! The Boks and the French want to win a RWC - score tries, not off mistakes from the other team and penalties from the ref but from positive rugby - the Cheatahs are the showing everyone the way!

 Are you okes still whinging about the 2011 RWC? Face it lads, the Bokke werent good enough and nor were the French. Arguing that the thrice losing French side would have won the RWC is the height of self delusion.

BTW, If you guys are serious about investigating rugby conspiracies why not start a little closer to home. The French were blatantly denied a game winning try to Abdel Bennazi (in the 1995 semifinal) by referee Derek Bevan in a nail biting match against the hosts (SA). Derek Beven is the guy who was famously awarded an extravagant gold watch by Louis Luyt who also named him the best ref in the world. Derek didnt even officiate the RWC final but he was the guy who took centre stage and received SA's plaudits and accolades. The poor guy who did ref the final Ed Morrison demured and subsequently slinked off into comparative oblivion.  LOL!

The 95 RWC was always going to be won by SA. The whole tournamnet was a carefully engineered facade meant to deceive the public into believing they were watching a fair tournament. Unfortunately, the disallowed Bnnazi try blew the whistle on the whole SA'n plot and exposed the 95 RWC for the puppeteered farce it became.

 The prevailing powers worked tirelessly to ensure SA were the RWC victors in 95 because of its greater significance as a national unifier.  It was  such an inportant watershed moment in SA's post apartheid narrative that Hollywood memorialised  a sanitised, fictitious version of the 95 RWC in a propaganda-esque blockbuster film. 3 other countries have also  won the RWC but none of them bothered to make a film about it. It was never as important to them as the 95 RWC was/is to SA.

  But come, lets just focus on some ambiguous, unreferenced, unconfirmed, spurious gossip, treat it as gospel, amass a pack of Bokke fanboys and Crunchies for a kangaroo court and condemn a couple NZers as agent provocoteurs, clandestine agents, sabateurs...........................Pffffft! Are you okes for real. Meds running low this week guys? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmSK-IkzK0

 must welcome u to the Forum Nukie as noone else I think  would LOL

nukefreekiwi
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Posts: 2 RE: Cheating in 2011 WC
March 28, 2012, 11:27:25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmSK-IkzK0

It would be nice if you could give us an indication where exactly, in the clip, you, or anybody other than the ref and the players for that matter, can see that a try has in fact been scored. Forget for a moment the heading of the clip, which was chosen by the person who uploaded the clip.

How could it not be a try? Benazzi caught the ball at full bore and ran toward the SA'n tryline unoppossed? There were no 3rd umpire/TMO's s back in those days and the was never any requirent for a ref/touchie to visually see the ball be grounded. Forward tries coming from rolling mauls were almost always automatically awarded a try back in 95 because the benefit  went with the team moving forwar, the dominant side. I cant see how he couldnt have scored that try  can you show me why that try wasnt legitimate?BTW, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Thanks for the welcome Hakwa. No doubt I wont be getting many of those in the near future but I will relish the one you've generously offered.

well said windpomp there was not a shred of evidence that the ball had been grounded propely for a try to be awarded.

Now the oaks from down under want to compare this SINGLE incident to the BL debacle.

Bwahahahahahahaha the mind boggles! Seems though that the IRB are certainly onto the nz refs as two of them got the boot.. Let that be a warning to the other down under muppets! Ou dickinson departed just in time! Hahahahahaha these oaks must be a bit worried as they are very ref dependant!

nukefreekiwi
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Posts: 4 RE: Cheating in 2011 WC
March 28, 2012, 12:11:46

How could it not be a try? Benazzi caught the ball at full bore and ran toward the SA'n tryline unoppossed? There were no 3rd umpire/TMO's s back in those days and the was never any requirent for a ref/touchie to visually see the ball be grounded. Forward tries coming from rolling mauls were almost always automatically awarded a try back in 95 because the benefit  went with the team moving forwar, the dominant side. I cant see how he couldnt have scored that try  can you show me why that try wasnt legitimate?BTW, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

As you have said, there were no TMO's, etc in those days, and the basic rule when refereeing in any sports code is "blow what you see, and not what you think has happened", hence my question: "Can you see any evidence that a try has been scored?".

In the final the Boks had a legitimate try turned down. One not so ambiguous as Benazzi's attempt.

Evidence since when did evidence matters to the oaks from down under. Hahahahahahha very funny one windpomp!

In the 1995, Ruben Krugger was erroneously awarded a tryin the SA/France semi which was thoroughly undeserved. So the ref obviously blew what he hoped had happened (when it suited SA) and comletely ignored the visible evidence. You cant have it both ways. Bennazi has an obvious try disallowed despite pushover tries of his ilk being consistently awarded.

 Krugger scores a dubious and illegal try in front of the ref but the ref awards it anyway. Only the blindest most self deluded Bokke fanboy would dismiss the plethora of evidence pointing toward a SA;n lead conspiracy to steal the 95 RWC. Anyways, dont believe me, listen to Krugger himself. Subtract his illigitimate try and France would have won that game comfortably. with or without Boederbond Bevans awarding bennazzis irrefutable try.

http://www.rugby-talk.com/2010/01/rip-ruben-kruger/?comments=true

Keep up the fairytales lads. It hilarios getting this insight into the fertile imaginings of the rabid Bokke fanboy.

Benazzi had a suspect attempted try disallowed, lets be accurate here. And as I say, the 1995 final saw a legit Bok try disallowed. So much for SA favouratism in the World Cup! Not the farce that was the 2011 World Cup, the only offload that mattered was a sly $onny Bill flick in a shady back-alley to a member of the IRB. Best title money can buy eh? Keep dreaming, keep on whining, whatever suits you. Just please don't break any more of your toys. It's all in vain as the rugby world is finally starting to see your lot for the cheating wenchery that they truly are. Lots of love, derAristokrat x

Welcome Nukefreekiwi,

I was at that match with my husband and have to say I was surprised the match was not called off!! we waited and we waited for women with brushes to SWEEP the water off the ground for I don't know how long. I believe had the game been called off France would have gone thru on points difference( happy for anyone to correct me on this)

I also thought Benazzi had scored the try as did alot of people we were with including ex players and coaching staff of which some were South Africans.

nukefreekiwi
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Posts: 5 RE: Cheating in 2011 WC
March 28, 2012, 14:09:50

In the 1995, Ruben Krugger was erroneously awarded a tryin the SA/France semi which was thoroughly undeserved. So the ref obviously blew what he hoped had happened (when it suited SA) and comletely ignored the visible evidence. You cant have it both ways. Bennazi has an obvious try disallowed despite pushover tries of his ilk being consistently awarded.

 Krugger scores a dubious and illegal try in front of the ref but the ref awards it anyway. Only the blindest most self deluded Bokke fanboy would dismiss the plethora of evidence pointing toward a SA;n lead conspiracy to steal the 95 RWC. Anyways, dont believe me, listen to Krugger himself. Subtract his illigitimate try and France would have won that game comfortably. with or without Boederbond Bevans awarding bennazzis irrefutable try.

http://www.rugby-talk.com/2010/01/rip-ruben-kruger/?comments=true

Keep up the fairytales lads. It hilarios getting this insight into the fertile imaginings of the rabid Bokke fanboy.

You keep on bringing in "evidence" from an era where it was easy, or should I say easier, for a referee to make a mistake. Nowadays, when the ref is unsure, he can go to the TMO. What happens at a club game where there is no TMO available? They still rely on the old way, and yes, I agree that the try by Ruben Kruger should not have been allowed if the ref could not see a clear try being scored, but that has nothing to do with the previous incident that you referred to, or has it?

Does that prove that there was a conspiracy to make sure that SA win? I don't think so. I also will not believe that there was a conspiracy to have the AB's win the 2011 RWC, until it has been proven beyond any doubt. That there were some atrocious reffing performances in the RWC is without any doubt, but I do not believe that an international referee will go out on a pitch and deliberately cheat a team. Not in a RWC final with millions of people watching all over the world. If that does indeed happen, then he surely has to be the most stupid idiot around.

Well...big money will allways atract the wrong crowd like menure attracts flies.Not saying there was,what I am saying is that everything has a price and untill a big scandal makes the headlines we wont ever know.

What I can say is that there were to many bad decisions to be specific. 

 nukefreeislander......I was at that game also. Check your youtube video once more, then once more and yet once again.

Got it yet.

We were slap bang in line with that play and it was NO TRY.

Just want to remind you as well that the Boks beat your NZ team in the 1995 WC final.

Sorry....but regarding meds we don't take any but we can recommend an SA optician on the island that is capable of providing hepl with you know what.

Cheers.

 boys, the war has ended, the ABs are RWC Champions, let's accept it and move on. The prevailing attitude in this article reminds me of Onoda the Japanese Soldier who surrendered 20years too late - here is an excerpt!

In 1974, a college dropout named Norio Suzuki decided to travel to the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore, Burma, Nepal, and perhaps a few other countries on his way. He told his friends that he was going to search for Lt. Onoda, a panda, and the Abominable Snowman.4 Where so many others had failed, Suzuki succeeded. He found Lt. Onoda and tried to convince him that the war was over. Onoda explained that he would only surrender if his commander ordered him to do so.

Suzuki traveled back to Japan and found Onoda's former commander, Major Taniguchi, who had become a bookseller. On March 9, 1974, Suzuki and Taniguchi met Onoda at a preappointed place and Major Taniguchi read the orders that stated all combat activity was to be ceased. Onoda was shocked and, at first, disbelieving. It took some time for the news to sink in.

We really lost the war! How could they have been so sloppy?

Suddenly everything went black. A storm raged inside me. I felt like a fool for having been so tense and cautious on the way here. Worse than that, what had I been doing for all these years?

Gradually the storm subsided, and for the first time I really understood: my thirty years as a guerrilla fighter for the Japanese army were abruptly finished. This was the end.

I pulled back the bolt on my rifle and unloaded the bullets. . . .

I eased off the pack that I always carried with me and laid the gun on top of it. Would I really have no more use for this rifle that I had polished and cared for like a baby all these years? Or Kozuka's rifle, which I had hidden in a crevice in the rocks? Had the war really ended thirty years ago? If it had, what had Shimada and Kozuka died for? If what was happening was true, wouldn't it have been better if I had died with them?5

When Onoda reached Japan, he was hailed a hero. Life in Japan was much different than when he had left it in 1944. Onoda bought a ranch and moved to Brazil. In May 1996, he returned to the Philippines to see once again the island on which he had hidden for 30 years.

The All Blacks and IRB have severely damaged the game's image. By creating a system that the All Blacks alone can disregard we have the complete opposite of what a sport is. It's disgusting and biased. I predicted as much in 2010's first TNs game; by that time the blueprint was set and anybody who questioned it ws hauled over the coals.

 it was good to see the great minds of Aristocrat and Nukie finally meet - (albeit with their own colourful personal perceptions on any topic which makes it even more interesting and insightful and eye opening), however the constant whinging about BL and conspiracies is making the Aussie and the Poms look like Saints as they have moved on IMO!

Pray share about the Blueprint Aristokrat!

Good job . You guys want to dwell on the past. We can find heaps of skeletons in your cupboard. Right royal backfire there King Arthur.

@ NukeFree

.WE ALL KNOW that NZ had to make Bryce their Ref of the year in order to Justify their World Cup win.  The All Black are NOT world champs on Merit.

 As for the Boks not being good enough, they would have beaten NZ in the final.

I can also tell you that their is a documentary coming out being produced  by an independant Aussie Film Company on the whole world cup/match fixing bullshit and appearantly some whisteblowers has come forward revealing some shocking stuff that will make the IRB SHIT their pants.

The All Blacks were helped across the line and according some sources, they HAD to win no matter what...decided by CERTAIN members of the IRB AND NZ RUGBY UNION even before the world cup.... ALOT of money has been changing hands behind the scenes and High Profile members of the IRB and NZRU are on the line once this gets revealed.I FEEL ANOTHER HANSIE SAGA COMING ON.....ABOUT TIME....CHEATING BASTARDS.

Getting Rid of Bryce and Paddy now is moves to try and justify all the anger surrounding this subject....too late I'm affraid..and investigation will be forced by this program coming out..!!!!

International Rugby Board referees boss Paddy O’Brien has stepped down with immediate effect and New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence has been dropped from the international panel as rugby’s controlling body announced its changes for the June test window.

O’Brien will move to become High Performance Manager for the Sevens series, ostensibly to “get referees ready for the Olympics” but both moves are a throwback to the unhappiness of the handling of referees at the Rugby World Cup.

Lawrence, who was unbelievably named New Zealand’s referee of the year, has been in freefall since taking charge of the Rugby World Cup quarterfinal between the Springboks and Wallabies, a game where he allowed the Wallabies the freedom of the park as they won despite having little possession.

Lawrence was widely criticised for his handling of the game, which bundled the Springboks out of the World Cup and was subsequently not given any Six Nations games at the beginning of 2012, with Sanzar refereeing boss Lyndon Bray admitting he needed to be “rehabilitated” following the performance.

O’Brien heavily defended Lawrence after the performance, and has been seen in the past to be lax on accountability in refereeing circles. His contribution to refereeing was, however, praised by IRB President Bernard Lapasette.

“O’Brien will now focus his extensive experience into a similar role for Rugby Sevens, underlining the IRB’s commitment to Sevens ahead of Rugby making its return to the Olympic Games at Rio de Janeiro in 2016. He remains central to the match official process and is supportive of the restructure,” the IRB Statement said.

IRB Chairman Bernard Lapasset said: “Paddy’s exceptional dedication and application to driving forward elite match official standards has significantly benefitted the Game over the past seven years. He will be a tough act to follow as a Referee Manager and I am delighted that he will be channelling all his experience into preparing the best up-and-coming match officials on the HSBC Sevens World Series to ensure that the very best referees are in peak form for 2016.”

Also off the IRB panel is the world’s most experienced referee Jonathan Kaplan.

The IRB refereeing forum also committed itself to allowing the best referees to be selected on form to “officiate in the biggest matches in the run up to Rugby World Cup 2015.”

“The committee, which includes former elite referees Lyndon Bray, Tappe Henning (both Sanzar), Donal Courtney and Clayton Thomas (both Six Nations), will now meet four times per year and make selections for the next international window with all performances reviewed as part of the next round of international selections,” the statement read.

“Following a thorough review of performances during the recently conclude Six Nations, the selection committee's commitment to promoting consistency has been reflected in the latest selections with nine elite referees appointed to the top matches in what is a busy June international window that also sees the beginning of the schedule involving tours to Tier 2 Unions.”

Acting chairman of the selection committee and IRB Council member for Scotland John Jeffrey said: “The IRB is committed to ensuring that the platform is in place to promote the very best refereeing standards at the elite level of the Game. Our priority is the continued promotion of consistency and performance and our strategic goal is to deliver the best available panel for Rugby World Cup 2015 while at the same time applying the best-for-best principle in the selection of referees for each international window.”

“There will be consistent movement in and out of the panel based on form to reward the top performers and those making the step up as we build towards RWC 2015 in England. In short, this means that referees are selected on merit, in form and closer to the matches being played. All Member Unions are committed to this process, which is essential for its success.”

Underscoring its commitment to ensuring selection on form, there will now be four selection meetings per year to tie in with the four international windows. At each meeting, the referee panel for the next international window will be reviewed and named.

The committee agreed that the key areas of the Game identified for particular focus by referees needed constant reviewing. Those five key areas are:

• All aspects of the tackle with particular emphasis to be placed on the tackler releasing the tackled player and rolling away and arriving players staying on their feet

• Offside at the breakdown

• Offside from kicks

• All aspects of the scrum, particularly the engagement process and front-row binding

• All aspects of the maul, particularly what constitutes legal maul defence

The IRB Elite refereeing panel is: George Clancy (Ireland), Jérôme Garcès (France), Craig Joubert (South Africa), Nigel Owens (Wales), Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Chris Pollock (New Zealand), Romain Poite (France), Alain Rolland (Ireland) and Steve Walsh (Australia).

I always knew one day nz would overplay their hand and the wc temptation provided the spur. They are now being exposed for what they have been for along time - rugby cheats.

Closure will come should that Aussie film company expose them fully and there are repercussions. The vital point is the years of nz and also oz crookery must be ended. Action must be taken against the declared "get the yapie" brigade.

The game has to be cleaned up. It appears the IRB have recognised the problem after no doubt a lot of behind the scenes activity.They have sent nz a clear message to clean up their act by firing the nz ref of the year and their star turn paddy.

My advice to nz rugby is to clean up your act before you name is entirely ruined. It might already be too late if that aussie film firm has real evidence.

Any idea that match fixing just couldn't happen in rugby is absurd and those pretending that this is the case should remove their heads from the sand and stop being so incredibly naive!  windpomp - how many times have crooked refs got away with it scot free. Given a wc is at stake why would a crooked ref earning big bucks from a crooked source not chance his luck.Why is this so impossible.?

I cannot believe a senior ref like BL who has reffed countless games can simply fall apart like this and then go on to be honoured by the NZRU!!!  How gullible can you get.

Clearly the IRB has some evidence of, at the very least, gross incompetence, and hence the removals (again making a mockery of the nz ref of the year award) I think that  unless there is outside exposure of what happened the IRB will not publish the details unless they can be forced to do so. The aussie company looks to be our best hope of having this scandal exposed.

 Let the truth be established  for the sake of the game in the longer term.

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Beeno1, before you have a heart attack, just accept the fact that the ABs are RWC Champions and all the negative myth surrounding them is gone - the myth that they peak between RWCs, the myth that they are Chokers, etc.

I wonder what would have happened if NZ had accused SA of bribing Barnes in 2007 to throw the games against France so that the Boks did not have to play the ABs in the finals - no we did not, our Coach laid praised the French and took the blame, the Captain was man enough not to blame the ref but took the blame squarely on his shoulders! Noone in NZ called Barnes to harrass him or send him death threats! Yet here we are in 2012..........BL the perfect foil for some who don't want to take a long hard look at their own RWC Coaching Team and their elderly players - You have to ask why?? Why play a running game in 80minutes of a RWC Quarter Finals when you have not been doing the kick and chase for the last 4years? Why have the Coaching Team escaped unscathed by the fallout? Why have the players escaped unscathed? Who was the Captain that decided not to do a drop goal in the last 5minutes of the match  infront of the post?

Why stop with an Australian Film Firm, why not Hollywood?

Hakwa there are none so blind as those who will no tsee.

The facts are plain.Paddy and BL hav ebeen given the boot. Next on the agenda is that aussie companies report. They of course had better get their facts straight lest they be sued. I await their expose with keen interest.

Don' t liken the missing of a single forward pass to what the Boks endured with BL.

John Smit said he was glad to retire from international rugby as it meant he would not have to play under a ref like BL again. We understand John and hope there is some solace in the oak getting the boot. Not much but some.

 "Don' t liken the missing of a single forward pass to what the Boks endured with BL" ?? You mean where BL lifted Samo's legs, got pinged by the touchie for O'Connor to score the match winning penalty?

"They of course had better get their facts straight lest they be sued" seems you're already doubting the verdict! Next, you'll be saying the NZRU representing a country of only 4million people have God-like powers.

There is a difference between making one bad call and making very many bad calls. BL made very many bad calls. Indeed far beyond what any competent ref could ever make.

End of story.

Lets wait now to see what else emmerges. Quite possibly the Aussie firm is going to unleash a bombshell - let's see what happens

Gid riddance though to paddy and bl! About time!

 BL may have made alot of bad calls but alot of it was in the Boks favour!